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[RavionUHD]

864P internally does not look good, thats equals too 1440P in Balanced Upscale Quality and that is pretty blurry even with DLSS.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I KNEW they would hit framerate and resolution limitations on the PS5 Pro fairly early in it’s life because games are becoming more demanding as time goes on, but I didn’t expect constraints so quickly if this is legitimate. IMO, this is inexcusable when you are asking such an exorbitant amount for an upgrade.

 

[sachos]

Found this video running AW2 with a 3070 Ti to check what to expect from the Pro patch. Its running a 13700K though so i dont know how much influence could the CPU in the Pro have here.

It can play it 4K Performance Low Settings at 60FPS


It could also do 4K Performance High Settings at 30FPS


Here are the PS5 Settings for reference


It seems they should be able to run the game at a higher input/output resolution than what is currelenty running in the trailer (if they keep the original quality settings the same).

 

[Slothbeing1209]

Didn't Alan wake 2 run 840p in PS5 amateur too? I think Remedy just slapped Pssr in and think that's good enough. It doesn't mean Ps5 pro can't run it in higher resolution, they just choose not to.

 

[sachos]

Didn't Alan wake 2 run 840p in PS5 amateur too? I think Remedy just slapped Pssr in and think that's good enough. It doesn't mean Ps5 pro can't run it in higher resolution, they just choose not to.

Yeah, the only explanation would be if they are running the Performance mode with higher settings than base PS5.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Just came by this post

Thread 'Digital Foundry to stop counting Pixels in 2022.' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digital-foundry-to-stop-counting-pixels-in-2022.1627523/

 

[DenchDeckard]

Going by the footage on DF, which was a few seconds, lol!

It just looks a little soft on the resolution side, but knowing remedy I bet they are pumping some extra effects into those pixels.

 

[mckmas8808]

Found this video running AW2 with a 3070 Ti to check what to expect from the Pro patch. Its running a 13700K though so i dont know how much influence could the CPU in the Pro have here.

It can play it 4K Performance Low Settings at 60FPS


It could also do 4K Performance High Settings at 30FPS


Here are the PS5 Settings for reference


It seems they should be able to run the game at a higher input/output resolution than what is currelenty running in the trailer (if they keep the original quality settings the same).

Looks like they are lowering the resolution, to have higher settings at 60fps to me. Good trade off, in theory. We'll still need to see the end product.

 

[boris1979]

PSSR doesn't cost 45% extra rasterization. Again, if the graphical settings are exactly the same it makes no sense why this can't be 1080p 60fps internal upscaled to 1440p/4K. Upscaling from a higher internal res will always look better.

PSSR is simply the bare minimum we should expect, ideally Devs should also take advantage of the overall better GPU and Ram setup as well.

On pro final output res will be 1700p min against 1440 p on ps5 so it has more cost. At 30 fps native and output res is the same so ray tracing will be added.

 

[boris1979]

So there's something wrong.
It's the same resolution of the PS5 performance mode which makes no sense if they're utilizing the system given the much more powerful GPU.
It would mean at this point their patch is a barebone PSRR support thrown in or there's something wrong with the analysis.
In either case it seems it's something Remedy should comment on.

You dont understand that upsampling has price. Output res will be 1700p min against 1440p on ps5. At 30 fps native and output same so effects like ray-tracing will be added.

 

[ChiefDada]

 

[Luipadre]

Yeah lets just wait and see how it actually looks. After FF7 im expecting better image quality in 60 fps mode than the current quality mode which is still blurry

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

864P internally does not look good, thats equals too 1440P in Balanced Upscale Quality and that is pretty blurry even with DLSS.

This^^. The real problem with the Pro isn't price, it's that we're totally dependent on whether Devs will do a good job ...or patch their games at all ..

 

[sachos]

Seems like they are actively working on it no? Hope they can improve on what they've shown so far and surprise us.
The 7700XT already can do 38 FPS at native 1080p Max Settings + Max RT (no pathtracing).
Thats 1/38 = 26.31ms per frame, add 2ms for PSSR upscaling = 28.31ms per frame, well within budget for 4K PSSR Performance Max settings + Max RT at 30fps.
If the Pro trully is better at RT than a 7700XT oh boy.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/alan-wake-2-performance-benchmark/7.html
(All of this assuming no VRAM or memory bandwith or CPU issues)

 

[TGO]

Guys. Remember its OK to point and laugh when the series s is 720p 60 fps and say things like

"720p in 2024"

But don't you dare pick on the other plastic box that costs 700 pounds and say simular statements when it's pumping out an incredible 840p

The difference is the game on series s actually looks 720p.
The games people are bringing up the internal resolution don't look like their internal resolution.
This is clearly a early look with them just switching the the upscaling method.
The final patch will likely be higher and look better.
But the internal resolution doesn't matter, it's what AI upscaling results looks like that matters.
And that's how developers are tackling this these days, so taking its internal resolution and running with it is kinda silly.

 

[fallingdove]

The PS3s problem was entirely the price, it was $1,000 here on launch and they got smashed by the 360 for that reason solely and being late to launch.

There was no difference in graphics at the time for CoD & FIFA if anything 360 had the advantage and was cheaper.

Nah, development issues were a MUCH bigger problem. Releases were very infrequent and 3rd party titles looked and performed terribly. Things started to turn around about the time the slim launched but the price tag a small part of a much bigger problem.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

So wish armchair engineers would just stop yapping. So many people putting misinformation and their assumptions out as facts. You don’t know how this was designed or what it’s actually capable of. There are going to be some massive improvements and some meh implementation of this technology. It’s all going to come down to tools and experience.

I’m personally wanting pssr to get to the point where developers can design every game at 1080p with all the bells and whistles internal resolution and have pssr / dlss etc upscale to 4k. Hopefully PS6 will allow this.

It would be such a massive failure if the PS5 Pro wouldn't be the console to do that ...what have we been waiting all this time for and at $700 no less

 

[DenchDeckard]

The difference is the game on series s actually looks 720p.
The games people are bringing up the internal resolution don't look like their internal resolution.
This is clearly a early look with them just switching the the upscaling method.
The final patch will likely be higher and look better.
But the internal resolution doesn't matter, it's what AI upscaling results looks like that matters.
And that's how developers are tackling this these days, so taking its internal resolution and running with it is kinda silly.

Almost valid point. The games on series s don't look 720p they are using scaler texh just like any other system but people still rag on the internal res.

Rhe big difference and where the pro deserves props is it's the first ML upscaling used in a console so it's considerably better than the ones used in consoles up to now. So it looks almost identical to true 4k with some small artifacts.

Series s does not look like 720p just no where near as good as PSSR

 

[boris1979]

Wait so AW2 already run at that res on the base PS5 performance mode? So it seems the devs only changed FSR into PSSR... That would be so lazy. There is no way that it can't at least do 4K PSSR Performance.
Man it will be so annoying reading peoples takes without understanding AI upscalers resolution scales.

It will not same res. Upsampling res will be 1700p min so it have additional cost. 30 fps mode will have same res so ray tracing will be added.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

I probably have pretty low standards tbh. I still play my PS3 and think games look good

Honestly PS3 games can look good at native res. In the same way Mario Sunshine or Windwaker on Gamecube looks great on a 480i CRT, then there's stuff like Super Mario World 2 on Super Nintendo, all of them gorgeous games even today.