Same res and it's using FSR2 which is the worst upscaler around. If you think that upscaling looked good you're gonna cream your pants when you see DLSS on PC.
Fanboy of what? Xbox? You can be Xbox fanboy without owning Xbox? Thats new!
You're pretending like you know nothing about ML.
You must like the new thing, or else you are a fanboy of the other thing.
Why use the native resolution as a benchmark then, when they literally added PSSR, an AI-powered resolution upscaler?
Series S is 30fps @ 720p.Guys. Remember its OK to point and laugh when the series s is 720p 60 fps and say things like
"720p in 2024"
But don't you dare pick on the other plastic box that costs 700 pounds and say simular statements when it's pumping out an incredible 840p
I think we should ban the S word until the creoles wake up in a few hours. We have enough horrors with the dripping oil that people serve in Scandinavia.
Hold that comment until newer games are optimized for it and some quality direct feed sources are available. Most "older" games will just use the same internal res as the PS5 port with PSSR enabled. Understandable since it's a much quicker patch to make. 3rd parties only cares about the Pro sticker on the box. Sony studios will probably make a better effort of selling the damn thing with a proper patch. All games going forward should be better optimized for the Pro as well.
You mean most new AAA releases with maxed out ray tracing. Otherwise, it does run most games at native 4K60fps, but if you throw in ray tracing in the latest games, of course not.
And it also costs ~$200.
Yup, just replying to this part:
Not sure what's been done with this on the Pro, at the moment it appears they might've just switched FSR for PSSR. Same res as base PS5/X. We'll find out soon-ish though.
Yes, he stated his opinion about internal res and said don't take this as confirmation of anything. It may very well be true but you taking his statement exactly the wrong way he said not to is funny.
You OK?
DForce
saying its end users being disingenuous to call Sony out on it?
Xbox One wasn't using any tech to improve the image quality, it was just scaling it to 1080p. You'd still see it as 720p blurry shit.I just cant believe the takes I am reading about this console. Suddenly users are turning into Aaron Greenberg levels of spinning and twisting over this box. If these numbers are true. Sony are clearly on video saying it's 4k60 or even 8k60. We know what the average consumer is going to think hearing that. Yet we have users like
All good though thanks for the hug, it's nice x
Everyday I wake up wondering how my love for you can continue to grow, and you always surprise me.
I cant believe you are living in this thread.I just cant believe the takes I am reading about this console. Suddenly users are turning into Aaron Greenberg levels of spinning and twisting over this box. If these numbers are true. Sony are clearly on video saying it's 4k60 or even 8k60. We know what the average consumer is going to think hearing that. Yet we have users like
All good though thanks for the hug, it's nice x
Everyday I wake up wondering how my love for you can continue to grow, and you always surprise me.
Series S: 720p 30fpsGuys. Remember its OK to point and laugh when the series s is 720p 60 fps and say things like
"720p in 2024"
But don't you dare pick on the other plastic box that costs 700 pounds and say simular statements when it's pumping out an incredible 840p
PS5 doesn't have the hardware for it.
So for idiots like me, that mean there is some kind of chip inside the Pro that's cooking PSSR but the normal PS5 doesn't have it, right?
Did we have an official source with the information about the special hardware on the PS5 Pro?
Ray reconstruction is available on Turing (RTX 20) GPUs and above. Frame Generation is only for Lovelace (RTX 40) and above.
Yes, it's hardware. The regular PS5 doesn't have the hardware to process ML-based upscaling. Same reason the GTX 10 series can't do DLSS.
Frame gen is a bit of a mixed bag. On the one hand, NVIDIA claims that the slower optical flow accelerators on the 30 series and before aren't good enough to give satisfactory results for frame generation, but on the other hand, AMD frame generation seems alright. Not as good as NVIDIA, but I believe it's passable most of the time. NVIDIA could have simply made it for Turing and Ampere (they do have optical flow accelerators) and just told people it ain't gonna be as good as on Lovelace instead of not making it available at all.
My guess, so that it can be used for a lot more GPU's old and new. It AMD's unique selling point for FSR.
Yeah, DLSS is AI-accelerated, which produces better results than FSR. Same for PSSR.
Because they don’t have the ML hardware for that as of RDNA3. They mentioned that they will eventually move to AI-accelerated upscaling, presumably with RDNA4.
Damn, I knew AMD was lacking behind Nvidia with FSR vs DLSS but didn't know they were so far behind.
That comparison is so disingenuous.
As was discussed in the Pro Speculation thread RDNA3 does have the necessary features to run PSSR, and RDNA2 can run it at half that efficiency but that will require AMD to provide their own solution, which without hardware partitioning is a minefield for them disrupting other gaming performance, and probably best left to RDNA4 or RDNA5 if PlayStation do them a sweet licensing deal, or left as a per game solution for ports of PlayStation games, assuming PlayStation were happy to bring their solution across.
AI-reconstructed images is another way to render a native image. This is because of the output target, which at the end of the day is all that matters with AI.
Yes, its some kinda chip inside the Pro. Well, more specifically, its some kinda processing unit whose sole task is to handle Matrix math. AKA AI. And yes, base PS5 doesn't have it.
You don't need AI cores to do frame-gen. As your example has shown and AMD GPUs (even the consoles) has shown. Nvidia was just paywal.... GPU walling that feature.
Native resolutions matter just not as much as they used to. And this is something that people either have a really hard time accepting, or people use as a means to stomp on something else even when they have a proper understanding of it.
Watch the reveal video again, that's as official a source as you are gonna get. Until RDNA4 GPUs from AMD is released and it has the same tech inside them that is.
I thought they couldn't even run it efficiently on RDNA3. Good to know they actually can.
Most likely the real reason. The OFA excuse always sounded like that, an excuse.
Because it's cheaper. Don't have to spend money on hardware but the downside is worse results. With no hardware more GPU can use FSR. I always have hated FSR and that's why i want to see what PSSR can do in Pro.
