Because he is a member of the ethnic group with which the stereotypes he plays off of. I would consider racist pranks the dudes who pay people to behave a certain way to continue a stereotype.
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Adam Saleh, popular YouTube racist, kicked off Delta plane for being a jerk
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Because he is a member of the ethnic group with which the stereotypes he plays off of. I would consider racist pranks the dudes who pay people to behave a certain way to continue a stereotype.
BronsonLee
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SOMEBODY CALL MY MOMMA - Adam Saleh, 2016
Audioboxer
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If that is true and he was trying to do something again, then I'm pretty certain the airline would be allowed to eject for antagonistic behavior. Flights aren't places for pranks and fooling around.
You hold him to a lower standard if you want. I will not. As I said good to see many within the ethnic group you refer to are also calling him out.
The NYTimes picked up the story:
Adam Saleh's response:
More of what allegedly happened:
nytimes.com
Adam Saleh's response:
More of what allegedly happened:
nytimes.com
If they are uncomfortable with his pranks then I am in no position to argue with them. For the record I have always found his pranks lame, and his vlogs where he exploits his sister/nieces for likes from women viewers pandering. Not a big fan of him.
so they kicked him off for being brown-skinned and pranking people in the past
also communism kills is a racist, fascist piece of shit, so her support doesn't really do delta any favors
I don't see anything in those twitter posts about him trying to do a prank. I also don't really trust "people on plane disputing call to mom". From what she's saying, everything's really unclear to her friend and it's too vague to say that these people on the plane were anywhere near the guy.
As far as I'm concerned, the evidence is in his favor so far.
As far as I'm concerned, the evidence is in his favor so far.
Audioboxer
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If an investigation shows he was trying to prank again the airline has every right to eject for not behaving in a orderly way. As I said above flying on a plane is not the place for antagonistic or misleading behaviour.
One of his videos with nearly one million views is 9/11 baiting. I don't particularly think anyone should feel comfortable with his method of choosing to engage with serious topics.
Damn that's a far jump you're making.
Maybe they kicked him off cause he was clearly trying to "prank" people and nobody has time for that shit?
Monochromaticx
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Turns out the dude is an ass hat?
that is more or less what the article says so it's not really a jump at all
BronsonLee
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Yeah I'm in this boat, and if he's doubling down on it when it was a prank he's probably toast
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
I hope it was a prank gone wrong, because as it's looking, if it is it's just people saying "Get this jackass off the plane, he's being a jackass" instead of being islamophobic.
Gravy Boat
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I mean, there's no real good outcome here but part of me thinks that them kicking him off for a prank gone wrong is better than him being kicked off because other racist passangers were uncomfortable.
I can understand not saying anything for fear of also getting ejected. But those people waving and mocking him are pieces of shit.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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We have no idea what went down before the video. If it went down as he suggests, yes they are. But I have a feeling there's additional context we're missing here.
Going to need more details. There are douchebags involved either way, just not exactly sure whom yet.
CyclopsRock
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Depends what he was doing, I guess. This whole thing almost certainly delayed the flight for people who just wanted to get going. If he was being a dickhead and that's why he ended up getting kicked off, I imagine their "bye's" and waving is the equivalent of when a streaker gets taken out from a player when they run on the pitch naked. Everyone cheers because the dickhead got sacked and they can get on with the game.
You have a link to the video in question?
It does worse to bring internet outrage about a fake event because it gives people ammo to say the stuff doesn't exist and it is fake and we just get riled up easily. So yes, it is a good idea to at least be pretty sure it's not fake before making a big deal about it. It makes it easy for people to dismiss when they can point to cases of outrage over fake events.
I really hope this isn't some elaborate "social experiment" prank garbage, otherwise I'd be first in line to sock him in the face.
This shit is isn't something to joke about or to conduct a shitty social experiment. Being an Arab myself, I'm always nervous about flying to the States because I wouldn't know what the hell to do if anything like this happens to me. My mom always worries about me and asks me whether or not I made it through without any surprise security checks or being taken in for questioning. While I talk with an American accent (or no accent lol), I still look like an Arab, have an Arabic name and an Arabic passport, and the last thing I want for myself and the millions in my ethnic group to go through is having racist garbage people wanting you out of the plane because they shit themselves when they hear you talking in your native tongue.
If this is a hoax, it's not going to make people more aware of the situation. It's just going to make things worse for the rest of us who aren't rolling in YouTube money.
This shit is isn't something to joke about or to conduct a shitty social experiment. Being an Arab myself, I'm always nervous about flying to the States because I wouldn't know what the hell to do if anything like this happens to me. My mom always worries about me and asks me whether or not I made it through without any surprise security checks or being taken in for questioning. While I talk with an American accent (or no accent lol), I still look like an Arab, have an Arabic name and an Arabic passport, and the last thing I want for myself and the millions in my ethnic group to go through is having racist garbage people wanting you out of the plane because they shit themselves when they hear you talking in your native tongue.
If this is a hoax, it's not going to make people more aware of the situation. It's just going to make things worse for the rest of us who aren't rolling in YouTube money.
Audioboxer
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It's from the link the GAFer posted
http://www.mediaite.com/online/repo...disputing-adam-salehs-story-about-phone-call/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNYh_--S-eA
Yeah I can see this happening.
Catching up on all of the details now but yeah -- Delta is still at fault either way regardless of if the guy was making a YouTube Prank or not. I find it sad that people are completely dismissing this situation due to that alone.
Messofanego
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You all clearly didn't check your sources, which is something you need to be better at in this misinformation generation. That tweet claims these are terrorist pranks. None of you actually watched the videos because all he does is wear arabic clothes, sing and say numbers in Arabic while also getting a white guy from Brooklyn to learn the nunbers. It's not "9/11 baiting" or terrorist pranks. What he did doesn't constituents grounds to be kicked off a plane in those previous videos. I personally wouldn't even consider them pranks because he doesnt shout in Arabic or say "allahuakbar" or any other terrorist bait.
But hey, it satisfied your confirmation bias so you just ran with it. Check your sources, people. As of now, no contrary evidence has been produced to correct his claim that he was speaking to his mom in Arabic, so just hold off your horses.
archangelmorph
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Am I missing some context here?
Is there clear and decisive evidence that he was performing a prank?
Or did this thread just nosedive wholesale into Ad Hominem purely on the basis that some people on the internet are skeptical of his account on the basis of his profession?
Some questions...
- If there was some other reason why he was being kicked off the plane, why did literally none of the flight attendants or passengers question or challenge his account while he stood there with camera in hand raving loudly? They all just stood/sat around looking either bemused, self-shamed or gormless with not a single person seemingly speaking out against what he was saying?
- Some random guy gets up and starts questioning the airline staff as to why they are kicking him off. Again, if it was because of some prank (i.e. pretending to act genuinely intimidating / like a terrorist) then why did they not speak up and say so?
There really isn't anything at all in this video to add any credence to the idea that he was performing some kind of stunt, and whether you have a problem with his YT work or not should have no bearing here on that basis...
Did someone else actually come forward and give a clear account that he was doing something other than speaking to his mother in Arabic, as being the reason airline staff asked him to leave?
If not, can we stop manufacturing our own versions of the account based on conjectural accusations with no factual backing, or sentimental prejudice due to our assumed perceptions of his character, based on a few YT videos he may have done before...
Is there clear and decisive evidence that he was performing a prank?
Or did this thread just nosedive wholesale into Ad Hominem purely on the basis that some people on the internet are skeptical of his account on the basis of his profession?
Some questions...
- If there was some other reason why he was being kicked off the plane, why did literally none of the flight attendants or passengers question or challenge his account while he stood there with camera in hand raving loudly? They all just stood/sat around looking either bemused, self-shamed or gormless with not a single person seemingly speaking out against what he was saying?
- Some random guy gets up and starts questioning the airline staff as to why they are kicking him off. Again, if it was because of some prank (i.e. pretending to act genuinely intimidating / like a terrorist) then why did they not speak up and say so?
There really isn't anything at all in this video to add any credence to the idea that he was performing some kind of stunt, and whether you have a problem with his YT work or not should have no bearing here on that basis...
Did someone else actually come forward and give a clear account that he was doing something other than speaking to his mother in Arabic, as being the reason airline staff asked him to leave?
If not, can we stop manufacturing our own versions of the account based on conjectural accusations with no factual backing, or sentimental prejudice due to our assumed perceptions of his character, based on a few YT videos he may have done before...
... you know what, as dumb as it sounds, that's actually a very good point, considering the lengths youtubers go to making things look "authentic" while actually having rather high production values
nope; there's nothing to even suggest it
Audioboxer
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So it's an educational YouTube channel then? Sensational headlines and baiting for a YT stats game to make money isn't exactly displaying any sort of high and mighty behaviour when it is around such serious topics. None of it is illegal, but do keep in mind you don't need to do something illegal to trigger the lines of flight etiquette and potentially get yourself ejected. Like it or not travelling by plane due to history has become a sensitive matter, and people should be expected to get on planes and fly to their destination as respectfully as possible.
No one on a plane has time for a millennial filming shit and doing social experiments if it is what happened. Get on a plane, get in your seat and listen to music or watch shit like everyone else. Easy. No headaches. If you do all of that AND still managed to get harassed, then yeah, time to gun for the airline or passengers involved.
archangelmorph
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Then this thread is one big fuck up of an ad hominem based witch hunt and we should be pretty ashamed of ourselves right now...
Outside of maybe @Messofanego who clearly did some due diligence...
Seems like another perfect example of how quickly baseless suggestion can turn the tides of perceptions in this post-fact society...
Let's start being a little more intelligent people yeah?
Tom Nook Sawyer
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It's too early to say what exactly went down, including assuming the fact the video tells the whole story
It's too early to say what exactly went down, including assuming the fact the video tells the whole story
This isn't really credible in my opinion. It could be true, but I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
I watched those videos of him supposedly doing 'pranks' and they aren't pranks at all. The closest one of them gets is the one of them counting down in Arabic which one guy hears and notices the camera and laughs. That doesn't mean the guy could not have been pranking today, of course but those videos certainly don't condemn him either. Hell the 'Arabs on a plane" is literally him and his mate flying a plane. Either way, this was still incredibly shitty of the airline to kick them off and shame on the people saying 'Bye'.
jasminlovesyoux
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You're doing the same thing by manufacturing your version where the guy is innocent. The only proof of anything we have is he was escorted off a plane. That's the only fact anyone in the entire topic knows. I don't like how everyone's arguing in this thread. I think we're all against racism and hate here.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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As we all should until we have more details
archangelmorph
Member
Agreed.
"People on the plane dispute he was calling his mom"..?
They didn't do that in the video...
Also which "people"? The one's who felt "uncomfortable"..?
There's literally nothing of value in any of those tweets at all...
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
If he really can't access internet on that flight, boy is he gonna be mighty surprised to see how big this got in the past few hours. 17M views on his Facebook video.
Rimon-hanit
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I mean, if it looks like self-serving click bait and it talks like a self serving click bait...
Tom Nook Sawyer
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The video doesn't encompass the entirety of the events; we don't even know if it's representative of the entirety of what he recorded
archangelmorph
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I'm doing nothing of the sort.
I'm asking why we're assuming he's guilty and asking questions to firm up what evidence exists either way.
You didn't read what I wrote if you think I've stated anything beyond that.
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I watched the videos on question too and they are the most click bait titles imaginable. What the video says is barely what transpires. It's pretty crazy actually. Dudes more of a vlogger than a YouTube fake prankster yet by you looking at the vids titles you'd never know.
He got exactly what he wanted it's so fucking obvious.
archangelmorph
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Which is exactly my point...
So why are so many people in this thread making value judgements against the guy or his account when there's nothing to suggest it is or isn't bullshit?
DragonSworne
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Soledad is a hack. Passing on here say and fourth hand reports.
Do us a favor Soledad and interview the person that got thrown off the plane instead.
Buba Big Guns
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It's one thing to call something as fake when it's actually proven to be so, and another when it's purely based on conjecture. I get that people are skeptical of his accounts, but this type of incident has happened multiple times in the past. This thread delved into a discussion about this guys veracity and not the actual underlying problem was my issue in the first place, before it could even be proven that he was playing a huge prank.
Him speaking Arabic doesn't excuse the people that booted him, neither does him speaking loudly in Arabic, and neither does him counting arabic. Unless he was being a massive disturbance in the plane (which as far as I can tell, there's no precedent of him ever being that), the probability of there being a justifiable reason for him to be kicked off is low.
archangelmorph
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Basically the consensus seems to be
"I don't like [the fuck all I know about him, that someone told me on the internet] so it's right that people got uncomfortable and asked for him to be removed from the flight"
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I don't think anyone is assuming he's guilty of actual disruption, but just because he posted a video in the midst of being kicked from the plane doesn't prove his story either. There aren't enough facts. I guess you're just defending the guy because in a court of law you're innocent until proven guilty. But this is an internet forum and everyone thinking there's two sides to every tale is completely right to question what's going on. I'm just saying none of us should be arguing about it. I hope the detectives of the Internet get to the bottom of it though. For all of our sakes.
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