ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
what a cheap and unsatisfying scene that was.
I wanna see if that scene gets into the show...... and how HBO will handle it. I imagine lots of slurping, squelching and slopping noises.
what a cheap and unsatisfying scene that was.
So the general consensus is that Jon wargs into Ghost for a bit while Melisandre heals his body?
I hope GRRM is ready to start on that back like Jan 3rd. You had a long enough break fat man!
So the general consensus is that Jon wargs into Ghost for a bit while Melisandre heals his body?
I hope GRRM is ready to start on that back like Jan 3rd. You had a long enough break fat man!
what fucking idiot told GRRM that it would be a good idea to write parallel books rather than just split the complete book in half. Seriously, if that WAS GRRM's idea then his publisher should have slapped him and told him he was an idiot.
He has to juggle like 20 POVs, I wouldn't expect the next book to be simple or easy to write. It might not take 6 years, but I doubt it will take much less than 4. Summer 2015 is probably the earliest date possible for it.Also, can we expect a shorter gap between this and TWOW than we've experienced with the last book? I mean all the story lines have come back together.
It was Daniel Abraham's idea.
He has to juggle like 20 POVs, I wouldn't expect the next book to be simple or easy to write. It might not take 6 years, but I doubt it will take less than 4.
So when Brienne is getting hanged by Zombie Cat's outlaws, she screams a word.
Any idea what single word saved her life?
So when Brienne is getting hanged by Zombie Cat's outlaws, she screams a word.
Any idea what single word saved her life?
Well he did get stabbed at least 4 times. I guess it isn't beyond Melisandre's powers to heal him given the president set by Thoros of Myr.
So when Brienne is getting hanged by Zombie Cat's outlaws, she screams a word.
Any idea what single word saved her life?
When did he say that he planned on starting?
Also, can we expect a shorter gap between this and TWOW than we've experienced with the last book? I mean all the story lines have come back together.
Also what fucking idiot told GRRM that it would be a good idea to write parallel books rather than just split the complete book in half. Seriously, if that WAS GRRM's idea then his publisher should have slapped him and told him he was an idiot.
I think his next two books are going to be fairly massive, probably the longest in the series, considering how much ground there is to cover. He may want to consider getting rid of the appendix which explains the lineages of the different houses and is not really necessary for those of us who are going to be reading this far into the series.
Yea, TWOW is going to cover so much shit. Although to be fair we said the same about ADWD and it didn't cover a lot of things we all assumed would be here. But I'm still gonna make a list!
-The Battle For Winterfell (be it the actual battle or the aftermath)
-The Siege of Mereen
-Aegon's conquest: we get a glimpse in the TWOW sample chapter
-Tyrion, Victarian, and Marwyn's journey to Daeny
-Jon's fate/The Wall
-Sansa, Harry The Heir, and Littlefinger's game
-Lannister, Tyrell tension and the return of Cersei
-Davos' journey to find Rickon
-Jaime and Lady Stoneheart
-Margery's trial
-Daeny's journey...wherever
etc etc etc. Lots of stuff
Hoping for 2014, probably coming late 2015. Everything points to TWOW being the most eventful book in the series. Hopefully that translates to George writing faster, rather than having to figure out what the hell to do.
GRRM did a TWOW reading back in September (spoilers obviously):
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/57570-twow-spoilers-arianne-ii-part-2/
GURM said:BOOK FOUR WILL BE PUBLISHED IN FALL, 2002. WATCH THIS SPACE FOR MORE DETAILS. ~August 2001
GURM said:Book four is now titled A FEAST FOR CROWS. I am still writing it. I don't know when it will be out, and neither does anyone else. Please stop emailing me to ask. The very minute the book is done and delivered, I will announce it here.
A DANCE WITH DRAGONS will be volume five. I won't start worrying about that one in earnest until the crows have feasted.
I am sorry for the delay, and I thank all my readers for their patience. ~August 2002
GURM said:YES, I'M STILL WORKING ON IT. HONEST.
I used to get a lot of email asking me when A FEAST FOR CROWS would be published, so I put a message up here. "SORRY, STILL NOT DONE YET." That one. So now I get a lot of emails asking me when I am going to update the message on my website, since it's been unchanged for months.
It's been unchanged because... well, nothing's changed.
A FEAST FOR CROWS is still not done. I continue to work on it, and I'm making steady progress, but more slowly than anyone would like. Various websites and bookshops have announced various publication dates, but until the book is actually finished and delivered, they are all pure guesswork.
As I have said here before, I am writing as fast as I can, but my first priority is still to make the novel as good as it can possibly be. The moment the book is done I will announce it here. The instant. The second. So if you visit this website, and this notice is still in place, it means I'm still writing.
A number of my readers have suggested that I update this page more often, and include reports on my progress. Not an unreasonable request, but of course the more time I spend writing progress reports, the less time I have to actually work on the book. So I won't make any promises in that regard.
Yesterday I finished another chapter, the thirty-second (though I do move these chapters around from time to time, so it probably won't be the thirty-second when FEAST is finally published). It's an Alayne chapter, and with it in place, I now have 738 manuscript pages in something very close to final draft form. I also have four or five additional chapters, roughly another 100 pages, that are close to completion, and then maybe another 100 to 200 pages of fragmentary chapters, scenes, lines, and notes, some of which will wind up in FEAST, some of which may be pushed into the next volume, of some of which will likely be scrapped. So that's where I am right now.
No, I can't tell you when A FEAST FOR CROWS will be finished, or when it will be published. Not yet. When I know, I'll tell you.
Meanwhile, I am putting up a sample chapter. I hope that it will help a little with the wait. You can read it here. Enjoy.
I thank you once again for your patience.
--George R.R. Martin, October 23, 2003
GURM said:YES, I'M STILL WORKING ON IT. HONEST.
Well, 2003 has come to an end... but sad to say, A FEAST FOR CROWS hasn't.
I'm getting closer, though, page by bloody page. Yesterday I finished another chapter, the forty-first (though I do move these chapters around as I write, so it probably won't be the forty-first when FEAST is finally published). It's a Davos chapter, his second in the volume.
I now have 911 manuscript pages in something very close to final draft form. I also have about eight additional chapters in fragmentary form, a couple of them fairly close to completion. But there's more that will be needed after that. I don't believe in saying, "Okay, I've got X number of pages, that's enough, I'll end the book." Each volume is a part of the overall story, but also needs its own beginning, middle, climax, and end to make for a satisfying read. As I have said here before, I am writing as fast as I can, but my first priority is to make the novel as good as it be.
The moment the book is done I will announce it here. The instant. The second. So if you visit this website, and this notice is still in place, it means I'm still writing. Various websites and bookshops have announced various publication dates, but until the book is actually finished and delivered, they are all pure guesswork.
No one really knows when A FEAST FOR CROWS will be finished, or when it will be published. Especially not me. When I do, know, I'll tell you here. For now, though, the only answer must remain, "As soon as possible."
Once again, I'd like to thank all my readers for their patience and support.
--George R.R. Martin, January 4, 2004
I said that I hoped to have the book done by the end of the year. Famous last words. No, it's not done, though I am getting closer. I have more than thirteen hundred pages in final draft form and another hundred or so in roughs or fragments, but there are still some chapters yet to write. I'm telling myself that I'm on the home stretch. As soon as FEAST as done, I will announce it here.
George R.R. Martin, January 17, 2005
There's a TWOW sample chapter?
Pretty good chapter.Looks like Bran's gonna be a major force now.
Why willI must have missed something.Bran be a major force?
edit: Wait a minute I think I may understand now. Still I would like it if someone could explain it so I can see if my guess is correct.
Nice chapter.Karstark's treachery being discovered and the probable impending Manderly attack on the Freys makes it even more likely that Ramsey's letter to Jon was complete BS. Fake Arya being sent to the Wall is pretty interesting, especially if Jon is still "dead" at the time. It seems like Bran is going to save Theon, I wonder what direction Theon's story is heading now.
That chapter was pretty awesome. Hmmm
-Surely this chapter supports the theory that Ramsay's letter was fake. It seems likely that the Manderly forces will kill off the Freys as a sign of fealty to Stannis. Perhaps they'll bring back Stannis' sword as proof that he has been defeated. Perhaps the Manderlys will return to Winterfell with Stannis' men posing as members of their army; that would be a pretty badass way to siege the castle without breaking the walls.
-Sounds like Bran might try to save Theon?
-Some of the best Stannis moments are here. I won't how he plans on dealing with Ramsay's much larger army
-The knight and Poole/Fake Arya will reach the Wall after Jon's death, so no one will be able to recognize her as a fraud.
Regarding your last line.
If ghost is still there he won't take to Poole very friendly, at least not what everyone there would have expected. If it was Arya, then ghost would be friendly towards her and vice-versa. Just a theory.
edit - why all the spoilers? I thought this was an "anything goes" thread.
That chapter was pretty awesome. Hmmm
-Surely this chapter supports the theory that Ramsay's letter was fake. It seems likely that the Manderly forces will kill off the Freys as a sign of fealty to Stannis. Perhaps they'll bring back Stannis' sword as proof that he has been defeated.
Old and all that, but I still wish Mr. Martin had said fuck it and just done the timeskip, picking up where shit starts going down.
Bakker took a twenty year timeskip and it worked out fabulously well. Turns out you can fill in the blanks perfectly well without dedicating 2000 pages to it. And Bakker's not the most subtle writer out there. Worst thing is that after AFFC/DWD the story hasn't advanced all that much - the pieces are still left poised and waiting.
e: also GRRM's site looks straight outta 1999, someone needs to lend a hand and clean it up a little.
I know when I started working on The Judging Eye, I found myself inventing a whole series of new viewpoint characters. I didn’t realize what I was doing until I started reading A Feast for Crows, at which point I scrubbed them all save one. I told myself I was adding these new viewpoint characters for the reader’s sake, when in actual fact I was doing it for my own - I mean, multiply the time you’ve spent with The Prince of Nothing by a thousand, and you’ll have a rough ballpark sense of how much time I’ve spent with my cast. The urge to "freshen things up" is almost irresistible, as is the attendant assumption that you’re doing it as much for your readers as for yourself. But when you already have a complicated narrative on the go, you really do risk drifting across that fateful line where your story starts to decohere. Whether or not this was what happened with Martin’s last book, I’m not sure - all I know is that it threw what I was doing into perspective, and led me to take an entirely different tack. It took me a while, but I eventually fell back in love with the old fogies.
I actually scrapped my initial attempt at writing The Judging Eye because I realized I was creating characters simply because I was burned out on my original cast. Everyone rationalizes the path of least resistence, but I sometimes think that writers are particularly gifted in this regard.
Yea, TWOW is going to cover so much shit. Although to be fair we said the same about ADWD and it didn't cover a lot of things we all assumed would be here. But I'm still gonna make a list!
-The Battle For Winterfell (be it the actual battle or the aftermath)
-The Siege of Mereen
-Aegon's conquest: we get a glimpse in the TWOW sample chapter
-Tyrion, Victarian, and Marwyn's journey to Daeny
-Jon's fate/The Wall
-Sansa, Harry The Heir, and Littlefinger's game
-Lannister, Tyrell tension and the return of Cersei
-Davos' journey to find Rickon
-Jaime and Lady Stoneheart
-Margery's trial
-Daeny's journey...wherever
etc etc etc. Lots of stuff