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Alan Wake 2 reportedly runs at 840p 60 FPs on the PS5 Pro; Remedy responds, no confirmation, more details coming
CloudShiner
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
And I thought that Playstation Portal was the meanest and worst thing about Playstation.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
And some drink retarded expensive coffee that is digested through animals and some of us are great with Starbucks.
RyanEvans21
Member
Same Here! Some People change their premium phones yearly.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
sachos
Member
Wait so AW2 already run at that res on the base PS5 performance mode? So it seems the devs only changed FSR into PSSR... That would be so lazy. There is no way that it can't at least do 4K PSSR Performance.
Man it will be so annoying reading peoples takes without understanding AI upscalers resolution scales.
Man it will be so annoying reading peoples takes without understanding AI upscalers resolution scales.
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Topher
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Yeah....something isn't adding up here. This is why hands on analysis is needed.
"Next up, let's talk quality modes. Alan Wake 2 was designed for 30fps on consoles - and that's what you get in the quality mode. However, towards the end of development, Remedy added a performance option targeting 60fps. The key differentiator here is resolution, as you might expect. The quality mode uses FSR 2 to hit a 2160p output, with an internal resolution of 1270p. Performance mode again uses FSR 2, but this time with an output of 1440p and an internal resolution of 847p. Both modes look a touch softer than most other games with similar output resolutions though, perhaps owing to the lower-contrast artwork and heavy post-processing. Beyond resolution, the most obvious cutback in the performance mode is foliage density, which is considerably lower than the quality mode"
Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 - Remedy raises the bar for visuals yet again
The Digital Foundry verdict on Remedy's next big game.
www.eurogamer.net
diffusionx
Gold Member
Alan Wake 2 sold so badly maybe Remedy doesn't have the money to work on their patch.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
They probably do.
Who knows exactly how the company is structured, but it seems their games cost a lot to make, take a while, and they always need to partner up with a big company to fund and publish their games. These companies probably take most of the money leaving Remedy left with scraps to add to corporate coffers. They'll get money to fund the game, but it sure seems they are in a never ending cycle needing funds because their sales are never good enough to cover dev and publishing. So they always need a big company to help.
Luipadre
Gold Member
Its most likely using higher settings too, maybe even higher than quality mode
Pimpbaa
Member
Yeah, I’m sure PSSR will make that res look much nicer than FSR did but why the fuck is a more powerful GPU running at the same base resolution? Maybe they turned up the console equivalent of PC game graphic sliders. Running the various graphic effects at a higher setting than the base PS5. It’s gotta be that, lazy 3rd party support for the pro this early would be a bad look for Sony. Even if the game sold like shit.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
So Starbucks.
Luipadre
Gold Member
Yes its most likely using quality settings or even better ones
SegaSnatcher
Member
Programmers speak in euphemisms such as: "pretty neat right"
Which means "That is fucking awesome"
"clarifying" means "no dumbass this is how it works"
Mark Cerny was a child prodigy going to Berkley at the age of 17. But now he writing emails to explain his invention to non technical people. It seems you are unaware how important he has been for the gaming industry. Look at his Wikipedia page it's insane. He had to drop his work and instead write a email to rectify DF. Probably the email first went through playstation PR department.
Second point.
It seems you totally miss the point of how companies work. Business is business, and DF has outreach while PlayStation wants to sell products to them.
It's called leverage; the goal is to sell more products.
They did just stiff them by going to CNET.
There are others that are xbox influences that playstation still has relationships with for example Paris.
The goal is to get to talk about playstation, because it still helps with awareness of the products they are selling. And even you with a 4090 is still in the market for ps5 pro.
Even if DF is negative, they still make video after video about the product.
Why are they doing such ridiculous thumbnails? Have they really lowered themselves to that?
Saberus
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Youtube is full of video's with Stupid thumbnails, at times.. I like to reach through the screen and punch someone.. lol
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No person should be great with Starbucks. There's heaps cheaper and better coffee to be had. At least in this neck of the woods.
So. As you see my friend. It's not just a matter of cost, but rather perception.
ShadyAcshuns
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How come it's always edgy teens who work at McDonalds who says dumb shit like this?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
sachos
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Thats good to hear. Lets hope they can actually target at least 4k PSSR Performance and not 1440P Balance for release.
Bojji
Member
Ai upscaling is not magic, once there is not enough data to reconstruct end result won't be very "4k like". Resolution below 900p is definietly not enough for that...
R3EUIL
Member
They showed games running at 60FPS and with higher image quality than the fidelity mode of the PS5, so I think it is possible
Bojji
Member
Last of us was using 1440p TAA mode from PS5 vs. 1440p PSSR mode from Pro. You can have very high quality image with 1440p base resolution but not so much with 854p...
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
To be fair they have the money they earnt from digital sales, maybe a better update will come after the physical release
R3EUIL
Member
But that's just what we have so far, we don't know the image quality of the game that was using 854p, probably just upscaled to 1440p, but probably 1080p is a good point to get to 4K
Bojji
Member
1080p is absolutely fine with good ai upscaling, I use dlss performance in many games.
But devs are of course pushing it, just like they did with fsr2...
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Vick
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No. 1440p PSSR to 4K 60fps looked considerably better than native 4K TAA + Sharpening 30fps on PS5. In more than one way, as already posted many times.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Starbucks is like drinking dirty dishwater.
Topher
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Vick
Gold Member
He's just a tasteless individual all around, if you're familiar with the user.
Bojji
Member
I don't think Sony video compared 4k 30fps mode vs pro performance mode side by side. Just performance mode vs performance mode.
But I'm not sure about that and could be wrong.
kevboard
Member
most people don't know how it works.
there are still people who think the AI actually looks at a low res image and then makes a higher res version of it. when in reality the image gets at first created just like FSR does it, by jittering the camera and gathering information across multiple frames and by using motion data.
the machine learning algorithms then look at the image as it's being created and removes what it deems to be an error while replacing it with details it thinks should be there instead.
so the first few steps of XeSS, DLSS and PSSR are the same as FSR. it's just that the ML step tries to remove and replace artifacts
Bojji
Member
You are right, it's there before that P vs. P modes part.
It definitively looks really good with 1440p as a base resolution (even better than native in some aspects like what happened with DS1 on nvidia gpus).
boris1979
Neo Member
Everything is ok.
Final res on pro at 60 fps will be 4k or near it and on ps5 is 1440 p so it will use additional power. Upsampling res has big cost. Same last of us native 1440 p versus 1440 p upsampled to 4k on pro.
Zathalus
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I’d wager some other settings were increased as well, no way to for DF to confirm anything bar resolution and RT reflections in the brief footage they had. But even if they didn’t bother the game will look way better, FSR2 is pretty bad in this game so PSSR will clean the image up quite nicely.Yeah....something isn't adding up here. This is why hands on analysis is needed.
"Next up, let's talk quality modes. Alan Wake 2 was designed for 30fps on consoles - and that's what you get in the quality mode. However, towards the end of development, Remedy added a performance option targeting 60fps. The key differentiator here is resolution, as you might expect. The quality mode uses FSR 2 to hit a 2160p output, with an internal resolution of 1270p. Performance mode again uses FSR 2, but this time with an output of 1440p and an internal resolution of 847p. Both modes look a touch softer than most other games with similar output resolutions though, perhaps owing to the lower-contrast artwork and heavy post-processing. Beyond resolution, the most obvious cutback in the performance mode is foliage density, which is considerably lower than the quality mode"
Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 - Remedy raises the bar for visuals yet again
The Digital Foundry verdict on Remedy's next big game.
I don't see the difference.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Most don’t with the PS5 and PS5 Pro either.
DenchDeckard
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Guys. Remember its OK to point and laugh when the series s is 720p 60 fps and say things like
"720p in 2024"
But don't you dare pick on the other plastic box that costs 700 pounds and say simular statements when it's pumping out an incredible 840p
"720p in 2024"
But don't you dare pick on the other plastic box that costs 700 pounds and say simular statements when it's pumping out an incredible 840p
Puscifer
Member
I thought there was rt in the console version?
Skifi28
Member
The series S doesn't have AI reconstruction, but you knew that already. Also, it's mostly laughed at when resolutions drop in the 400p range like Starfield.
Trilobit
Member
I always had a mental picture that they go around collecting poop from freeroaming wild creatures, but the truth is more like overfilled cages.
Caio
Member
Let’s not turn into fanboys, folks, there’s already enough of that going around. The PS5 Pro is a beast, way more powerful than the XSX or the base PS5. The real issue? It’s the software, not the hardware. Seriously, it’s time to grow up and face facts while you still can. And yes, this is coming from someone who adores his XSX and hasn’t even touched a PS5 yet. Go figure.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Just wait till you see what the plastic in their cups is doing!
And this is overblown and who gives a shit when this is speculation before release of this? Come to us when the facts are there and see how it impacts our enjoyment of this.
I won't give 2 shits about Adan Wayne 2 either way.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Guys. Remember its OK to point and laugh when the series s is 720p 60 fps and say things like
"720p in 2024"
But don't you dare pick on the other plastic box that costs 700 pounds and say simular statements when it's pumping out an incredible 840p
Xbox fans love portraying themselves as the victim.
Let's go back to 2020.
The Xbox Series S was marketed as a 1440p console. Xbox fans said the PlayStation 5 would be competing with the Xbox Series S and not the Xbox Series X (Hello Ricky).
Xbox fans were all about Full RDNA 2 and how the PlayStation 5 didn't support ML, VRS, and Mesh Shaders.
We're not 4 years into the generation and there's still no active support for ML on Xbox Series consoles and now Xbox fans want to pretend they have no idea how ML works.
Funny.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Im just pissing around, mate.
Honestly, the base resolution isnt a big deal if PSSR can fix the image. I was just making fun at those that make those kinds of statements.