Activision has filed a lawsuit against those responsible for Cronus Zen devices
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Zacfoldor
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Wait, I'm just now learning about this. So this is the thing that lets you use M&K on consoles?
Also it has scripts that can be mapped to I assume a button press.
Does it affect anything in game? Like, it says it has an anti-recoil feature. How could that work if it didn't alter the game files? I'm wondering how it is harming activation when I can make macros on my controller? Aren't there actual cheating softwares out there to go after rather than a controller adapter? Perhaps this is just such a wide spread issue that they have to act?
Also it has scripts that can be mapped to I assume a button press.
Does it affect anything in game? Like, it says it has an anti-recoil feature. How could that work if it didn't alter the game files? I'm wondering how it is harming activation when I can make macros on my controller? Aren't there actual cheating softwares out there to go after rather than a controller adapter? Perhaps this is just such a wide spread issue that they have to act?
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HeisenbergFX4
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They plug in between your controller and console and lets you run scripts
You can greatly increase things like aim assist and greatly reduce recoil
At one point they had paid scripts that were straight up cheating but I don't know how those work now
Things like giving single shot higher powered rifles in COD full auto with next to zero recoil
Even watched a guy landing in PUBG that could see ground loot while floating down
DeepEnigma
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I wonder if Game Genie case law will be brought up by the defendants.
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Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc., 780 F. Supp. 1283 (N.D. Cal. 1991)
Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc., 780 F. Supp. 1283 (N.D. Cal. 1991) case opinion from the US District Court for the Northern District of California
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HeisenbergFX4
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I don't think Activision wins thisI wonder if Game Genie case law will be brought up by the defendants.
Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc., 780 F. Supp. 1283 (N.D. Cal. 1991)
Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc., 780 F. Supp. 1283 (N.D. Cal. 1991) case opinion from the US District Court for the Northern District of California
Straight up PC cheats I can see why those get shut down
Have talked about this many times but Xbox knew when people were using these things and they decided to not attempt any action
For just increasing aim assist and helping to control recoil that is such a grey area
Grildon Tundy
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They should just actually ban cheaters--Chronus or otherwise. But I guess the team of lawyers need to justify their salaries since they aren't the ones who can identify & ban cheaters.
realcool
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When PlayStation secured the Call of Duty marketing rights, the esport switched over to the PS4 platform, and they had to use Cronuses at these LAN events as it was the only viable way to disable and bypass Bluetooth in the DS4 controllers at the time. They learned of the Bluetooth problem at a tournament where the players experienced significant input lag caused by interference. The usage of Cronuses ended with the release of MW2019 when the esport moved to PC (controller only, still), where the players then started using programs to "overclock" their DS4 controllers by raising the polling rate.
Just a bit of history to show that Activision (who had purchased MLG, therefore becoming the league owner), essentially, funded the Cronus business to maintain competitive integrity at their live tournaments for 4 years.
Just a bit of history to show that Activision (who had purchased MLG, therefore becoming the league owner), essentially, funded the Cronus business to maintain competitive integrity at their live tournaments for 4 years.
HeisenbergFX4
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To add to this I know as of a couple of years ago Acti knew for a fact a few of the larger content creators used these devices while streaming and this always shows up at their COD NEXT events where these streamers seem to not be able to even shoot straight anymore
Jinzo Prime
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Fuck Activision. Hope the jury see through their nonsense.
I have never played a Call of Duty game, but trying to fuck over someone for life for supposed cheating? Disgusting. No video game is that fucking serious.
StueyDuck
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Is this a parody?
Honestly, it's hard to tell sometimes.
Activision is well within its rights to want to sue; it's not just an interpreter for M&KB; it's literally a script injector designed for cheating (and here comes the crowd to defend it). But to make a long story short, the device can easily be seen as a negative impact on their business if gamers feel like their experience is being negatively impacted by the device.
I know personally, I dropped Siege on PS because the chronus crowd was just becoming obnoxious, and I haven't gone back. I also played a few rounds of Apex a couple of years back on Console and again the Chronus crowd was always painfully obvious when spectating.
If they can prove it (which is where this case will most likely fall apart), then they absolutely have an argument for the product impacting their business negatively.
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realcool
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DeepEnigma
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Damn, Activision literally out here funding the Taliban/Al-Qaeda of cheats from the very beginning.
Crispy Gamer
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These type of devices have really hurt console pvp
FrankWza
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No but the time you invest is. I don't think it's wrong to expect that you're on the level when you're competing against anyone in anything. There's gamesmanship and there's flat out cheating
Jinzo Prime
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Do you actually think I'm joking? You're insane.
StueyDuck
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Well, you are kind of saying the dodgy company making cheats for online players should win.
They probably will because the case is flimsy, but I'm 100% on Activision's side here, the device could definitely be interpreted as something hurting their targeted audience, diminishing the value of their product, proving that is a different story.
As others have also said, console PvP is a mess when you get to the more popular games because of the device, and it's also used on PC to inject scripts to enable essentially 0 recoil to weapons and pinpoint accuracy. Not sure why we'd wanna champion that.
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Avid Reading Horse
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I don't buy into this legally enforced walled garden bullshit. Ultimately, they have no right to decide what kind of controller hardware one is allowed to make or whether a console owner can plug it into their system or not. Obviously, they have the right to ban accounts from playing online with such devices. But because they fail at detection doesn't mean they should get to have the government stomp out their 'enemies' for them.
mitch1971
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Yes, but the business behind it is. Millions in investments, employment for hundreds if not thousands. If these devices are driving away players and in turn affecting the business, then to them it's serious.
Likely will get nowhere but at least they are trying
VolticArchangel
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Are these Cronus devices on undetectable HW ID's? Can't Sony, MS and Nintendo just block them?
MonkD
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How many cheaters in this thread holla too
ShaiKhulud1989
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I do hope that their DriveHub product won't be discontinued. I use it too hook my Moza setup to PS5.
StereoVsn
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Who the f cares that this "negatively affected" Activision? What law has this company broken by providing devices that can allow folks to use KBM.
Scripts or no scripts, these devices by definition couldn't have say modified memory of a running game or another issue cheater programs can sometimes get nailed on PC. This purely hardware inputs.
Fuck this slippery slope of corpo stanning.
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rodrigolfp
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Ftfy.
Chittagong
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Concentrating on whether Activision wins or loses this lawsuit is missing the point.
The real purpose is to establish a deterrent - if you sell these devices, you will have a hugely expensive lawsuit ahead of you, which you might win eventually, but after risking everything you have.
This will effectively push these devices underground, limiting their reach and prevalence.
The real purpose is to establish a deterrent - if you sell these devices, you will have a hugely expensive lawsuit ahead of you, which you might win eventually, but after risking everything you have.
This will effectively push these devices underground, limiting their reach and prevalence.
HeisenbergFX4
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Xbox can for sure see when people use them as its something Ybarra and I talked about often while he was still at Xbox
His reply whenever I would ask why not ban those people was they decided at Xbox to let each game studio decide what to do with those people using those devices
What's bad is places like WalMart, Gamestop and Best Buy would sell these things right next to controllers and was always what my cheating nephews excuse was for using them
"If they weren't allowed then WalMart wouldn't sell it"
SeasonedInTheAbyss
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I got one of those to play with kb/m in Battlefront 2 on xbone with my best friend, his brother and nephew, it made me want to use the controller instead. Might have been my ineptitude to configure right, but I did see the stuff it could also do for controllers.
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TerribleAtThisGame
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There's always people going wild about Cronus this and that in the Hunt: Showdown Discord. Finally I know wtf that means.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
But it is not illegal to impact business negatively with a different business. This is a device people buy because they want to alter the gameplay experience. Activision should find a way to detect and ban when used online. If it is blatantly obvious to you, that means there are obvious patterns that could be detected.
These things could be used by people in single player mode to make the games more enjoyable for them. For that reason alone, I have a hard time seeing how it does anything illegal.
Kerotan
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There's nothing grey about this. It's straight up cheating.
ValiantInstance
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The matchmaking is so cracked that in the top 1% lobbies every player is min maxing every single tiny little advantage, so no that's not going to happen.
The vast majority of players will never encounter cheaters because they aren't good enough.
VolticArchangel
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Absolutely pathetic display of incompetence from management and leadership, to avoid negative PR, and I'm not only talking about Ybarra here.
It's your fucking platform. Your consumers are being affected from exploiters and it's affecting the integrity of the product on offer. Grow a spine and take a fucking stance and block them all.
All console manufacturers are equally complicit in this, just waiting for someone else to make the first move and use that as an excuse to follow them (like the recent $80 markup from MS for their 1ST party releases, right after Nintendo did it), all to avoid bad PR, and the devs themselves are also equal pussies to not block these. The end consumer is the one being affected in this shitshow.
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StueyDuck
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It's not about being illegal though, this won't be a case to put people in jail.
They have to prove damages, and if they can, they'll sue for damages.
Also let's not pretend that Zens are being bought for single-player games.
you are talking about 0.08% Basically if we are going to play into that, gamers managed just fine up till now without it.
HeisenbergFX4
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"Helps you control recoil a little bit"
Tommi84
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I still have one of those Cronus Max old devices, but it's not my fault that Sony decided to FCK me over by not allowing me to use my Driving Force GT PS3 wheel with PS4. It wasn't ideal, required few times to getting used to how to set it up, but worked fine. That being said, allowing to use this device and the scripts for pvp games? Yeah, no.
Soodanim
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I don't think anyone disagrees that cheaters should be punished. The point of contention is the approach Activision is taking. To sue the creators of the device seems to me like an abuse of the legal system and a waste of everyone's time and money when they could just ban the devices from use. If what
HeisenbergFX4
says it true then I see no good reason for them to not do that.
Taking out the manufacturer entirely takes out all the legitimate use cases, ones people have given examples of ITT. But ban the users and their complaint is what, that they are upset they paid to cheat and got caught? It's not like Activision can't give people fair warning and temp bans as a warm up.
HeisenbergFX4
says it true then I see no good reason for them to not do that.Taking out the manufacturer entirely takes out all the legitimate use cases, ones people have given examples of ITT. But ban the users and their complaint is what, that they are upset they paid to cheat and got caught? It's not like Activision can't give people fair warning and temp bans as a warm up.
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Miles708
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Precisely.
I can use any device i want on my own console i paid for and that i own, and manufacturers can kiss my ass.
If that's a problem with your game, solve it inside your own game.
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