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[ZeroRay]

Grey lips may be Victarion who is theorized to be already dead (his chapter in ADWD is the only one in the entire series to break POV right when Moqorro was "healing" him).

So if Dany marries him or Euron I'll consider Jon to be a future husband as well. But yeah I'm sure George has something surprising in store either way.

 

[Herr K]

I really hope Jon doesn't die. That'd be a cunty thing to do.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

I have to wonder where Hizdhar zo Loraq figures into her husband count. I doubt she marries Victarion or Euron.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I have to wonder where Hizdhar zo Loraq figures into her husband count. I doubt she marries Victarion or Euron.

I doubt she'll marry anyone. Dany's one of the characters I think's going to get killed in the last book.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I doubt she'll marry anyone. Dany's one of the characters I think's going to get killed in the last book.

My FanFic says otherwise!

 

[Herr K]

Jon is a Targaryen. No doubt in my mind. GRRM should hurry up now.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I really hope Jon doesn't die. That'd be a cunty thing to do.

I strongly believe Melisandre will resurrect him.

 

[Moff]

or he transfers to another body.
I guess we all agree he is in ghost right now.

but since his body is probably well preserved in the cold of the north, I guess he might get back into his own body, even after some time.

 

[CassSept]

It's nearing 3 years since the release of the book, 2 years since I read it and I still can't help but to find it amusing that absolutely nobody believes Jon is dead for real. GRRM dun goofed if he expected it to be a shocking and exciting twist ending.

 

[Basileus777]

It's nearing 3 years since the release of the book, 2 years since I read it and I still can't help but to find it amusing that absolutely nobody believes Jon is dead for real. GRRM dun goofed if he expected it to be a shocking and exciting twist ending.

GRRM doesn't kill off POV characters. Ned was the only one.

Spoiler

Guest POVs don't count.

But really, he just went to the well too many times with the fake-deaths. No one buys them anymore. GRRM deaths are basically soap opera deaths at this point.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

GRRM doesn't kill off POV characters. Ned was the only one.
.

Catelyn?

Spoiler

She's dead, I don't care what anyone says. Lady Stoneheart != Catelyn Stark.

 

[Joni]

It's nearing 3 years since the release of the book, 2 years since I read it and I still can't help but to find it amusing that absolutely nobody believes Jon is dead for real. GRRM dun goofed if he expected it to be a shocking and exciting twist ending.

It is a twist beginning when we find absolutely no Jon in the next book.

 

[Reyne]

Also, Gurm answering interviews on the subject sarcastically sure he helps:

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?

Yeah... totally had us there, didn't you?

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

It's nearing 3 years since the release of the book, 2 years since I read it and I still can't help but to find it amusing that absolutely nobody believes Jon is dead for real. GRRM dun goofed if he expected it to be a shocking and exciting twist ending.

When I read it I was shocked and did the who WTF gasp thing, but it's also obvious he's not dead forever. It's something that happens all the time in comics, it's not binary. We can both be thrilled by it and kinda know what's coming next.

 

[Moff]

It felt a bit lame reading it, honestly.
Jon had some of the best ADWD moments, I loved the execution of slynt, as well as the death of "mance". but his death felt very cheap to me, because its so obvious he is not gone, I literally thought "really, GRRM? you really expect us to fall for this?" while reading it.

I would be fine with him not appearing in TWOW at all, as a "twist" that hes not coming back, but he will be there at the latest in dream of spring, in one form or another, no doubt.

 

[Basileus777]

Catelyn?

Spoiler

She's dead, I don't care what anyone says. Lady Stoneheart != Catelyn Stark.

Stoneheart's a different character, but it's still enough not to qualify Catelyn as a clean death. You could also point to Quentyn, but he's a shitty character that shouldn't have had more than a chapter or two, his is barely more than a prologue/epilogue style death.

 

[Reyne]

So lets see:

Major POV Characters

• Eddard Stark
• Catelyn Stark ( Came back wrong )
• Daenerys Targaryen
• Tyrion Lannister
• Jon Snow ( alive until proven dead )
• Bran Stark
• Sansa Stark
• Arya Stark
• Theon Greyjoy
• Davos Seaworth
• Jaime Lannister
• Samwell Tarly
• Cersei Lannister
• Brienne of Tarth

Minor POV Characters

• Aeron Greyjoy
• Victarion Greyjoy
• Arianne Martell
• Asha Greyjoy
• Areo Hotah
• Arys Oakheart
• Quentyn Martell
• Barristan Selmy
• Jon Connington
• Melisandre

Prologue POV's

• Will
• Maester Cressen
• Chett
• Pate
• Varamyr

Epilogue POV's

• Merrett Frey
• Kevan Lannister

Yup, major POV has as good plot armor as could be expected and minor ones aren't that far off either. Martin needs to up his game in Winds. I want at least three major POV death and as for minor POV... just kill them all.

Spoiler

Except for Selmy. Don't kill Barristan pls

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Please don't kill Asha

 

[PhoenixDark]

Martin has said he needs to kill off POVs, and TWOW really seems like it'll be a bloodbath. Especially because so many characters are beginning to group together. Barristan, Tyrion, and Victarion are all in the same 10 mile radius...someone is going to die to consolidate view points. Same thing applies to the north with Theon and Asha in the same place.

I'd bet that all these characters die (POVs and otherwise) in TWOW:

-Jaime
-Cersei
-Barristan
-Victarion
-Asha
-Jon Connington
-Damphair
-Areo Hotah
-Brienne
-Tommen
-Myrcella
-Maergery

The Lannister wipe out seems quite likely because I think Aegon will sit the throne before the end of TWOW. Martin has said "multiple" people will sit the throne before the end; that comment plus Cersei's prophesy leads me to believe Tommen is fucked, and Queen Myrcella won't last longer after. My theory is that Tommen will die shortly halfway through the book and Myrcella will be killed when Aegon's forces arrive in King's Landing.

 

[Reyne]

Yeah, good list of likely candidates.

Though it seems strange that Asha dies instead of Theon, it would actually be sort of ironic if he instead of her survives this whole ordeal. You sort of get the feeling that his time is drawing near and he will be executed soon; but thats too obvious, so he survives.

 

[CitizenVectron]

The only one I see of those surviving is Jaime since he has no claim to being the Lannister heir, so I think it's safe to let him live.

But who knows!

 

[bodyofanamerican]

The only one I see of those surviving is Jaime since he has no claim to being the Lannister heir, so I think it's safe to let him live.

But who knows!

Ugh, if he dies in TWOW, I'm going to be completely gutted.

 

[KingHenrik30]

People really think John is dead?

 

[Massa]

Jon Snow as he existed in the first 5 books is definitely dead.

 

[Herr K]

Lady Stoneheart will either use Jaime to kill the Lannisters and maybe a few Freys and then kill him, or she'll simply kill him.

 

[Moff]

I think Jaime will be the the one who does the heroic deed at the very end of the story

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I think Jaime will be the the one who does the heroic deed at the very end of the story

Per the Ragnarok theory, right?

 

[ZeroRay]

I hope Winds will be such a bloodbath that ADOS will have the same number of POV's as AGOT did, the majority of which preferably taken up by the surviving characters from the first book.

 

[Brakke]

I'm shipping all of you bloodthirsty monsters with a pack of rabid direwolves right now.

 

[Chris R]

I'm shipping all of you bloodthirsty monsters with a pack of rabid direwolves right now.

Bloodthirsty? No.

Valar Morghulis, yes

 

[Brakke]

How will I write steamy fanfics if everybody's deeeeeeeaaaaaaad D:

 

[Chris R]

How will I write steamy fanfics if everybody's deeeeeeeaaaaaaad D:

Do it in the past tense.

I want my Benjen/Lyanna incest story now... Actually there is probably already something like this out there knowing the internet.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I hope Winds will be such a bloodbath that ADOS will have the same number of POV's as AGOT did, the majority of which preferably taken up by the surviving characters from the first book.

ADOS had way too many POV characters, so I hope he does consolidate.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Do it in the past tense.

I want my Benjen/Lyanna incest story now... Actually there is probably already something like this out there knowing the internet.

Fanfiction.net is your friend

 

[Reyne]

How will I write steamy fanfics if everybody's deeeeeeeaaaaaaad D:

Wouldn't surprise me if there were fanfics with a touch of necrophilia in them, considering there's plenty of undeads in ASOIF...

 

[RedShift]

Do it in the past tense.

I want my Benjen/Lyanna incest story now... Actually there is probably already something like this out there knowing the internet.

I'm pretty sure B+L=J is a theory out there. Probably both Br+L=J and Be+L=J now I think about it.

I did see a theory that all the Stark kids excluding Arya were the Blackfish's bastards, hence the Tully colouring *voms*.

 

[ToyMachine228]

I think Jaime will be the the one who does the heroic deed at the very end of the story

Jaime's story is one of redemption. He will go out doing something honorable.

 

[Herr K]

Jaime's story is one of redemption. He will go out doing something honorable.

Protecting a Stark, maybe? What happened to Alayne, anyway? Maybe Lady Stoneheart will forgive Jaime if he brings Sansa back.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Protecting a Stark, maybe?

Sansa?

 

[Herr K]

Sansa?

Yeah, but that's what one would expect, so it's probably not what will happen.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Protecting a Stark, maybe? What happened to Alayne, anyway? Maybe Lady Stoneheart will forgive Jaime if he brings Sansa back.

I think Stoneheart has become more focused on revenge as opposed to saving her children. But that's just me.

Not that she doesn't care, but I doubt she'd let Jaime off the hook that easily.

If anything, he'll die because of whatever happens to Cersei.

 

[Herr K]

I think Stoneheart has become more focused on revenge as opposed to saving her children. But that's just me.

Not that she doesn't care, but I doubt she'd let Jaime off the hook that easily.

If anything, he'll die because of whatever happens to Cersei.

He has to die whispering "a Lannister pays his debts" to a Stark kid. That'd be the cheesiest thing yet, but it would definitely make me happy lol

 

[TCRS]

Interview with GRRM (didn't see it posted here):

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interview

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Yeah, but that's what one would expect, so it's probably not what will happen.

I agree. Sansa would be the obvious one, especially with her dream of being saved by a gallant knight.

Also Arya would be an interesting choice (Depending on where her story goes).

I don't really see him saving Jon.

Theon makes an amazing damsel in distress but I don't think he counts as a Stark anymore.

 

[Herr K]

I agree. Sansa would be the obvious one, especially with her dream of being saved by a gallant knight.

Also Arya would be an interesting choice (Depending on where her story goes).

I don't really see him saving Jon.

Theon makes an amazing damsel in distress but I don't think he counts as a Stark anymore.

Now, having Jaime save one of the "dead" Starks, say Rickon, would be a great thing, since there are just a couple persons in the Seven Kingdoms who are aware of Rickon's fate.

Jon's destiny is tied with Daenerys, or so I'd like.

Having Jaime save Theon would be an incredible troll from GRRM. He could, however, bring Theon to Lady Stoneheart, which would be an interesting plot.

 

[badcrumble]

Martin has said he needs to kill off POVs, and TWOW really seems like it'll be a bloodbath. Especially because so many characters are beginning to group together. Barristan, Tyrion, and Victarion are all in the same 10 mile radius...someone is going to die to consolidate view points. Same thing applies to the north with Theon and Asha in the same place.

I'd bet that all these characters die (POVs and otherwise) in TWOW:

-Jaime
-Cersei
-Barristan
-Victarion
-Asha
-Jon Connington
-Damphair
-Areo Hotah
-Brienne
-Tommen
-Myrcella
-Maergery

The Lannister wipe out seems quite likely because I think Aegon will sit the throne before the end of TWOW. Martin has said "multiple" people will sit the throne before the end; that comment plus Cersei's prophesy leads me to believe Tommen is fucked, and Queen Myrcella won't last longer after. My theory is that Tommen will die shortly halfway through the book and Myrcella will be killed when Aegon's forces arrive in King's Landing.

I think Stannis is fucked for a whole bunch of reasons (but mainly because he needs to die for Melisandre to wake the fuck up).

Tommen is also fucked because, once Stannis is dead, he's the sole even *possible* heir to the throne except under Dornish law. Take him out, and suddenly you'd have Cersei, Margaery, and Myrcella all being propped up as candidates for Queen Regnant by three families who can't stand each other. There's your Three Queens.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Having Jaime save Theon would be an incredible troll from GRRM. He could, however, bring Theon to Lady Stoneheart, which would be an interesting plot.

I could see that.

Since we're speculating, I could also see Arya being forced to kill Lady Stoneheart since she is responsible for her "birth"

 

[PhoenixDark]

IMO Stannis is somewhat safe in TWOW due to the prophesy; Dany will deal with him, and I don't see her arriving in Westeros in TWOW (unless it's towards the very end of the book). But the real reason is because I'm a Stannis fanboy...

I think Jaime is the one who will strangle/kill Cersei, and he'll die shortly afterward.

 

[Herr K]

^That would be fantastic.

I could see that.

Since we're speculating, I could also see Arya being forced to kill Lady Stoneheart since she is responsible for her "birth"

I think Arya's arc is the most interesting one. We have no clue what she's doing in the House of Black and White. Will she ever leave that place? Will she come back to Westeros wearing Ned's face, to haunt Cersei down? What's the role she's playing? She's a complete mystery.

Davos is another wildcard. Wha'ts he up to? We didn't hear of the Onion Smuggler since he left Lord Too-Fat-To-Sit-A-Horse.

Now that I bring Manderly up, I really think he'll help Stannis' cause by betraying both Freys and Boltons. We're aware Manderly is one of the few people who know the truth about Rickon we also know he hates Freys and, lets be honest, nobody likes Boltons.

And well, what happened to Rickon? Skagos?

Man, I realize we know nothing of a few characters at this point. Still, I insist, Arya is the most interesting character so far. Her relationship with the Many Faced God is truly mysterious.

 

[ZeroRay]

Interview with GRRM (didn't see it posted here):

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/george-r-r-martin-interview

Thanks. He seems pretty confident about TWOW's release. Though it might be because he hopes for D&D to actually do 3 seasons of Feast/Dance, which sure as hell ain't happening.