Guilty_AI
Member
Ok, i read the spoilers now.
It at least implies that not just Abby but the rest of her group also wanted revenge on Joel
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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.
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Birdo
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GreyHorace
Member
For the new page
Jesus Goddamn Christ.
I've never played The Last of Us, but I watched playthroughs of it and pretty much know how it's story unfolds. I don't think it' does anything original, but it's a good enough tale to well through cinematics.
But shit, unless this is the biggest goddamn troll performed on gamers, Naughty Dog has effectively performed a Mass Effect 3 style fuckup that would put Bioware to shame. And for what? Virtue signaling?
I hope someone higherup at the Sony gaming divisiion has the good sense to be pissed off at this.
Bladed Thesis
Member
I mean, Last of Us was great but it DForce in here defending what looks like awful writing and direction for this franchise like his life depends on it.
This looks like a very bad direction to take the story and characters. Full stop. Remove the "sjw" crazy takes of people in here, remove the sexual orientations. The story sounds like a soap opera from daytime TV. The writing and "revenge" angle while also killing of the successful (though murderous) protagonist from the first game. Who cares about the focus on Ellie's orientation? Like all things in gaming, if it fits and works and isn't hamfisted, what is the problem?
I'm more worried about the directions they're taking this. Seems like a new direction and a new risk they're taking here with a story that was already rock solid.
This looks like a very bad direction to take the story and characters. Full stop. Remove the "sjw" crazy takes of people in here, remove the sexual orientations. The story sounds like a soap opera from daytime TV. The writing and "revenge" angle while also killing of the successful (though murderous) protagonist from the first game. Who cares about the focus on Ellie's orientation? Like all things in gaming, if it fits and works and isn't hamfisted, what is the problem?
I'm more worried about the directions they're taking this. Seems like a new direction and a new risk they're taking here with a story that was already rock solid.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Does the game have any labia? Inner or outter?
Dabaus
Banned
Im actually glad they did, its going to save alot of people 60 bucks.
MGS2 comparisons are valid however Raiden never took anything away from snake in terms of image, lore, or tried to kill him. This is a whole new level of bait and switch. Killing main characters for the sake of to i guess get that game of thrones type attention is one thing, but the replacment character better be hell of a good one and to me the replacement seems legitimately awful.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Going by the story and slaughtering of grown men, I think it's all cock.
Just because someone has long hair doesn't mean the person is female. Ellie, Abby and Dina might be short form for Elliott, Abe and Dean.
Airbus Jr
Banned
Now imagine he do the same to every other game
All these gaming companies will go bankrupt
Is that what you want
BluRayHiDef
Banned
I never finished my first playthrough of The Last of Us. which I bought for the PlayStation 4. I found the gameplay to be very boring and the story to be trite; I've always thought that the game's storytelling and acting were merely decent but were overhyped because they were judged by video-game standards rather than movie standards. However, the leaks for the sequel are so dramatic and shockingly sociopolitical that I now want to play it. Hence, I'm going to rebuy The Last of Us and play it to completion on my PS4 Pro.
unknownphysicz
Member
PlayStation just tweeted the release date for tlou2 it comes out june 19 all late lol
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
And that goes back to my point.
A male character probably wouldn't have worked based on how they're writing the game.
Abby beating the shit out of Ellie and Dina wouldn't fly among those SJW. If Abby was Addo, then feminist would label this as game about abusing women.
But they could just lighten up the scene and make it a male character, right? That would sound boring. Their plan was likely to have Ellie and Abby fight (probably why they added a true boss fighting mechanic) and it needed to be violent. So in this case, I would rather piss off people who are crying SJW propaganda instead of feminist who would cancel Naughty Dog out in a second. It's not always about pushing politics.
Guilty_AI
Member
Being totally honest, some companies do deserve that. Especially the ones that like abusing hype tactics.
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Steve.1981
Unconfirmed Member
This is actually reminding me of how I felt watching Prometheus.
Maybe some stories should just be left as is. No matter how successful they are. Just let them end & leave them alone.
Maybe some stories should just be left as is. No matter how successful they are. Just let them end & leave them alone.
How does that justify fucking over people that have nothing to do with it?
If you were unsure about purchasing the game just wait for reviews or impressions after the game is out, like a normal person.
Saber
Newd Member
It didn't make a difference at all lol
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Always reminds me of this.
Rose McGowan Calls Out ‘X-Men’ Billboard That Shows Mystique Being Strangled
20th Century Fox has now apologized for the ad featuring Jennifer Lawrence that McGowan called "casual violence against women."
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Guilty_AI
Member
Doesn't hurt to have further confirmation of what was at first just a 4chan post.
Saber
Newd Member
What I'm saying is that the dialogue doesn't make any difference. There was nothing particulary worth of translating in the dialogue and if it has probably most of members would be at it already.
It's different from that scene of Dina and Ellie, where they clearly say something about the story. What you did was nothing but repetition over nothing.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Still not sure how people can act shocked when its been expected that Joel was going to die in the game from the moment it was announced! The faux outrage is pretty unconvincing, I mean its like acting like Ellie's orientation wasn't set fucking years ago and that its been wedged in here for PC points!
HotPocket69
Banned
I miss Bruce Straley
RokkanStoned
Member
To be fair, so do a lot of male guys as well. I agree that she does look manly, but there are also a lot of women that look manly without building muscles and/or using PEDs. Feels a bit unrealistic for someone in a post-apocalyptic society, though extremes in order to seek revenge is pretty typical of revenge plots. And despite being somewhat grounded, TLoU can often take liberties in terms of realism. So all of this whining from some members about unattractive buff Abby feels a bit pathetic. It's a fair criticism in terms of appeal, but feels pointless when the game bases its appeal on gritty ugly realism. I can get some of the complaints about a bunch of kids wrecking Joel, but even that's a pretty typical trope. "Heroic figure gets beat up/killed by a bunch of kids/deadbeats or new player". I wish I could point to a specific example, but it's at the tip of my tongue. I was thinking DB/DBZ or Bleach's Fullbringer, but it's not exactly right. It's kind of a mix of those typical interim villains or New Gen villains (usually just beats the protagonist, leading to depowering him/her and then they work to get their power back and grow. The Dark Knight Rises falls within this to a degree), some not really powerful person with a gang of nobodies, driving a YouKilledMyFather motivation based around a CycleOfRevenge plot. In some cases Sacrificial Lion mixed with BadassDecay would set up growth in the protagonist, as well as a revenge story that . In this case it just seems played straight with a DecoyProtagonist and introducing something that's not related to the previous part's theme, but trying to follow up the previous part's story.
All of the various whinings about insignificant stuff feels like a big irrelevant tangent compared to what utter mess the plot is from what has been revealed. I can only hope the execution makes up for it, though I'm cautious and likely watching some playthroughs of the beginning of the game until I buy it.
I'm also slightly bothered by another white girl with brown hair and green/grey clothes. There is a degree of realism to the clothing part, in terms of camouflage, but brown hair ain't a part of it. Blonde, black or red/ginger. Anything but brown. Don't even need to be white even, as it could even be an asian or light-skinned latino doctor as I don't believe we saw his face, or his wife could be black, making the kid mixed (though I guess they'd want to avoid it seeming like it's Marlene's kid, which most would think considering her role in the first game). Heck, even if clothing realism would be the reason, it still doesn't do much favor to a game's look. Sometimes distinctive character might be more important than wallowing in greens, browns and greys. I thought we were all tired of the typical white bald/brown haired guy in brown/green/grey clothes last gen. I appreciated them giving Ellie a red sweater in TLoU to contrast it to Joel's green jacket. Hope they at least have some costume options. Even switching the color of her shirt to a more red or burgundy one.
No one is surprised that Joel dies. They are surprised at shit plot in doing so. A shitty plot can be saved by gameplay and/or characters and their execution in the boring plot. But in this context it just sours due to how it feels like it pisses on the previous game and tries to follow a completely new theme. Despite that, it might still be good, depending on gameplay and character interactions and dialogue (which was TLoU's strong point). Still... I'm currently staying a bit skeptical and likely watching the start of the game in a let's play before I buy it. Never had much faith in ND writing sequel stories ever since their somewhat iffy work on Uncharted and that franchise is far more forgivable than TLoU.
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Soleil rouge
Member
Sony's getting torn several new assholes on twitter lol.
Guilty_AI
Member
It explicitly tell us that Joel was killed over revenge though, which gives some confirmation of the 4chan post
Saber
Newd Member
Dude, that was already stated pages and pages ago lol
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
I’m not even interested in the game and I’m actually glad for the spoilers.
A video game story would be cliché one way or another, so if it’s not one trite trope it’d be another. I don’t see how the story would be original either way, Joel and Ellie getting killed or not.
But that also leaves me wondering, what’s that stuff about Troy Baker saying “you don’t expect TLOU2” and the like? If the leaks are true, I don’t see how this script is revolutionary in any way. I mean, it’d subvert fans’ expectations for sure, but it’s no ground video games haven’t threaded before.
As for the “SJW” themes, eh, I’ll always think the E3 trailer with the kiss was definitely pandering. But this Abbey character, I dunno. I guess you’re not supposed to like playing as her, so all the more reason to not make her attractive? Not that ND would make her so anyway, mind...
A video game story would be cliché one way or another, so if it’s not one trite trope it’d be another. I don’t see how the story would be original either way, Joel and Ellie getting killed or not.
But that also leaves me wondering, what’s that stuff about Troy Baker saying “you don’t expect TLOU2” and the like? If the leaks are true, I don’t see how this script is revolutionary in any way. I mean, it’d subvert fans’ expectations for sure, but it’s no ground video games haven’t threaded before.
As for the “SJW” themes, eh, I’ll always think the E3 trailer with the kiss was definitely pandering. But this Abbey character, I dunno. I guess you’re not supposed to like playing as her, so all the more reason to not make her attractive? Not that ND would make her so anyway, mind...
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Sure, but I'm saying that you never bend the knee just to appease the deranged minority. NeoGaf wouldn't be what it is today ifAlways reminds me of this.
Rose McGowan Calls Out ‘X-Men’ Billboard That Shows Mystique Being Strangled
20th Century Fox has now apologized for the ad featuring Jennifer Lawrence that McGowan called "casual violence against women."
EviLore
had done that, for example. And now we have a sanitarium that helps to keep all the crazies contained. Same would happen in the industry IMO. And we'd be better off for it.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Ellie doesn't die btw but she loses and gets given mercy. A little bit more boring than the end result suggested but what are you gonna do?
Only Joel dies and it was obvious he was gonna.
Only Joel dies and it was obvious he was gonna.
Dabaus
Banned
If theyre going to destroy, subvert, and tarnish the legacy of the ones that before it Yes.
Jon Neu
Banned
Except when it is.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Where's Jason Scheier?
Mr. self proclaimed gaming journalist should be banging down doors digging dirt who leaked it and what Sony HQ people were thinking seeing Sunday leaks. Need one of his great employee morale kinds of articles.
Mr. self proclaimed gaming journalist should be banging down doors digging dirt who leaked it and what Sony HQ people were thinking seeing Sunday leaks. Need one of his great employee morale kinds of articles.
Guilty_AI
Member
...based on a 4chan post, not explicit gameplay leaks.
Besides, whats the issue you have with me translating it? It never hurts to have more info regardless of what it is.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
But you're speculating. That's not facts.
Oh come off it lol
"tarnish the legacy" of a series with single previous entry, give me a break.
The fact that you think it's justified tells me you're the type of asshole that would do that to other people.
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Jon Neu
Banned
Saber
Newd Member
I dunno. At this point could really be a mess up because it would point that Ellie fails in her revenge attempt, making her jouney kinda pointless.
Also what else to continue? Is Ellie gonna settle down and start a family with Dina and its the end? Hard to say at this point.
I already stated pretty clear that it was worth nothing, but you can continue if you like though.
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Hypereides
Member
Some of this just makes me question what the fuck happened to old school Naughty dog who made cartoony and lighthearted games.
I miss old Naughty dog.
I miss old Naughty dog.
Execution is more important to me than any *revolution* anyway. And if somethings written really well, its often already original (in the details) anyway by accident.
Sadly, as others have mentioned, this so far seems more like soap opera than merit in its execution.
Hari Seldon
Member
I have never understood people that get mad at leaks. People would rather a company make money by tricking people into buying a game that they otherwise wouldn't?
Jon Neu
Banned
Well, thank God we have Neil Cuckmann saying as much as “Anita Sarkeesian is a big influence on my works” and similar statements.
Otherwise we would have the types of you saying for the eternity the “it’s just your interpretation, you don't have any proof!”.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I know, its like the anti-SJW lot throwing bitch-fits over the idea that Joel might have comitted violence against women in the past.... WHEN THE FIRST GAME ENDS WITH HIM EXECUTING MARLENE, AN UNARMED WOMAN BEGGING FOR HER LIFE.
siekro1983
Banned
Just realised that Abby is wearing Nathan Drake's shirt lol
Uh god naughty dog did it. Ugliest character of all time. That's a man body with a transgender face. Sad day for sony fans. they killed off Joel for this? So they shove there agenda on our face.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
How do you know Halley Gross wasn't behind the design of Abby?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
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