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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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Basileus777
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Their personalities are completely different, so not really. And Tyrion was great before ADWD and those dull travelogs and awful angst.
John Dunbar
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hundreds at most. she was born "in the time of the dragon", which would make her about 150-300 years old. also, nothing was said about how old coldhands is. the conversation went that bran or one of the others asked would the wights kill coldhands, and the answer was that they killed him a long time ago. while it's not certain who "they" are, i'd say that it's not exactly conclusive evidence that coldhands too has to be hundreds, or even thousands, of years old, since even though if you live to be 300 years old, even a few years is a long time to be a walking corpse.
i don't know is coldhands benjen or not, but i don't think that comment can be used to totally discredit the possibility.
toddhunter
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I'm happy to go with Benjen in some form, mostly because I have no idea who the Night's King is supposed to be.
Indeed, and it would be very fitting for a Stark ranger to be the one that keeps serving even in death.
Coldhand's identity should be left ambiguous. Leave some room for lore in the story. Shoehorning Benjen into the story is a absolutely redundant to the story. Its fanfare that receives speculation because of how long it takes GRRM to write a novel. Those decisions offer instant gratification upon the first read because it validates fan speculation that you may or may not have participated in but in the end, fanfare dilutes an otherwise compelling story.
Do not confuse the above comments as a suggestion that all fan theories are equal because they aren't. Evidence is evidence. Some theories have stronger evidence.
Coldhand's is an interesting theory because of its plausibility that is mostly speculative without strong supporting evidence. It connects dots because closure for Benjen's disappearance is sensible and it makes sense that a Stark would help a Stark, and hey! He randomly appears wearing a black cloak. There isn't any hard evidence however to seriously consider this theory like the Hersey and R + L = J.
Do not confuse the above comments as a suggestion that all fan theories are equal because they aren't. Evidence is evidence. Some theories have stronger evidence.
Coldhand's is an interesting theory because of its plausibility that is mostly speculative without strong supporting evidence. It connects dots because closure for Benjen's disappearance is sensible and it makes sense that a Stark would help a Stark, and hey! He randomly appears wearing a black cloak. There isn't any hard evidence however to seriously consider this theory like the Hersey and R + L = J.
Fuck me. I've just spent the last 2.5 h reading A Wiki of Ice and Fire. I just love the world and lore that GRRM has built. So captivating.
One thing though: How will we ever find out if the R+L=J theory is true? Apparently only Ned knew of Jon's origin. He may have told Robert and Jon Arryn but all are dead.
One thing though: How will we ever find out if the R+L=J theory is true? Apparently only Ned knew of Jon's origin. He may have told Robert and Jon Arryn but all are dead.
That's a great question. The best place to start is in the sticky thread on the general forum of A Forum of Ice and Fire.
Its been awhile since I've read up on the theory but last time I checked the two most plausible scenarios were Howland Reed providing Jon with his resolution, or Bran revealing to readers through his Weirwood abilities of the events that took place at the Tower of Joy (Jon will never learn of his mothers identity in this case).
There are probably many others as well. Seriously, check out that thread. Its massive but worth the read if your into the world enough to spend 2.5h reading ASoIaF wikis.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Trojita
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Daario's swords
WTF I always regarded him as being in his 20's.
BertramCooper
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I always had a hard time picturing Daario as anything less than utterly repulsive in every conceivable way.
So yeah, that illustration seems pretty accurate to me.
Who knows how it will be resolved. I'm sure it will be, maybe Jon will see it in a vision. Who knows what kind of powers he could get after being ressurected.
John Dunbar
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what is Hersey?
Trojita
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The Three Eyed Crow specifically mentioned that Cold Hands was like that "For a long time", which for how long Three Eyes has lived, a year or 2 wouldn't be much time at all.
StylesTrip
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1. Eddard Stark
2. Robb Stark
3. Jon Snow
When Eddard died I moved onto Robb...then onto Jon. Let's just say now, I'm not picking any other characters as my favorite.
The Elite
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Yeah. That doesn't look too different than I imagined.
Moff
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I agree, of all the deaths in the series, Tywins bothered me the most. when it happened as well as later when I thought about it.
BertramCooper
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Really, I enjoy that entire set of illustrations. It's probably the best I've seen, or at the very least, the most accurate.
I wish the the Wiki would use them uniformly across the character pages. Right now it's a hodgepodge of different fan arts, some based purely on the books and others strongly influenced by the TV show.
Hersey is an insanely long thread on the ASoIaF forums (ADWD section) that covers the history of the North, the Wall and the origin of The Others. It's the next best thread behind R + L = J. Very interesting read. Even if some of the theories that have spawned from that discussion are false, it is still one of the most informative threads on the entire internet. I'm convinced that Stannis is
the Night's King (the King of the Wall who was actually a resurrected undead with magical powers.
Interesting. Could you explain further why you believe this?
John Dunbar
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oh, you mean heresy. i scanned through that stuff once, and just seemed like a giant exercise in reading too much into things.
Trojita
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Basileus777
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Nope. Speculation about Benjen's fate and even Coldhands has been happening before GRRM's writing problems even began. Overanalyzation was happening even before ASOS was released. I remember the Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory. I don't care about this either way, but Benjen being Coldhands isn't any more farfetched than Aegon reappearing or a bunch of the things that ended up happening in ADWD.
At first I thought he was talking about the chocolate.
I spoiler tagged it just in case. Actually, I don't know why I spoiler tagged it. This is the unmarked thread after all.
Maybe later when I'm not busy I can compile some information from the thread. It will be good for me to get caught up again because I haven't followed the ASoIaF forum or had any in depth discussion of ASoIaF for almost a year now.
John Dunbar
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i actually think that's a legit theory. if stannis' efforts to get the throne are frustrated again, the whole "breaks before bends" thing might imply something of the sort. the others seems to have some connection with humans (craster, the first night's king), so if stannis ends up back at the nightfort brooding how everyone's a traitor he might be enticed by the others. also, he did sleep with mel to get the throne, so might as well shack up with an other as well. i hear they're lovely.
I would like that.
Basileus777
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He isn't going to survive Oldtown. Martin's going to kill him.
Trojita
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Not Sam :O
Duane Cunningham
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Metaphorical suicide?
fallengorn
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We'll find out when GRRM spins-off a series of books starting with Samwell Tarly and the Targaryen's Egg.
Will do, so much shit is going on, my mind melts most of the time
haha
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Idk if this has been discussed but did you guys see the Wun Wun = a Phil Simms tribute. QB Phil Simms wore #11 (One One) for the NY Giants (Martin's favorite team) and he crushes a knight with a blue star for his sigil (the Cowboys logo). Simms #11 is currently retired in NY. Seems very true because of that last Wun Wun scene. Maybe the name is a coincidence, should've thrown the boulder if he's Simms. What a weird thing for Martin to do.
I made this post in the other thread but it belongs here.
I made this post in the other thread but it belongs here.
well given how much time he spends writing football related blog posts (whole walls of them), it wouldn't surprise me. Can't really say how plausible your theory is though since I know absolutelty nothing about american footlball.
It's to do with a bet GRRM had with a friend.
http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/ser-patrek-of-kings-mountain.html
TheDrizzlerJ11
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What a weird bet. Crazy that if the Giants took care of business, Ser Patrek would still be here today asking about Val.
PhoenixDark
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What are your thoughts on Heresy?
TheDrizzlerJ11
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I'm not buying that Craster is a Stark. They think he's a descendant of the Night King?
Finally finished ADWD. I thought it was very good, but I can definitely see why some people were a bit turned off by it. I felt like the stories told were well done for the most part and very diverse in terms of locations and characters, which kept it fairly fresh throughout. The main weakness of the book however has to be that there are very few major payoffs. So many of the characters' stories end in cliffhangers and there aren't really any satisfying conclusions to be had. It's a bit of a bummer that we have to wait several years before we find out what happens to any of the characters. But I enjoyed the book overall.
Ape Gone Insane
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Are the audiobooks good?
Go back a handful of pages. It was just discussed recently:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47671403&postcount=10529
Ape Gone Insane
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Cheers.
Haha, I just asked that
Where can I find the Heresy stuff? Is it on Westeros?
EDIT: Found It.
I was just in the season 3 thread where people were discussing Coldhands and who should play him etc. when I remembered the main thing that I always wanted resolved: Where is Benjen and how will his disappearance factor into the frozen dead invasion or w/e is coming? And then I thought hey are we maybe supposed to assume that Coldhands is somehow Benjen reincarnate or something? As in he managed to find sorcery to keep him alive in the forest and was waiting for Bran?
I may be totally off or this has already been noted as an unlikely possibility but I thought maybe it was worth bringing up with the people here who read the thread more than me.
I may be totally off or this has already been noted as an unlikely possibility but I thought maybe it was worth bringing up with the people here who read the thread more than me.
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