BertramCooper
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To me, it implies that spring is so distant that it's merely a dream. Which paints a pretty bleak picture for most everyone in the series, though slightly less so for the Starks.
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To me, it implies that spring is so distant that it's merely a dream. Which paints a pretty bleak picture for most everyone in the series, though slightly less so for the Starks.
Basileus777
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A Dream of Spring fits perfectly with what GRRM has always said, that the ending will be bittersweet.
A Time for Wolves was better though, he should bring that back when he has to extend the series again.
A Time for Wolves was better though, he should bring that back when he has to extend the series again.
Hmm that's another way of looking at it. Makes me feel slightly depressed :/ I wonder how he will tie the threat from the Others to the political games down south.
BertramCooper
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timetokill
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BertramCooper
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He should go with The Lion in Winter.
That would be a really sweet title.
That would be a really sweet title.
Steelyuhas
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That will still be the title of Book 7.
Book 8 will be A Dream of Spring.
Oh you!
Dammit!
toddhunter
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He did but I think he will not really do it.
Books 6 and 7 will just come out in 4 different parts.
I don't even hope for that, I'd just like a couple of meaningful scenes where a couple of the Stark kids are re-united, whatever happens after that doesn't bother me too much, I'd just like a nice scene after everything they've gone through.
You've put a real downer on that title now!!
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Yeah, I loved that title. There was some hope for the Starks. I think he's finally just decided that they're too stupid to live.
Backwards Marathon
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Seriously. I want an all out war between the Others and the realm. Resulting in the need for unification and later a rebuilding of the realm.
I would bet money on Jon's mortal body being an ice cell while he wanders around in Ghost at the start of the book
Basileus777
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The Others are boring. Martin needs to step his game up if he wants them to become the focus of the series.
Pollux
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The Others are only boring because we know little to nothing about them...
Pollux
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Well he's old as shit, and for the first time ever he's actually a celebrity.
Basileus777
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It's not intentional. He's old and writes slower, he had to make major structural changes mid series that set him back most of a decade, and he's become a compulsive rewriter who scraps and rewrites material all the time.
Do you guys think he knows how he wants it to end?
I wish he didn't spend so much time on characters that have not relevance to the main story.
Well I guess main story characters in my mind.
Pollux
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I think he has the broad outline down, and we've been told he's told D&D how he wants the series to end and what should happen to the main characters in case he dies before the show ends, but I don't think he knows how to get there.
Well kudos to him, he certainly has my interest, I am far more excited about the books than I am the show. Which is ironic since I started the show before the books.
Basileus777
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He says he knows the end, but the journey to get there is only known in broad strokes. He's not a heavy outliner, and is discovery writing most of the series, so very little is probably written in stone.
Pollux
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Well the books are better than the show so there's no surprise there. But honestly, at the very least we'll at least see the story end in some fashion which is better than nothing, I guess.
Forsaken82
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Gotta be honest, I don't think GoT is going to get a complete run on HBO. I wo uldn't be surprised to see the show "finish" in season 5 or 6. For this show to do each book justice theyll need at least 8 seasons. How many premium cable serialized TV shows actually last beyond 5 seasons? HBO has True Blood... Showtime has Dexter... what else is there? I just hope that should the ratings begin to fall flat around seasons 5 or 6 and they end the show, they don't "jump" to GRRMs projected ending for a series finale. Hopefully they just end on a happy note from the books... (as difficult as that would be to find
)I don't want to know how it ends before reading the books.
Pollux
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While this is true, GoT's ratings on HBO and their DBD/Blu-Ray sales just keep going up. So we have a pretty decent chance.
Robb is ressurected and regains power, The Wolf in the North!
I agree about the title, I always took it it would be in the worst period of the winter, everyone doomed, spring being nothing more than hope.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
The Sopranos went 6 seasons, and the 6th was divided into two parts, so almost 7 seasons.
As of right now I'd be surprised if it didn't make it to 7 or 8 seasons. GoT's is pretty popular and unless viewership takes a dive and HBO quits making money, it'll probably make it to the end.
Forsaken82
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Gurm gives no fucks about ASoIaF. But if you want to buy some water damaged copies of his favorite series Wild Cards, I'm sure he can find some in his garage.
Pollux
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Well so long as I get my book ending first I don't care what happens
And if you don't get the book ending b/c he dies, then we'll either get someone like Sanderson to finish the series or just have to rely on the show :jnc
Forsaken82
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I would assume it would be one of the Expanse saga writers that takes over since they seem buddy buddy with each other. But still, ive heard mixed things about Sanderson's Wheel of Time stuff, like he fixed some wrongs done with the later books but its still not Jordan in his prime. Not sure how i would feel about him taking over.
Pollux
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Well I didn't mean Sanderson specifically (although I do like him) I just meant we'll get some other author to finish the series up. If we're lucky.
If we're really lucky GRRM will write the damn books himself before he dies.
Basileus777
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Abraham would be the most likely person. But I don't think Martin would have anyone do it.
Pollux
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Any particular reason why not? Or just a hunch?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Well so long as I get my book ending first I don't care what happens
Dear God I hope we see the ending in the books first.
He has to stop with that. Too many characters are returning (Catelyn, The Mountain, The Hound, Jon might). Let the dead be dead.
Basileus777
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I believe that he's pretty much said in the past that if he dies, we're fucked. Then again, he could have a deathbed change of mind like Jordan did, but I don't think it's likely based on how he views this. And does he even have the notes and materials to pass onto another writer, or is it mostly just in his head?
Pollux
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...shit.
Damn it Martin, get your shit together and write.
Do we have any new news about TWoW?
Hasn't GRRM stated that he won't allow other authors to finish the books if he dies? He was fine with HBO coming up with an ending, though. It's a given that season 5 will happen, but I wonder if it will get prematurely cancelled since that season will be based on books 4 and 5, where not very much happens and we get more needless characters, aka Robert Jordan syndrome. If given enough freedom, maybe HBO can greatly improve on those books, at the very least we won't have to watch all the traveling that occurs in dance of dragons...
PhoenixDark
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I kind of wish the Others didn't exist, or that they weren't such an existential threat. I'm far more interested in other northern plots (Stannis, whether Rickon will return with Davos, battle of Winterfell, Robb's heir, etc), although the Others stuff on the Wall is certainly interesting. It's hard to imagine a scenario that doesn't boil down to Dany arriving and killing the Others, who have broken the North and are marching towards the Trident. And if that's the case, all the political bickering in the south (which I like) has little relevance. Say "Aegon" takes the thrown only to have the Others break the Wall. Eh...
Forsaken82
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Yeah, this would be my preference!
Seriously, what's with all the fear of GRRM dying? Dude is only 64, it's 2013, and he's rich as fuck. He doesn't have a history of heart trouble, cancer, and doesn't drink or smoke (I think). Sure, he might suffer a massive stroke out of the blue, but so could damn near anyone. It's silly to worry about it.
He's fat, and fat (over 40-50) = unhealthy and prone to heart attack in paranoid fans minds
Steelyuhas
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Wolf in the North...SHIP IT!
By the end of the series all the Starks are dead, but they warg and live in their wolves, and then take over Westeros and rule it as wolves. Fuck people amiright
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