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Adventure Time Season 4 |OT| Thread of Water Elementals
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metsallica
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As much as I love the absurdity of this show, it really speaks volumes about the world, chanacters, and staff when they attempt (and pull off) something like that. While I long for more backstory, I think the delivery is so much more effective in dribs and drabs. Touching stuff.
ScraftyDevil
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Dang, that episode was poignant. It just makes me even more upset with Ash for selling Hambo >:|
metsallica
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Pretty sure she had fangs though. I think she was always a vampire.
Nice episode. I hate when they sing - the songs are sucky and awkward. But the development of Ice King and Marceline's back story was great. That last scene was terrific.
Ice King makes me sad
. Poor guy.
Season finale next week! Gonna be great.
I just wish the episodes were longer. I've felt like many of the recent episodes could have done so much more with a longer run time.
Ice King makes me sad
. Poor guy.Season finale next week! Gonna be great.
I just wish the episodes were longer. I've felt like many of the recent episodes could have done so much more with a longer run time.
This is the one thing I hate about this show. Whoever made this decision should be fired.
From a canon.
Into the sun.
EDIT: apologies for the double post.
If anyone wants to hear the demo for "Remember You".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzmlnbnenSI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzmlnbnenSI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Unspeakable Evil
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Great episode and it hit me right in the feels.
Been trying to work out if Marceline's dad is her dad, like, normally speaking, or her dad as in He Made Her This Way or something
get out
EmCeeGramr
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Jake's obvious hidden past as a PUA author as a running joke is becoming hilarious.
EmCeeGramr
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I'm pretty sure the first hints were his "tips" in Go With Me. Then his relationship tiers in Hot To The Touch. Finally the pick up book by "Jay T. Dogzone."
There's probably more, but the last two episodes have made it really obvious.
There's probably more, but the last two episodes have made it really obvious.
SeriousApes
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I didn't know there were so many tiers to relationships. Touching that horn for the first time. So good.
Finn of Ooo
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I like the mythos of adventure time is what makes it great, so to get more backstory on characters and the events that created Ooo is cool. Different people like different stuff, I like the occasional drama, it elevates the show to something higher than just a kids cartoon.
AlexMeloche
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Just watched it.
Amazing episode.
Amazing episode.
They've shown this "deepness" about him in previous episodes. I think that the drama/tragedy that hides under the silly antics and adventures make the show great.
I thought this was sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l67RK_tvaM
Here I thought I was the only one who didn't really like this episode. I like the world building and characterization of Adventure Time, but I liked it when it was more subtle and kind of in the background as a bonus easter egg, opposed to this episode which felt really ham fisted and kind of self-indulgent.
I've really enjoyed this season all around, but I feel like they've abandoned a lot of the subtly of previous seasons.
yeah
we didnt really need a second ice king sob story episode
Im cool with when they do something different like the snow golem episode, but the ice king was amusing because he was the guy who was just a plain dick right back to the pilot episode
WordAssassin
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I didn't want to say anything but I checked and Pen already talked about it at ComiCon this year so, you're going to get your wish. The last time I saw him outside of a Drink & Draw I asked him what he'd been up to and he said working on the Adventure Time movie. I don't know what it'll be about and it probably won't be feature length, but they're making one. Probably more like a made-for-TV movie that's 45 minutes long or something.
Also, holy shit at "I Remember You." I got goosebumps and could feel some tears forming, that was really intense. I'm on the side of the fence that likes the occasional serious episode. It's Pen's show, he wants the characters to be sincere and have actual depth instead of "just that dick from the pilot episode" as someone called Ice King. Plus for every backstory/dramatic episode we get, there's dozens and dozens of episodes like "The Hard Easy" that are just completely batshit crazy or solid adventuring episodes.
Hell, the season finale is another Lich episode, no doubt it's going to be totally badass action fighting adventure explosion.
Edit: HA holy CRAP I had no idea Paul F Thompkins was a voice in "Ignition Point"! He's friggin' amazing, been to a lot of his shows. Everyone should check out "The Dead Authors Podcast" and if you're in LA, they film it live at UCB every month. It's hilarious, I've laughed to the point of tears each time I've gone.
Oh my glob.
FlutterPuffs
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Huh.
I think the reason why he likes Princess Bubblegum so much is because she reminds him of his old fiancee. Pretty, and into science.
Also Ice King's broken axe guitar/synthesizer probably has something to do with Marceline too.
I think the reason why he likes Princess Bubblegum so much is because she reminds him of his old fiancee. Pretty, and into science.
Also Ice King's broken axe guitar/synthesizer probably has something to do with Marceline too.
The Hermit
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:O
Holy shit this episode! The mushroom war is becoming more and more the center of the plot. On one hand I want to know about the backstory, but on the other I do miss the wacky episodes.
Holy shit this episode! The mushroom war is becoming more and more the center of the plot. On one hand I want to know about the backstory, but on the other I do miss the wacky episodes.
Schadenfreude
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Just saw the new episode. It's so sad but also scary what happened to the Ice King. The crown kept him alive through the Mushroom War, but made him go completely insane. I know we'll probably never get answers to all our questions, but I'd really like to know where the crown and all the magic/fantasy-type stuff that exists in the Adventure Time universe came from. In the recent episode, a newspaper clipping shows Simon discovering the Enchiridion, so it seems really obvious that magical creatures like the cyclops with the healing tears and things like that used to exist before the modern world (i.e. our world) existed. But if that's the case, what happened to all that stuff? What caused all the magic in the world to disappear? These are the questions people.
Sidenote: Some of you need to stop acting like the show has become a soap opera. There are maybe like 3 serious episodes every season. Adventure Time still is and always will be the wacky show we all fell in love with.
Sidenote: Some of you need to stop acting like the show has become a soap opera. There are maybe like 3 serious episodes every season. Adventure Time still is and always will be the wacky show we all fell in love with.
I'm glad they're losing the subtle hints of the war for a more "This is actually a major part of the character's back story and the show as a whole."
There are only so many subtle hints one can give. Like, we get it - there was a war. But actually seeing *why* the war is important to the show is important. I want them to answer those questions.
The scene at the end of this episode reminded me of Futurama. it showed that this show can do more serious moments, without sacrificing the humor and craziness of the rest of the show. And I hope they continue giving us more and more looks at the war. They do seem to be building up to something with it - clearly it is more than just a background joke at this point.
Plus, as the post above me mentioned, most of the episodes this season have been wacky and fun.
There are only so many subtle hints one can give. Like, we get it - there was a war. But actually seeing *why* the war is important to the show is important. I want them to answer those questions.
The scene at the end of this episode reminded me of Futurama. it showed that this show can do more serious moments, without sacrificing the humor and craziness of the rest of the show. And I hope they continue giving us more and more looks at the war. They do seem to be building up to something with it - clearly it is more than just a background joke at this point.
Plus, as the post above me mentioned, most of the episodes this season have been wacky and fun.
I'm cool with the drama, it's just that I'm on the side of the fence that prefers when certain things are left unanswered, and the Mushroom Wars being a creepy, ominous event in Ooo's history that was only alluded to was one of the things I loved about Adventure Time.
There's been other more dramatic episodes, and episodes that have been straight forward when referencing the MW, that I've enjoyed or even loved, but to me this episode's writing felt really forced in trying to come off as dramatic and emotional, and it just put me off it completely. And I really like the Ice King, and Marceline is my favourite character, so I'm actually pretty disappointed.
There's been other more dramatic episodes, and episodes that have been straight forward when referencing the MW, that I've enjoyed or even loved, but to me this episode's writing felt really forced in trying to come off as dramatic and emotional, and it just put me off it completely. And I really like the Ice King, and Marceline is my favourite character, so I'm actually pretty disappointed.
Someone elsewhere compared this episode to having a relative with Alzheimers. My grandad had a stroke a few months ago and it's something like this (although he's about four times less lucid).
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DarkLegion
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I went ahead and paused the show at the newspaper clipping and tried to read it. From what I made out, Ice King's work was taken as a joke. He found the Enchiridion which had "rules of conduct." Makes you wonder if the war had something to do with the beliefs of the book. Pretty dark for a kid's show.
petethepanda
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Damn, sounds like I missed a great one. Hopefully my frigging DVR decided to record it this week.
Edit: Nope! Thanks dvr
Edit: Nope! Thanks dvr
One of the things I actually like about the present season is that "the background" has been pretty neatly redefined. Assuming that Finn and Jake are the main plot, then today's episode WAS in the background. Just like how the Graybles episode was "in the background" even though it was actually Fin and Jake who were, or in "Thank You" where there battle with the Ice King was passed over for the background story of the Snow Golem and Flame Wolf.
Finn and Jake's perspective is still pretty oblivious to the whole greater thing, and so is the Ice King's. At this point, Marceline is likely the only person who knows to any extent what happened, given that Ice King doesn't remember, Marceline's dad wouldn't care, and the Lich wouldn't tell you either way. I guess Grod might, but he won't tell us.
That said, this is the first time an episode of Adventure Time got me teary eyed. I'm a sucker for tragic relationships, and Marceline's ill-fated friendship with the biggest creep in Ooo is about as tragic as it gets.
Which is again why I love Ice King. He's a horrible, terrible, awful monster whose inappropriate attempts on women are, as Jake said, disgusting. But when he isn't being hilariously evil or pathetic, he is quite honestly the most heart-breaking character on the show.
Really, barring Finn, Ice King is probably the most fleshed out character on the show, and I applaud the writers for successfully making someone who can be as evil, pathetic, and tragic as the Ice King work. He's definitely this show's Bowser.
I'm kind of conflicted because I really liked the revelation that Ice King was originally Simon in 'Holly Jolly Secrets'. That reveal was enough for me when it came to exploring the Ice King's past, and I didn't really feel like anything else really needed to be said. I'm a big fan of unanswered questions.
What I loved about the older episodes of AT were all the things regarding Ooo's history were alluded to but never really fully addressed or directly referred to, so Marceline coming out and straight up saying that her and the Ice King had this previous relationship was a little weird/off-putting to me; it kind of disconnected me from the episode. I think I might've liked it better had Marceline never said anything directly about their relationship, even if they still showed it.
I don't know. It bugs me too because along with Finn, Marcie and Ice King are my favourite three characters in this show, so I technically should love this episode, but I don't. I think maybe if I rewatch it in the future, when I've come to accept the direction AT might be going in, I'll come to appreciate it. Right now I just feel like it was trying too hard and was kind of self-indulgent.
But substantially they didn't show anything except for the fact that a relationship existed and that Simon gave her the bear. The whole thing, the details anyway, are totally still shrouded in mystery. And that's still too much for you?
I feel you on being a little direct. The ice King's song was pretty blatant. But given time constraints, the target audience, and just adventure time's general style, I think it totally fits.
I feel you on being a little direct. The ice King's song was pretty blatant. But given time constraints, the target audience, and just adventure time's general style, I think it totally fits.
WordAssassin
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With regards to the question of where the magic came from: it's always been on Earth. Adventure Time takes place after humanity has been wiped out and magic has crept back into the world. That's not word-for-word what it says on the character test sheet but it's pretty close. I still don't think they'll every address it head-on in the show but we are to assume that there WAS magic, likely in medieval times, but as humanity took over the world magic lost to technology and went into hiding. After the Mushroom War, it came back.
and just what is the show's target audience?
million dollah question
why is it shown on cartoon network during the day?
Like the hat?
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Loved the episode, and love the direction the show seems to be going. Episodes like this make the whole universe if the series seem so much more real.
The format of the show would have been so easy to make every episode some entertaining but shallow 11 minute adventure, but they've done such a great job layering both the world and its characters with depth.
Semi-related, but I'm also amazed how lengthy some episodes feel despite only being 11 minutes long.
Semi-related, but I'm also amazed how lengthy some episodes feel despite only being 11 minutes long.
The target audience is clearly Marceline Bubblegum shippers. In this episode their rabid frenzy gained Marceline's discomfiture about Ice King singing about Bubblegum (which they will ignore was more about her being upset that her old friend had lost his mind completely) and Ice King's line "Whatever it is you're into" which wasn't explicitly men therefore it is Princess Bubblegum because have you met these shippers? They are rabid.
I think I sail alone on the Princess Bubblegum x Cinnamon Bun ship
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