Basileus777
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It's a big presumption that they'd even adapt this scene.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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It's a big presumption that they'd even adapt this scene.
Probably a random
Lannister guard, the 'carry me' won't have the same impact but the rest would
Ahhhhh okay. Yeah, it's been so long since I read that book, and the show stuff ends up blending together in my head that I can't recall specific details like that haha. My mind did wander for a second to that scene though when I was trying to recall what it could be referencing.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Wasn't he? I specifically remember him in season two. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else though, I'm not sure.
BobTheFork
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Well, somebody killed Lommy, the person just wasn't named and they didn't appear anywhere else if I remember. If it comes to that, maybe she see's him and they have a 5 second flashback.
bodyofanamerican
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Or a "Previously on GoT" set-up before the opening credits.
bengraven
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I see Arya as basically giving up her family in the end. Maybe not going so far as killing one of them as someone said, but I can see the final chapter of the entire thing being Arya looks west toward Winterfell as she stands on the prow of a ship that just heads east into the sunset, never to return to the family that means nothing to her anymore.
I always felt Arya was going to die saving/protecting Jon
bengraven
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Nah, I don't see her as dying. Spiritually Arya will die, but who she will end up "being" is the question.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Yeah. I think the prophecy about her being found dead once winter thaws is metaphorical and is referring to her old self. I can see her maybe having a reunion with Sansa before heading off somewhere.
bengraven
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I do hope she sees either Sansa or Jon before the end. Sansa to basically move on from their petty fighting and Jon because he meant the most to her next to her dad. There has to be some kind of symbolic meaning with him giving her Needle, outside of some twisted fan fic.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I think a reunion with Sansa is more likely and would mean more. She's always talking about missing Sansa despite how stupid she was, and Sansa seems to think about Arya quite a bit. It would be so heartwarming to at least have them say goodbye.
^ It would also be pretty ironic imo if at the end Arya ends up leaving the Stark name behind, while Sansa is the one who had helped rebuild and hold it.
I was thinking [new chapter]
I was thinking [new chapter]
with this chapter, among with the others we've seen, it seems to be a common theme that despite the fact that Arya is being trained to forget her past, she can't/doesn't want to. So ... she comes back to Westeros when everything's basically all coming together there in the finale for some final killings, etc. and then chooses to go back to east when she's finally happy with how everything's settled?
hemtae
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Isn't that not really a prophecy just a random joke made by Jon?
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Maybe not a prophecy, but typical George foreshadowing
Anyone else think this could chapter could have a major effect on the plot later on?
An envoy from Westeros has his bodyguard murdered in the city that is secretly willing to back a rival king and is demanding to be repaid for past debts. Arya might have accidentally started something big.
Basileus777
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It'll probably be another step in the continuing escalation, but I doubt this event itself will have major consequences.
Basileus777
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I'd like to still stick by the Summer 2015 prediction I made when ADWD was finished, but we haven't had any real information in so long.
That's what I've been thinking also. Third quarter of 2015 maybe. But as you said, tough to get a read on it without much info.
I had almost forgot how much I enjoy GRRM's writing. Just that chapter alone makes me want to re-read the first five books.
Probably. If the book isn't ready it doesn't matter.
I'm still holding out hope for a late 2014 release.
I mean, no matter when it's done, it's going to be delayed to coincide with a season premier or ending.
Steelyuhas
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If it's ready I'm sure the publisher would love to release it next spring close to a new season of the show.
For ADWD didn't they announce it just before Season 1 premièred and release it just after the finale? That seems like a good way to do it to build hype.
Doesn't look like that's happening this year, unless GRRM has pulled off the longest conspiracy in book release history.
John Dunbar
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Read the sample chapter. Am I right in thinking it felt a lot longer than the average ASOIAF chapter? Maybe it was the pacing, but it kinda dragged on. But I guess that's what editing is for.
Basileus777
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GRRM's chaptera have gotten increasingly longer as the series has progressed. Compared to his ADWD chapters, this wasn't particularly long or bloated.
Cpt.Underpants
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Fortunately, No
The only specific food mentioned I could think of was
Raff the Sweetling becoming a feast for eels.
Yeah, I'm hoping for the return of 10 page chapters. I feel like it helps the pacing a bit.
PhoenixDark
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Couple GRRM comments about TWOW's:
Martin famously rewrote hundreds of pages of AFFC/ADWD multiple times, specifically with respect to Dany. He has said the writing process was tough from the very beginning in 2000/2001, and it only got harder until he scrapped the 5 year gap and "fixed" the Meereenese Knot (in part by adding Barristan as a POV). The fact that TWOW has thus far required less re-writes suggests he's having an easier time with the writing process.
Also it sounds like he is close to reaching the limit of chapters he can release without spoiling stuff. Even the Mercy chapter seems like it gives too much away, as it TWOW
Likewise Arianne's second chapter also reveals a rather big spoiler (TWOW
).
So many stories are on the edge of the "big shit about to go down" mountain. For instance we've gotten two chapters for Barristan, Tyrion, and Arriane...and it seems pretty clear their third chapters are all going to be pretty damn climatic; Barristan II and Tyrion II are pretty stunning as is, what comes next has to be big. Also Victarion's first chapter is basically a "eve of the battle" type setting.
Martin released multiple Jon and Dany chapters during the wait for AFFC/ADWD in part because they don't really spoil much; Jon executes Slynt and Qarth declares war on Meeren, but that's about it. Whereas Dany's first TWOW chapter will presumably be pretty damn climatic; I really can't imagine that scenario ending without a few people being burned to death or eaten. Likewise consider all these characters who were left on cliffhangers or situations where they're about to see/learn something big.
-Jon/Melisandre (I'm combining them since Melisandre's POV will presumably be the way we see Jon for the first time in TWOW)
-Dany
-Jaime
-Cersei
-Bran
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Martin famously rewrote hundreds of pages of AFFC/ADWD multiple times, specifically with respect to Dany. He has said the writing process was tough from the very beginning in 2000/2001, and it only got harder until he scrapped the 5 year gap and "fixed" the Meereenese Knot (in part by adding Barristan as a POV). The fact that TWOW has thus far required less re-writes suggests he's having an easier time with the writing process.
Also it sounds like he is close to reaching the limit of chapters he can release without spoiling stuff. Even the Mercy chapter seems like it gives too much away, as it TWOW
seems to suggest Cersei won her trial and is still a force in King's Landing.
Aegon has taken Storm's End and a Tyrell force is on its way to attack the castle; it also notes the castle was taken in a particularly bloody manner, so perhaps there were heavy casualties.
So many stories are on the edge of the "big shit about to go down" mountain. For instance we've gotten two chapters for Barristan, Tyrion, and Arriane...and it seems pretty clear their third chapters are all going to be pretty damn climatic; Barristan II and Tyrion II are pretty stunning as is, what comes next has to be big. Also Victarion's first chapter is basically a "eve of the battle" type setting.
Martin released multiple Jon and Dany chapters during the wait for AFFC/ADWD in part because they don't really spoil much; Jon executes Slynt and Qarth declares war on Meeren, but that's about it. Whereas Dany's first TWOW chapter will presumably be pretty damn climatic; I really can't imagine that scenario ending without a few people being burned to death or eaten. Likewise consider all these characters who were left on cliffhangers or situations where they're about to see/learn something big.
-Jon/Melisandre (I'm combining them since Melisandre's POV will presumably be the way we see Jon for the first time in TWOW)
-Dany
-Jaime
-Cersei
-Bran
WhereAreMahDragonz
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As for Dany, I agree with you that it's going to start of climatic and I'm so happy about that. After the slump that was Dance in regards to her arc, it's going to be so great to see her kick ass with Drogon again.
Ignatz Mouse
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I rewatched Season 3 recently, and I love that one of the prostitute can perform the Mereneese Knot.
A Human Becoming
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Do you change your avatar every other week?
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I'm indecisive.
I think it'd be a given they adapt it in some form to show Arya's progress.
I think you are thinking of Polliver. He's the one who stabbed Lommy in season 2.
It was a 6000+ word chapter, which is alot for a chapter, even in ASOIAF. Average chapter length is around 3-4k words.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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^oh that could be it. The show does a piss poor job of differentiating between them, except for the Tickler.
Yeah, even knowing who characters are supposed to be, a lot of the minor characters in the show are lost on me since they often show up so infrequently, often aren't very distinguishable, and their roles are often changed from the books.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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And they killed him off quick.
eot
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Not necessarily. That envoy would've left before those events took place.
Kevan tells Ser Harys to go to Braavos before he's killed.
PhoenixDark
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John Dunbar
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do we have any idea when this excerpt was actually written? might not make much sense trying to fit it into the timeline before it has been edited.
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