Alien Earth Open Spoiler Thread

Presumably there was also a lot of work put in to the consciousness transfer and synthtic tech has also been around for decades at this point in the show - the twitchy A2s being well in the past.
The show takes place a few years before Alien so the twitchy A2's are still a current thing there. The show points out Wendy and a couple of others are the first to have this type of consciousness transfer(could be a lie but that's the info we have atm).
They were sent to help with a rescue mission in a friendly city, it was obviously reckless, although the expected risk would be from unstable structures or one of the kid/synth hybrids going psychotic and murdering a bunch of people. The worth of the hybrids is stated as billions - a drop in the ocean for a guy with his own personal fortune being in the trillions - and presumably most of the important valuable tech is that which allows the consciousness transfer not the actual hybrid synths. Plus he states his main reason for the whole project is just to have someone interesting to talk to.
It's hardly a friendly city, it's run by a competitor. Maybe billions is just pocket change to the guy but it's comically absurd risking billions so easily for flimsy reason when he has the resources to send more experiences people to make retrievals and the guy could have controlled testing environment for his new toys.
In pure dollar value Musk probably made a bigger reckless decision to buy twitter and then again when he rebranded it to X.
He probably did that out for ideological reason seeing how twitter was run like an echo chamber. Twitter/X started becoming profitable not so long ago so I'm not really seeing it as a reckless move by him.
It just seems strange to get hooked up upon - a trillionaire making an impulsive decision just for the fuck of it seems perfectly normal and in character.
Fit and normal for the character remains to be seen. It's doubtful he got that wealthy by being that way and megacorps don't stay that by wasting billions on whimsical decisions.
 
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There is no real reason why xenos need to be homogeneous. Have some create eggs via a queen, others dissolve a host into a cocoon, etc. Even a variant using the black goo just to keep Ridley Scott happy.
I hope there's a future movie where we get to see a xeno bred by David which instead of killing anyone, traps and monologues endlessly about its basic knowledge of philosophy. So that the victim has no other option than to kill themselves to get out of it.
 
Seeing as they are going the science route, I'm intrigued to find out if they answer the biggest question - how does a 6 inch tall alien become an 8 foot tall Alien with no food source? Either it is somehow packing all the energy and material in that tiny body - or it uses something completely different for food - rock, metal etc?
Wasn't that answered in Promotheus? they spawn from the black goo, and have insane properties, they can suck up nutrients from anything and grow big in the matter of minutes.
 
Wasn't that answered in Promotheus? they spawn from the black goo, and have insane properties, they can suck up nutrients from anything and grow big in the matter of minutes.
I was assuming (hoping) we were going to back away from full on black goo AI nano particle DNA altering biological weapon explanations. Think someone may have hit on it earlier in the thread and they will have the black goo being part of the explanation but ignore some of the full on craziness.
 
I was assuming (hoping) we were going to back away from full on black goo AI nano particle DNA altering biological weapon explanations. Think someone may have hit on it earlier in the thread and they will have the black goo being part of the explanation but ignore some of the full on craziness.
I always thought that Yutani knew of the goo and it's reason why they want the alien, that Ridley built this into the story from the start.
 
Feels more like a good youtube fan show at this point. Maybe in a universe before fallout and the last of us it would be fine but as it is, its struggling to be average.

As an old school fan, the alien is inconsistent too. Mind bending fast in some scenes, but too slow to chase down the clumsy brother into that elevator.

Murders an entire room of people and soldiers with guns in seconds, but can't pull away from the main actress(super strong android!) And suddenly can't use its tail, which before they made it out like a razor whip being lashed at lightspeed with stupid range.
 
No clue, but that's the only thing that would still make sense at this point.
I read up on it, and apparently, when David created the Xenomorph in Covenant, it was intended as a sort of revelation of how David is the true evil. The engineers made people, and people made David, who in turn destroyed the engineers. In Ridleys eyes, David is the ultimate bad guy, not the Xenos.

In the original movie, Alien was in fact intended to be a mysterious animal they happened upon, and the eggs were supposed to mutate into excistence, not come from a queen.

But when Cameron made the queen as an egglayer in Aliens, and the comics and Aliens Vs Predator introduced aliens as ancient creators, Ridley got frustrated because, in his view, it was now just another monster.

David using the goo to make the Xenos is Ridley taking the lore back.

But since Alien Earth is set later, they could use the goo in that show as well, as it makes sense that they would know about it by now.
 
Murders an entire room of people and soldiers with guns in seconds, but can't pull away from the main actress(super strong android!) And suddenly can't use its tail, which before they made it out like a razor whip being lashed at lightspeed with stupid range.

That's my biggest problem with the show so far.
I don't really care about it staying consistent with the movies and established lore, but it can't even stay consistent with itself.
-The Alien goes from murdering an entire room of people and a group of armed soldiers in literally 5 seconds, and then it struggles to kill the brother in like 3 consecutive encounters.
-The kids/androids are supposed to be both a big secret and multi billion dollar investment, but then they expose both their existence and physical integrity for no real reason.
-We are shown and told the kids/androids are under 24/7 monitoring and yet it seems like they'll pretend that not only will no one notice one of them has been implanted with some chip, but they also won't notice him having conversations while alone (or that the redhead girl seems increasingly more unstable).
 
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I've been enjoying this show immensely. There are some plot points I think were kind of dumb, but I can roll with it. The three leads of Wendy, Kirsch, and Morrow are awesome.

And such a pretty show. The cinematography is something else.

I find the needle drops at the end of each episode perplexing.
 
So it seems that this is the third Alien timeline.

You have the official Ridley one, with the engineers, and David making the Xenomorph. The first four films alongside Prometheus, Covenant and Romulus.

The second timeline is the games and comics, as well as the two AvP movies. Here, the Aliens have existed for millions of years and you have many different versions of Aliens, like the king and the armored ones.

Alien Earth is different, the story doesn't fit into any of these. It's based on the Ridley films but ignores Prometheus and Covenant. We will know more as the show goes on, but it seems likely that the people making this will just do whatever they want.
 
So it seems that this is the third Alien timeline.

You have the official Ridley one, with the engineers, and David making the Xenomorph. The first four films alongside Prometheus, Covenant and Romulus.

The second timeline is the games and comics, as well as the two AvP movies. Here, the Aliens have existed for millions of years and you have many different versions of Aliens, like the king and the armored ones.

Alien Earth is different, the story doesn't fit into any of these. It's based on the Ridley films but ignores Prometheus and Covenant. We will know more as the show goes on, but it seems likely that the people making this will just do whatever they want.
Oh the bolded is absolutely great news as those movies suck ass.
 
I came back from vacation and started watching Alien Earth out of a sense of duty as a fan of the universe. I began watching with the attitude:

Okay, this probably won't be a typical ALIEN, but there's no point in complaining, you can also see some new concepts in the universe (it doesn't have to be a horror movie and the characters don't always have to be adults), there's no point in being negative.

But even with this attitude, the series is difficult to watch for someone who thinks a little, here are a few examples:

EXAMPLE 1


What really bothered me was the PLOT ARMOR... every time the alien fights minor characters, it's like a wild boar on a truffle hunt:

- a group of people playing dressed in period costumes (no problem, it comes in and everyone dies in the blink of an eye)

- a group of soldiers, the moment the alien breaks free from the bag (no problem, it bursts in and everyone dies in the blink of an eye)

but every time he is about to attack a character important to the plot, it looks completely different: the alien either retreats (the moment with the container) or approaches and very slowly bares his fangs (so that, of course, at the last moment something could save the poor wretch, e.g., the doctor). We see this pattern repeatedly

and it's terribly weak. After a while, we feel that certain characters are much safer than others, you just feel it, and I consider it a major flaw (the Game of Thrones series, for example, did not have this flaw).

EXAMPLE 2

Someone rightly pointed out another stupid thing about the series, namely:

"99% of children would die of fright after encountering a 5-meter monster. Here, the children seem scared, but they're basically chill—nothing unusual has happened. The level of absurdity is gargantuan, the character's behavior is ridiculous—okay, he's a child, let's move on, everything is fine. How low has blockbuster cinema fallen that on such channels the creator is satisfied with such trash (well, it's disgusting, but you get your fill, so it's all good)" (end of quote)

and I agree with the above. Of course, "experts" immediately appeared who wrote:

"These are children's minds in bodies incapable of human-like emotions. Synthetic bodies can only simulate emotions. That's why there's such a dichotomy here. On the one hand, the mind feels it should be afraid, on the other, the body is not afraid." (end of quote)

Really? Then why, for example, in the scene where two children hide behind Kirsh's back during the encounter with the cyborg (Morrow),

so what? The sight of a stranger does not make any impression on them (you could say it's child's play, they can even fight him in hand-to-hand combat), but talking to a cyborg terrifies them "in bodies incapable of emotion"?

It's clear that the series is ill-conceived and the script is a total mess.

EXAMPLE 3

There is an egg containing a dangerous organism, and a group of volunteers cuts it open with a circular saw without any protection except for ridiculous goggles (they didn't even have face protection). I would understand if the series was set in the Middle Ages, but it's the year 2100-something. The egg should be separated from its surroundings, and all operations should be performed on it by robotic arms (even taking retrofuturism into account, this is easily doable). And I don't buy the explanation that "they don't need to protect themselves because they're not human." That's just stupid.

EXAMPLE 4

Why has no one in the series yet raised the issue that these sick children are actually dying and not being transferred to new bodies? Their consciousness is being copied, but this is not a new life, just a copied mind. The series constantly emphasizes that these new children are very intelligent and have modern brains and a lot of data in them, but none of these children, including the main character, have ever considered for a moment that they are not the same people, but copied minds, and that the other people (the sick children) were simply deceived and died. I don't understand this at all. Even the main character and her brother don't talk about it. The brother asks her a few simple questions when they meet "again," and then assumes that "okay, this is really my sister" and boom, everything is fine XD, and this is a medic, a person with some medical knowledge, so for me it's totally absurd that no one talked about it or questioned it. Even if, by some miracle, it turned out that this technology really transfers the soul to another body (let's assume), such doubts should still arise, but instead there is nothing, complete silence, everything is okay.

I could give more examples, but I don't want to go on and on. I think you get the point. The series was probably made in a great hurry because the amount of nonsense is overwhelming, and the biggest flaw is that all these idiotic things completely destroy the immersion while watching.
 
Just watched the third episode. At this point, the only bits I'm interested in are when Timothy Olyphant is on the screen, the rest is basically a soap opera of filler.

Shame, it could've been so much more. But as with most shows like this, the story just isn't there to fit over so many episodes.
 
the only bits I'm interested in are when Timothy Olyphant is on the screen,
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He is the most interesting character.


I think the way we watch shows and are hyper critical afterwords so we can all talk on the internet, ruins a lot of TV.
 
He is the most interesting character.


I think the way we watch shows and are hyper critical afterwords so we can all talk on the internet, ruins a lot of TV.
No, I think we have TOO MANY nerds around one digital watercooler. Back in the day a show like this would be mostly watched by "regular folk" who are easily impressed by the ideas thrown about and we would be that "one guy" who can think an idea past it's fist implication. But with the internet its ALL nerds who can shred any idea apart so its natural that it goes this way.

If the narrative can catch up and provide an emotional or intellectual ride then the little nitpicks tends to fall away, in my experience.
 
No, I think we have TOO MANY nerds around one digital watercooler. Back in the day a show like this would be mostly watched by "regular folk" who are easily impressed by the ideas thrown about and we would be that "one guy" who can think an idea past it's fist implication. But with the internet its ALL nerds who can shred any idea apart so its natural that it goes this way.

If the narrative can catch up and provide an emotional or intellectual ride then the little nitpicks tends to fall away, in my experience.

This is some pretty nerdy stuff to say. better adjust your pocket protector.

Kate Winslet GIF
 
I came back from vacation and started watching Alien Earth out of a sense of duty as a fan of the universe. I began watching with the attitude:

Okay, this probably won't be a typical ALIEN, but there's no point in complaining, you can also see some new concepts in the universe (it doesn't have to be a horror movie and the characters don't always have to be adults), there's no point in being negative.

But even with this attitude, the series is difficult to watch for someone who thinks a little, here are a few examples:

EXAMPLE 1


What really bothered me was the PLOT ARMOR... every time the alien fights minor characters, it's like a wild boar on a truffle hunt:

- a group of people playing dressed in period costumes (no problem, it comes in and everyone dies in the blink of an eye)

- a group of soldiers, the moment the alien breaks free from the bag (no problem, it bursts in and everyone dies in the blink of an eye)

but every time he is about to attack a character important to the plot, it looks completely different: the alien either retreats (the moment with the container) or approaches and very slowly bares his fangs (so that, of course, at the last moment something could save the poor wretch, e.g., the doctor). We see this pattern repeatedly

and it's terribly weak. After a while, we feel that certain characters are much safer than others, you just feel it, and I consider it a major flaw (the Game of Thrones series, for example, did not have this flaw).

EXAMPLE 2

Someone rightly pointed out another stupid thing about the series, namely:

"99% of children would die of fright after encountering a 5-meter monster. Here, the children seem scared, but they're basically chill—nothing unusual has happened. The level of absurdity is gargantuan, the character's behavior is ridiculous—okay, he's a child, let's move on, everything is fine. How low has blockbuster cinema fallen that on such channels the creator is satisfied with such trash (well, it's disgusting, but you get your fill, so it's all good)" (end of quote)

and I agree with the above. Of course, "experts" immediately appeared who wrote:

"These are children's minds in bodies incapable of human-like emotions. Synthetic bodies can only simulate emotions. That's why there's such a dichotomy here. On the one hand, the mind feels it should be afraid, on the other, the body is not afraid." (end of quote)

Really? Then why, for example, in the scene where two children hide behind Kirsh's back during the encounter with the cyborg (Morrow),

so what? The sight of a stranger does not make any impression on them (you could say it's child's play, they can even fight him in hand-to-hand combat), but talking to a cyborg terrifies them "in bodies incapable of emotion"?

It's clear that the series is ill-conceived and the script is a total mess.

EXAMPLE 3

There is an egg containing a dangerous organism, and a group of volunteers cuts it open with a circular saw without any protection except for ridiculous goggles (they didn't even have face protection). I would understand if the series was set in the Middle Ages, but it's the year 2100-something. The egg should be separated from its surroundings, and all operations should be performed on it by robotic arms (even taking retrofuturism into account, this is easily doable). And I don't buy the explanation that "they don't need to protect themselves because they're not human." That's just stupid.

EXAMPLE 4

Why has no one in the series yet raised the issue that these sick children are actually dying and not being transferred to new bodies? Their consciousness is being copied, but this is not a new life, just a copied mind. The series constantly emphasizes that these new children are very intelligent and have modern brains and a lot of data in them, but none of these children, including the main character, have ever considered for a moment that they are not the same people, but copied minds, and that the other people (the sick children) were simply deceived and died. I don't understand this at all. Even the main character and her brother don't talk about it. The brother asks her a few simple questions when they meet "again," and then assumes that "okay, this is really my sister" and boom, everything is fine XD, and this is a medic, a person with some medical knowledge, so for me it's totally absurd that no one talked about it or questioned it. Even if, by some miracle, it turned out that this technology really transfers the soul to another body (let's assume), such doubts should still arise, but instead there is nothing, complete silence, everything is okay.

I could give more examples, but I don't want to go on and on. I think you get the point. The series was probably made in a great hurry because the amount of nonsense is overwhelming, and the biggest flaw is that all these idiotic things completely destroy the immersion while watching.
Good points. For the consciousness transference (or copy) stuff, I kept thinking it would come up, but hasn't, which makes me think it's going to be some big "reveal" later on and the kids turn on the Boy Genius. When, like you said, most people would've already considered it a possibility and asked questions.
 
No, I think we have TOO MANY nerds around one digital watercooler. Back in the day a show like this would be mostly watched by "regular folk" who are easily impressed by the ideas thrown about and we would be that "one guy" who can think an idea past it's fist implication. But with the internet its ALL nerds who can shred any idea apart so its natural that it goes this way.

If the narrative can catch up and provide an emotional or intellectual ride then the little nitpicks tends to fall away, in my experience.
I don't know about that here, if you'd go on the AVP Galaxy forums or Alien reddit, sure, those are nerds. Even if I watch Alien and Aliens a ton of times each year, I really don't know even half of the expanded Alien universe or whatever it's called.

Isn't it how it's supposed to be with movies, based on the genre, "you're allowed" to be more or less nitpicky? Maybe not really fair, but in general a movie like Final Destination or a comedy gets more permissiveness than a serious one or historical, biography, drama etc.
 
Episode 4

Callback/foreshadowing Newts doll. Fine

Why did boy genius bring suckup synth with him to wendys test room if the first thing he tells her to do is go away? She's contracted for a certain amount of screen time I assume? Find better uses for these people or start killing them off. Quickly

Timothy Olyphant is getting more annoyed with boy genius with each episode and more menacing. Still the best thing in the show

sloooow scene in the bedroom does nothing to move the story on

Poor sheep, but loved the scene! More alien experiments please! Best scene of the week by far (only scene worth watching)

is that an employee with a little sense and voicing a few of my concerns? I imagine he will be the first to die then - second best scene of the week and its still a bad scene

Ginger synth has ptsd? How? She's a robot... Code 3 situation...Jesus, just shut her down and turn off the emotion stuff? Infact do that for all of them. Most of them are showing signs of major issues, surely after a mission they should be debriefed and evaluated? All this shit should have been picked up, and patches downloaded to them when they are "sleeping"/recharging

Confirmation that they have killed 6 kids. So Prodigy have killed more "important" characters in the story than Aliens have in 4 hours of this show. Cool 😒

Sloooooow episode. Enough with the Peter pan stuff please

So Prodigy can hear everything from the synths, completely contradicting the previous episodes. Cool. Try to remember this going forward writers!

Cyborg finds the Singh's somewhere in India, just hours after being in New Siam. Forgetting that Singh is like Smith or Brown, there being Millions of them, but this is a wanted person, by Prodigy and WeyYu, and he's free to travel to India somehow, with no money or knowledge of Earth for at least 65 years, but able to pinpoint the family location instantly in the most populous country on Earth. Cool. Ok. Totally. Cyborg character has dropped of the good character list into the mediocre characters list. Kill him off with a cool alien fight and be done with him soon

Setting up for divisions in the synth group? Sci Synths/Child Synths/WenJoe/Idiot ginger synth. Please show, start killing off some of these characters quickly

And again, the writers have forgotten the constant recording of synths.... no one picking up on Indian synth just staring randomly into Joe's bedroom, forgetting that the synths vision/hearing is being monitored, but only when the plot needs it to be. If the writers can not be bothered to use their own introduced plot points, then just don't introduce them? It's flipflopped 3 or 4 times just in this episode?

Baby xeno just wants to be touched 🙄

Worst episode so far. Skip to 19 minutes, watch for 2 minutes, turn off the episode
 
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I'm kind of at breaking point with the series

The episode completely deflated any tension that may have been growing, not that there was much anyway

This episode should have been cut to 10 minutes
Look, at first I thought, yeah interesting with her talking to the xeno, I'm giving a pass now the fight, it means somehow the xeno maybe didn't even want to kill her. But the whole pet my xeno, it's, yeah, no thanks.

And the whole episode, again, it felt like a long exposition, like one of those games that you have a tutorial even after 30 hrs. And boring as fuck, at least half the episode should have been cut, the ending should have been at least halfway.
 
I'm kind of at breaking point with the series

The episode completely deflated any tension that may have been growing, not that there was much anyway

This episode should have been cut to 10 minutes
Yeah its really stupid. Boy genius is an idiot, why isn't his synth reporting in that one of the kids is in communication with the cyborg. There is so much other stupidity in the show that I don't want to even try to remember it to list it out.
 
Episode 4.

Absolute dog shit.

Generic modern TV slop as I mentioned a few episodes back, further reinforced.
 
I'd have rather have seen more experiments or observations (as its the name of the episode) of the 5 species, which would have increased the tension, rather than the deflation we got with this hour long pile of shite

Seeing the species getting to understand their surroundings, learning how to use the experiments to thier advantage, slowly becoming smarter than the humans/synths holding them, showing the plant/fly species attacking/killing animals, setting up potential future scenarios and plot points....tension, suspense, horror

The major problem is that weve now spent 4 hours out of 8 in this world, we still don't know how 2 of the species work at all, there's far too many hero characters trying to get screen time, there is no tension at all and the writers have turned the show into One Tree Hill or The O.C rather than a SciFi Horror Action based on 40 years of Alien lore

This means that we have at least 1 more terrible episode to come as not every character is in one place still, no Aliens have escaped containment properly, everything is still under control. Its boring. Its slow. Its not Aliens. Its not even E.T or Close Encounters

The next episode needs to hit the road running, kill off all but 3 or 4 characters within the first 15 minutes, have cat and mouse games with the various Aliens, have native animal species being used by the Aliens to spawn some interesting cross breeds...basically anything that doesn't include sitting around and talking about baseball, chocolate or names for their babies for 55 minutes
 
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It wouldn't have been a problem if it was more subtle. I mean, we have Boy reading the book, character names, characters discussing it, and now we have Boy just blatantly spell it out for us.
You described it very well. Usually this kind of stuff is done subtly, where the viewer can draw the connection as it's not overt. It makes it more satisfying as a story point, but the way it's done in AE becomes obnoxious and distracting.
 
You described it very well. Usually this kind of stuff is done subtly, where the viewer can draw the connection as it's not overt. It makes it more satisfying as a story point, but the way it's done in AE becomes obnoxious and distracting.
There's a theory going around that these modern shows are made for those watching/listening on a 2nd monitor or while scrolling TikTok on their phones... 👀
 
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Some things found on Reddit, maybe this gives too much credit to the writers of the series:

Blood in the Water by M.A. Kersh said:
In exchange for the powers of the fae and life in the Nine Realms, Peter Pan will spend his immortal life taking children to the lost island known as Neverland and stealing their souls. When Hook discovers the dark truth of Pan and his powers, he will travel to the worlds beyond the hidden veil to destroy Pan and set the souls of Neverland free.

Kersh = Kirsh (he knows that things are going on but he doesn't intervene)
Hook = Morrow
Peter Pan = Kavalier
Tinker Bell = Yutani (the Maginot crashed on Prodigy-city on purpose, she doesn't want Morrow to recover the specimens)


One small drawback: if they know the Peter Pan universe so well, why did they create five Lost Boys, with the last one having to be named after a pirate (Smee)? There are only four named Lost Boys in the Disney film.
 
Ep 4 was alright. Company is Evil, Everyone is Evil, except one girl one brother and one scientist maybe.

I think the show is alright.
 
I like the eyeball alien. Poor Goat just got taken out and the Eyeball is going to wreak some havok at some point. It will get into a person I assume. Too much foreshadowing not to.
 
By the end of the show, wendy's pet xeno will kill the xeno that will pop out of a (rando) character placed on the island( wendy's brother's homies) and they will have a dope xeno vs xeno scene.





























Xeno vs. Xeno

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