The most you'll see is Belwas vs. Knight and maybe the sewer crawl. They can't afford anything else.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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The most you'll see is Belwas vs. Knight and maybe the sewer crawl. They can't afford anything else.
John Dunbar
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To be fair, it's not like those were depicted in any detail in the books either.
But yeah, I'm really curious just how much they'll cut from the Slaver's Bay scenes. Way too expensive to do it any justice, so it'd just look cheap.
John Dunbar
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I find the show has a serious lack of manhoods glistening wet and blue beards. And golden teeth, but that goes without saying.
Lactose_Intolerant
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I think they can easily do her getting her army and killing the slave masters. The going through the cities and killing people will be hard. You can do large groups of people with cg/multiple takes of groups of people.
bodyofanamerican
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John Dunbar
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I got the impression that the Others were beautiful, in an ethereal sort of way. Especially from the story about the Night's King marrying what was supposedly an Other.
But had they made them beautiful on the show they would have looked too much like albino elves, so it's a good change.
But had they made them beautiful on the show they would have looked too much like albino elves, so it's a good change.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Yeah I'm hyped as shit for Belwas.
theignoramus
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Im betting the writers off Joffrey next season, after the Red Wedding to give viewers some kind of emotional satisfaction. You cant end the season on a note as ugly as the Red Wedding. If they're smart, they'll end it with Lady Stoneheart on a path of vengeance and Joff good and dead.
HBO will not let the Red Wedding happen, it will alienate too many viewers.
theignoramus
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I dont see how beheading Sean Bean was somehow less alienating. The Red Wedding is something they cant fuck with, so many story elements branch from that. It's a pivotal event.
Well, considering the RW is what inspired the show creators to make the show in the first place, I doubt that. They're itching to film it.
And HBO has a history of non-interference with its shows. They aren't like, say, NBC(/Sony), who fires showrunners off of niche comedies.
Mickdundee96
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Yeah, I think that he's played his part really well.
Yesterday when he was with Maester Luwin and the horn was pissing him off made me lol
This doesn't even make sense... it's a vital part of the story and they're already telegraphing it.
snow? looked like ash from the dragonfire to me.
Whaaat. There's no way they wouldn't put it in.
I can already taste the tears.
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I thought it was snow, because the throne looked covered in a bit frost imo.
dead souls
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Have you ever watched HBO before? The Red Wedding is no problem for them.
theignoramus
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I dont think GRRM would be on board this show if he felt they would neuter his story so as to not "alienate viewers"
Dabookerman
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Bets on who think they'll end the episode with Catelyn scratching her face off then having her throat slit?
That would be probably one of the most visually shocking ends to an episode ever possibly.
That would be probably one of the most visually shocking ends to an episode ever possibly.
David Incorporated Esq.
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That scene had the feeling of a really well done scene from a stage play. Nothing going on but the two of them talking with some crew-member blowing a horn behind the curtains. I really, really loved that scene.
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Better: Not my hair, Ned loves my hair.
Tears forever
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The mantra for 5 books has been "return to Westeros and fuck shit up" and after 5 books she's still not there.
I think they'll totally do the Red Wedding. What I think they'll bitch out on is Shae's brutal turn against Tyrion followed by her banging Tywin.
They might also back off on killing Catelyn Stark and rather just make her insane or something.
But if HBO sacks up and delivers the full ASOS experience then people will be talking about that season (or seasons) for a loooong time.
Pollux
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Who the fuck doesn't like day-dreaming about men with forked purple beards and gold teeth?
Ah, the children of Summer.
I would be soooo pissed if they did this. Especially after how "sweet" she was to Tyrion in the finale. That woman has ice water in her veins.
I had hoped that they would end it with Rob(with Greywinds head) sitting at the table with countless bodies surrounding him.
This image captures the kind of darkness I wish the episode will end with:
Also, does anyone else think that they will kill Talisa(sp?) too in the show? They have no reason to spare her as far as I can see, unless the "Jeyne got pregnant and escaped from Riverrun with the Blackfish" theory turns out to be true.
Forgotten_Taco
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If we don't get a POV chapter from Greywater watch in the next book I'm going to pissed. I want to know who Robb named as successor and want to see Howland Reed, and find out what he knows about the Tower of Joy.
Basileus777
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There is an Alfie Allen interview where he said Grrm told him Jon's parents and called it a Luke Skywalker situation. I love how the TV show has basically confirmed r+l equals J.
http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/game-of-thrones-theon-alfie-allen-interview.html?imw=Y
http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/game-of-thrones-theon-alfie-allen-interview.html?imw=Y
Maybe it's Mance Rayder.
bodyofanamerican
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That was my thought, but then why would he bring up Targaryens?
If it is a LS situation, then how is r+l equals J confirmed? I honestly don't understand. Or, they are referencing the hiding the newborns part and not the I am your father part?
Chuckie
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I had hoped that they would end it with Rob(with Greywinds head) sitting at the table with countless bodies surrounding him.
This image captures the kind of darkness I wish the episode will end with:
Although I like that picture it is not what I imagine. This man is bound, but he is supposed to hold a lambs leg as a scepter. I am also missing a crown.
And weren't the wolves eyes following Dany? Or am I imagining shit?
Edit; Oh wait you are talking about the RW... I thought House of the Undying.
Hiding newborns with family while the real father is an 'evil' Targaryen. At least I think that is what he meant.
theignoramus
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Im almost finished Dance. Holy shit, Cersei's walk of shame is just about the best thing Ive read so far.
lol.
I think it's more likely than Lena Headey doing the naked walk of shame.
Emerson
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Yeah, but that's not saying much.
The non book readers I know are already confused as fuck why she was in qarth the whole season and wonder what the point was beyond screaming aabout her dragons.
He already let Catelyn/Robb do their absurdly dumb shit without the grief of Bran/Rickon (the ONLY thing that made releasing jaime/breaking the Frey marriage pact even 1% defensible).
After that and Tyrions battle in season one played for laughs I'm confident HBO could change basically anything if they choose.
Emerson
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Neither of those are even remotely the same as leaving out the Red Wedding would be. Come on now.
PhoenixDark
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The wolf's head isn't even shown in the book, of course it won't be in the show. There might be a mention of it by Joffery though.
Given some of the disappointment I sense from new viewers of S2, I really wonder how they'll handle the RW. Seems like many people are also rather down on Robb compared to S1, but I'm sure they're still ultimately rooting for his cause. Once the RW happens...there aren't many people to root for. I'm going to assume the show will continue to handle Dany poorly, but Jon's arc should get better. Then there's Tyrion, but he gets fucked in ASOS too obviously. I think the show is going to run out of likable characters for people and interest will decline.
Given some of the disappointment I sense from new viewers of S2, I really wonder how they'll handle the RW. Seems like many people are also rather down on Robb compared to S1, but I'm sure they're still ultimately rooting for his cause. Once the RW happens...there aren't many people to root for. I'm going to assume the show will continue to handle Dany poorly, but Jon's arc should get better. Then there's Tyrion, but he gets fucked in ASOS too obviously. I think the show is going to run out of likable characters for people and interest will decline.
I think it turns Robb/cat from characters who did dumb things out of grief for their family to simply two dumbasses who deserve to get fucked over (not as bad as they will though.)
Honestly without doing something absurd like making Robb survive the red wedding, or make Strong Belwas warg into a dragon I'm not sure a change could be much larger. It fundamentally changes the motivations/intelligence levels of two of the biggest characters in the season/series.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Half of the shock factor, for me anyway, with the Red Wedding isn't just the betrayal but just how brutal it is. With the Rains of Castamere and then Cat pleading with Frey for Robb's life and her finally snapping and killing Jinglebell. Thats all bad enough, but then how they desecrate Robb and Cat's bodies takes it to another level.
I don't know that they'd show it...in the books, we never see Robb with Grey Wind's head first hand, do we? Besides the House of the Undying, that is- we just hear about it second hand, right? And then they dump Cat's body into the river, but doesn't Arya warging into Nymeria see it?
I think the show often loses sight of the big picture as to why certain people are doing certain things or where they are. Like Robb's military campaign- I've had many non book reader friends confused where he is or why he hasn't taken Casterly Rock since Tywin is down in King's Landing now.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Yeah, If they actually invest time in Jon and make him less stupid and somewhat capable, as he needs to be, then he'll be the main one to root for with the defense of the Wall and all. Of course then there's the end of ADWD. heh
Prince of Space
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Are you guys watching the same show I am? The one that took that throw-away line from Tyrion in the book about giving Joffrey some whores to calm him down a bit and making a whole scene of it? Cuz I'd bet there's no way they DON'T show this.
It was seen by Dany in the Undying scene
Anyways, such a cruel fate for a 15-16 year old boy... getting his head chopped off and replaced with his beloved Dire Wolf... Sometimes I wonder what the fuck is wrong with Martin.
ASOIAF is based off of the War of the Roses. To a degree, what happened to Robb mimics what happened the the Duke of York (IIRC, which is probably wrong).It was seen by Dany in the Undying scene
Anyways, such a cruel fate for a 15-16 year old boy... getting his head chopped off and replaced with his beloved Dire Wolf... Sometimes I wonder what the fuck is wrong with Martin.
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