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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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Or Littlefinger.
platypotamus
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Three books discussed in this thread without spoiler tags, so if you aren't careful you'll find out about how Hodor becomes King of the Seven Kingdoms.
butzopower
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I'd believe this, Littlefinger clearly wants Tyrion dead.
Not sure of Littlefinger's endgame, if he's looking to just have hold of the North and the Vale and maybe Highgarden, or if he's involved in Dorne, too. Could be Darkstar was his.
I'm not sure either, but i'm rooting for him. Fuck the nobles.
The Artful Dodger
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I never really got the idea that Littlefinger had an Endgame. He just sorta takes advantage of a situation as it presents itself and plays it off like it was all part of this grand master plan...
PhoenixDark
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I still wonder whether Tyrion's pie was poisoned, not the wine, and LF/Olenna accidentally killed Joff when they were trying to kill Tyrion. It seems like it makes way more sense to kill Joffery AFTER Maergery is pregnant.
Killing Tyrion at the wedding would free up Sansa to marry again, at which point LF could betray the Tyrells and steal her.
Lots of things that could go wrong there. If Maergery had a miscarriage or gave birth to a daughter, Tommen would still be made king. After that Maergery wouldn't be as eligible for marriage with Tommen given the consummation and all that jazz and the Tyrell's might as well pack up and ride back to Highgarden.
What motive would Olenna have for killing Tyrion though?
Lionheart1337
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PhoenixDark
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Damn you're right. Especially in King's Landing where Cersei could potentially ensure Maergery had a miscarriage.
DC1
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Correct. However I'm more inclined to believe that Olenna had more concern for Maergery's well being within King's Landing than an arranged marriage between Willas and a powerless north.
Remember that the war was with a fractured Stannis at the time and half the North was bending to the Lannisters.
The Tyrell's focus was/is on the throne and the quickest path to get there was through Maergery not war.
DC1
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I would point out that Littlefinger's drive has always been validation through power. He had no idea of Jeffreys assassination attempt and was genuinely amused when he found out...
His strategy had changed.
In short he is and have been playing the game of thrones for some time.
I believe we have only seen the very tip of his plan and the only person that has a bead on him happens to be greatest mind in all of the seven kingdoms, namely Varys (The Just).
Basileus777
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Littlefinger also had a bone to pick with Tyrion thanks to how Tyrion tricked him in ACOK. And of course Tyrion also married Sansa.
PhoenixDark
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It might have something to do with the Wall. Perhaps the Wall's magic is strongest when a Stark is in Winterfell. Others have pointed out it could be weather related. The northern storm in ADWD seems supernatural, and perhaps it won't stop until Rickon returns - or until a blood sacrifice is made (Theon).
butzopower
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Maybe this is for the show thread, but that one's going too fast to keep up with. In changing the ages of the Stark kids, did they change the dates of events in the show? Does everything start 298AL, and the war was earlier than in the books? Seems like if Jon were older, and his birth was a product of the war, that everything would have to be earlier or the year is later to adjust it.
hemtae
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I know they did get rid of a targaryan king in the show but I can't remember which one.
They removed the king between Aegon and Areys based on what Aemon told Jon, if memory serves.
demosthenes
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The Stark at winterfell could be for something else as well, could be a deal with the CotF. There is a lot about the North/Others/Starks/CotF that we don't know about at the moment so we better be getting a lot of information in the next 2 books.
The others could have been mobilizing b/c they felt that dragons were coming back (maybe they started to mobilize when dragons hit Westoros and then they died off so they slept a little longer).
The wait absolutely sucks.
Doesn't answer your questions directly but has a nice write up of the general theory:
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/81078-winter-fell/
Yeah it reminded me something about the show. In the books Tyrion has "hair so blond it seemed white". You know, because he's a secret Targ. The show has his hair quite a dirtier blond than Cersei's or Jaime's.
I wonder if that's on purpose (because their hair color is a red herring anyway) or the showrunners just decided it'd be too much effort to maintain.
Peter Dinklage looked ridiculous with blonde hair. They chose having an amazing actor play the role rather than being faithful to every description in the book.
The Artful Dodger
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Agreed. I'd rather have a great actor over somebody who matches the description any day.
A Human Becoming
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Eh, the blonde hair is sort of their thing. I'm fine with dye jobs.
Except Tyrion's hair isn't completely blonde. It's mixed with darker black hair.
AWOIAF
Yeah I know. The real thing is, Peter Dinklage is a handsome dude, the thing on that cover up there is a horrendous monstrosity.
Thing is, the thing on the cover is probably a lot closer to the book's description, still shouldn't be on the damned cover though
John Dunbar
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japanese tyrion looks like a burn victim.
I have always thought it might have something to do with their leader. The Night's King was rumored to be a Stark as per one of Old Nan's story. Maybe having a Stark in Winterfell prevents him from making a move against his own kin or something.
Incandenza
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This is something that's always bugged me: does the Battle of the Blackwater take place during the day or at night? In the show, it's entirely at night, but in the books it's sort of ambiguous.
Dabookerman
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Set during the day I believe.
It's night in the show purely because it's more cost effective. Plus Fire will appear far better in the darkness.
Steelyuhas
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IIRC, in the book it starts during the day and goes into the night.
DC1
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I would agree that the battle starts around mid afternoon.
By the time Tyrion's squire Podrick pulls him out of the water it is very well dark/night.
A Human Becoming
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Too creepy for TV, but the show should have scarred him up more.I quite like this photoshop of Peter Dinklage as book Tyrion.
It is sorta creepy.
DC1
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I agree.
He should have had at a minimal one nostril removed/depressed.
Hollywood is such a knee scratcher.
Lactose_Intolerant
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expensive for tv
i imagine the 20 minutes it takes to apply his facial scar is a whole lot cheaper than matching everything up in 3d
DC1
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I also picture the HBO series actors when reading the book. This speaks to a greater appreciation for the casting of the HBO series.
There has never been a cinematic experience that nails the 'feel' and 'look' of the characters represented in the sourced book (as well as what HBO presents through the Game of Thrones series).
Big Ups to all that was involved with the casting.
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