bengraven
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Mind fucking blown. I thought I was keeping up to date on every little bit he was releasing, but apparently I was lax. Going to Westeros right now.
I lived for those chapter summaries when Dance was still a year away.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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Mind fucking blown. I thought I was keeping up to date on every little bit he was releasing, but apparently I was lax. Going to Westeros right now.
I lived for those chapter summaries when Dance was still a year away.
PhoenixDark
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It's an Arrianne chapter. Doran sends her with some younger cousins to treat with Aegon quietly. I forgot where they go first, but some Golden Company folks tell her Aegon has taken Storm's Landing, and they can escort her to him.
Considering how long Storm's End had been held in the past, many people assume Connington must have used some type of ruse to enter the gates
Considering how long Storm's End had been held in the past, many people assume Connington must have used some type of ruse to enter the gates
IAmtheFMan
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Funnily enough, the image that sticks with me after my recent re-read of ASoS is this moment:
Such a beautifully described moment. I hope they nail it in the show.
bengraven
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Oh, the "landing" tripped me up. Yeah, he took Storm's End in Dance already.
Still need to find that chapter.
Funnily enough, the image that sticks with me after my recent re-read of ASoS is this moment:
Such a beautifully described moment. I hope they nail it in the show.
The 2 saddest moments in ASOS for me were: Arya screaming for her mother outside the Twins and Sansa building that snowcastle knowing that Winterfell and most of the Starks are gone
Of course Littlefinger pedo-ed it up afterwards. Fuck that guy.
The 2 saddest moments in ASOS for me were: Arya screaming for her mother outside the Twins and Sansa building that snowcastle knowing that Winterfell and most of the Starks are gone
Of course Littlefinger pedo-ed it up afterwards. Fuck that guy.
fo sho
I loved that Sansa moment, I wish the book had ended with her building Snow-Winterfell, completely alone in the night. It would've been sad as fuck.
Steelyuhas
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Funnily enough, the image that sticks with me after my recent re-read of ASoS is this moment:
Such a beautifully described moment. I hope they nail it in the show.
That is one of my favorite scenes in the entire series.
Sho_Nuff82
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Wait where is all this? All I've read was [WoW spoiler]
Theon's
Basileus777
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bengraven
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Fucking MIND BLOWN.
Was on the Wiki entry on Marwyn:
There's also hints that the maesters poisoned the dragons because they're trying to do away with magic and make the world one based on science and reason (good luck fixing the seasons then assholes).
So if Marwyn shows up and may be up to no good and then Dany remembers that he once taught Maz...
We haven't got a decent recording yet, but the summaries are up at Westeros.org. Bas linked them right above your post.
Was on the Wiki entry on Marwyn:
There's also hints that the maesters poisoned the dragons because they're trying to do away with magic and make the world one based on science and reason (good luck fixing the seasons then assholes).
So if Marwyn shows up and may be up to no good and then Dany remembers that he once taught Maz...
We haven't got a decent recording yet, but the summaries are up at Westeros.org. Bas linked them right above your post.
Basileus777
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It's from a reading at a convention, you aren't going to get the whole chapter anywhere.
bengraven
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In fairness, we were supposed to get a livestream of him reading one or both of Victarion and Tyrion's chapters. So there's gotta be a recording of it somewhere.
The Arianne chapter, no, because apparently George was adamant that no one record it, so we'll have to do with a summary.
PhoenixDark
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Yea, I have a feeling Dany won't take too kindly to Marwyn when he shows up lol
Basileus777
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Eyes? Don't you mean his magnificent blue beard?
bengraven
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I have a feeling that after living off the land for a few days, fighting off rapist Dothrakis and taming her gigantic dragon that the Dani we see return to Mereen is going to be a much much different, much better Dani. The Dani we've basically had hinted at.
One who comes with fire and blood.
And let's also be clear of one thing - don't fuck with her:
She's on her period.
One who comes with fire and blood.
And let's also be clear of one thing - don't fuck with her:
She's on her period.
Basileus777
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Diarrhea Dany is going to terrorize the world. It is known.
bengraven
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Westeros has some awesome posters with psycho, but really great theories.
For example, Bittersteel, the founder of the Gold Company, really wanted to put a Blackfyre Targ on the throne. So there's a theory that Aegon is in fact "fake" but only because he's from the bastard line, not the true line. He's not THAT Aegon, but instead his distant cousin from the black sheep family.
Another: Bloodraven at one point had a dragon's egg according to The Mystery Knight short story.
There's some Winds chapter spoilers, so I won't get into them, but needless to say, they have a good way of hatching a dragon egg with Bran's help. Edit: (WINDS spoiler)
So maybe this is the dragon that's said to have risen over Winterfell in that prophecy?
Oh shit, and what if Bran warged into it?!?!?
For example, Bittersteel, the founder of the Gold Company, really wanted to put a Blackfyre Targ on the throne. So there's a theory that Aegon is in fact "fake" but only because he's from the bastard line, not the true line. He's not THAT Aegon, but instead his distant cousin from the black sheep family.
Another: Bloodraven at one point had a dragon's egg according to The Mystery Knight short story.
There's some Winds chapter spoilers, so I won't get into them, but needless to say, they have a good way of hatching a dragon egg with Bran's help. Edit: (WINDS spoiler)
Stannis is at Winterfell. Bran has "spoken" to Theon from the heart tree. Asha wants Theon to go to the heart tree? apparently. Stannis wants to burn Theon. And to be honest, this is my theory, but he will probably want to burn the heart tree, too, since it's not "his" gods. So maybe burning Theon will be hot enough to crack open a dragon egg? And maybe Bloodraven's egg is at Winterfell, since the next Dunk and Egg short story will be in the north and will be apparently important to Winds. If not, another thing I just forgot until now is that Egg mentions that there are dragon's eggs on Dragonstone...maybe Stannis had one with him.
So maybe this is the dragon that's said to have risen over Winterfell in that prophecy?
Oh shit, and what if Bran warged into it?!?!?
Basileus777
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Bloodraven retrieved the egg in the Dunk and Egg story, but I'm not sure how that makes Drogon "his." He had nothing to do with hatching it. And all his magical powers seem related to the Children of the Forest and the Weirwoods, not dragons.
bengraven
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Just wild, random theories going about. I'm just having fun reading and theorizing.
For the record, the discussion I was reading was this: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/54421-adwd-mk-spoilers-where-are-the-dragon-eggs/
Another good theory is that the three eggs were the girls' who were locked in the Maidenvault so that Baelor the Blessed, their brother, didn't fuck them.
Each Targ in those days was given an egg in their nursery. I can see that if Varys is protecting the Targaryan line, he might have gotten those eggs, and passed them to Illyrio to give to Dany.
PhoenixDark
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I believe Varys is a Blackfyre as well. It's just too weird that a Targ loyalist would contribute to Aerys' paranoia over Rhaegar, ultimately leading to the destruction of the entire Targ house/kingdom....only to scheme to put Rhaegar's son on the throne 17 years later.
Basileus777
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It might explain Varys' actions. The idea that he "serves the realm" is laughable after all he's done.
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Dany's not really important. Her son who will be a horse that has sex with the earth is the really big figure.
Basileus777
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I thought something similar before ADWD. Then Aegon appeared, and almost every common fan theory turned out to be true.
Most of it comes from Westeros.org I think.
PhoenixDark
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The weird thing about Varys/Aegon is still his conversation with Illyrio in King's Landing. If he was planning on revealing a Blackfyre all along, while plan to have Viserys bring Drogo's khalasar to Westeros as if that was the main plan? It makes it seem as if Aegon is a new addition to the plot, which we know to be false considering he's prophesied in ACOK/House Of The Undying. Still, it's weird. Perhaps the plan was for Viserys and Dany to bring the Khalasar to Aegon; the dragon has three heads after all.
Aegon could very well have been Varys' backup plan. It wouldn't have been hard to con Connington into taking care of him and then just abandon the whole group if the original Viserys plan went though.
When Viserys hosed up, that was when the Aegon plan went from plan B to plan A.
When Viserys hosed up, that was when the Aegon plan went from plan B to plan A.
Basileus777
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Despite his insanity, Viserys was in a way more useful because his legitimacy isn't really in doubt. Aegon only really has a chance because of how fucked up Westeros is and how many other contenders have died.
Basileus777
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I don't think we have anything other than speculation on this.
The Red Viper was pretty dope though.
Steelyuhas
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When the Night's Watch is attacked by the White Walkers on the Fist of the First Men, doesn't someone make mention of "Craster's Sons" are coming or something to that effect?
I guess that wouldn't really answer if they were Others or Wights though. So I dunno.
PhoenixDark
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Dunno. But it certainly is another sign that the Others are somewhat complex. They seem capable of emotion (they laugh while they kill Royce) and seem to have agreed to some pact with Craster - perhaps with any human who offers sacrifices. Who knows what they do with the sacrifices though.
I wonder who will give us more insight into them? Perhaps Sam in the Citadel? Or maybe Benjen Stark has been traveling deep into their territory, scouting stuff (seems like of ridiculous he could survive in the wild so long though)
Basileus777
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This is probably where Blood Raven and exposition device Bran come into play.
Everything so far implies that the Others are as sentient as any regular human being. If you wanna make sense of their nature, just imagine they hibernate in the north pole, frozen in ice. When there's a long summer, enough ice melts in the north to free them, and they are able to march far south thanks to the following long winter.
The stangest thing to me is how many people think Jon will take the throne. Lets assume he is the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, so what? He still has his vows and has to spend the last two books saving the Wall. Even if he does beat the Others and manages to survive this whole ordeal will there be enough time in the seventh book for him to make a claim for the throne? He has no army and no proof of who he is, why would anyone care?
Basileus777
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5 books in and we know nothing about the Others. It will be interesting to see if GRRM can actually manage to make them compelling villains in the "two" remaining books.
Steelyuhas
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Bejen's story has to be something significant. It would be pretty weak if he's been missing this long and there is no significance to what happened to him.
Well if he technically 'dies', wouldn't that fulfill his vows with the Night's Watch? I'm guessing that his time serving the Night's Watch is over.
Basileus777
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Why must there be significance? He was a mid-tier character that disappear/died in book 1, there are plenty of those already in the books. Benjen might end up being important, but there's nothing in the story that requires it. If he just died out ranging that would be fine. His only real importance in this story was as a mentor to Jon.
If he is dead I would like it if they explained his death somehow. At first I thought Coldhands might be Benjen, but he clearly isn't.
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