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[StreetsofBeige]

I understand ND’s agenda but they are horribly going about it the wrong way. Why must they be hideous? Nadine was just the beginning and now that’ll continue for the foreseeable future. Shit is just getting worst if this is any indication. Not even realistic. Video games are entertainment, make everyone beautiful.

Jill Valentine, Fem Shepard, Bastila, and heck even their own Ellie Are good example of powerful female protagonist.

To be fair to ND and game makers, this has been going on forever. Movies too.

The bad guy is almost always portrayed not only bad and evil, but also meaner, stronger, beefier, probably wears dark clothes, has hair, eyebrows and that certain asshole look making them look like an evil dictator.

The hero can be anything from skinny runts to Arnold Schwarzenegger.

What they could have done is make Abby skinny and small like Ellie, but for sake of good guy vs bad guy narratives, it doesn't look good if you're beating a bad guy the same size or smaller than you as it makes you look like the bully.

Just the way creative minds and villain stereotypes work.

 

[Paracelsus]

What on earth was so bad about Nadine? She looks like your average black woman her age. Sam Drake and Bill in the TLOU aren't exactly good looking men but nobody complains.

It wasn't about looks.

 

[ZehDon]

If she did die then I'm glad the ending didn't get leaked, and I'll be able to see it for myself most likely.

I'd probably hate it in hidesight and so would many others, but it'd definitely break me in the moment.

Either way, it provides the ending with a problem that ND doesn't appear to solve - closure.
Based on the leaks, we know Abby lives. We have conflicting information on Ellie though - Ellie may live, or die. With Ellie and Abby both alive, it suspends the narrative conclusion to the third game - the info with Ellie alive says she goes off to enact revenge... again. This moves the story into "wheel spinning" territory, where we have to tune in next time to see the thrilling conclusion. We see this in feature film all the time, and it's almost always leaves the entry feeling lacking, and more than a little disappointing.
However, if Ellie dies, then you severe the connection to the first game entirely, and start veering into the latter seasons of "Game of Thrones" territory, where the characters we hang around for are gone, and the new ones just don't have the same draw. It's already been reported that ND delayed the game in part due to re-writes, as their focus groups really didn't like the characters the game tried to build up. Who knows if they managed to solve that one, but this ending lacks structural closure - Ellie just dies. Roll credits.
So, the ending risks being either a big "It's fucking nothing! Buy TLOU3 to find out!" or a big "Well, shit, who fucking cares anymore?". Closure is absent in some form in either case, and in a big way. I suspect the audience is going to reject it the same way they reject most narratives that don't provide narrative or structural closure.
If I was working on the narrative at ND, I'd be pretty fucking concerned right now.

 

[Paracelsus]

Either way, it provides the ending with a problem that ND doesn't appear to solve - closure.
Based on the leaks, we know Abby lives. We have conflicting information on Ellie though - Ellie may live, or die. With Ellie and Abby both alive, it suspends the narrative conclusion to the third game - the info with Ellie alive says she goes off to enact revenge... again. This moves the story into "wheel spinning" territory, where we have to tune in next time to see the thrilling conclusion. We see this in feature film all the time, and it's almost always leaves the entry feeling lacking, and more than a little disappointing.
However, if Ellie dies, then you severe the connection to the first game entirely, and start veering into the latter seasons of "Game of Thrones" territory, where the characters we hang around for are gone, and the new ones just don't have the same draw. It's already been reported that ND delayed the game in part due to re-writes, as their focus groups really didn't like the characters the game tried to build up. Who knows if they managed to solve that one, but this ending lacks structural closure - Ellie just dies. Roll credits.
So, the ending risks being either a big "It's fucking nothing! Buy TLOU3 to find out!" or a big "Well, shit, who fucking cares anymore?". Closure is absent in some form in either case, and in a big way. I suspect the audience is going to reject it the same way they reject most narratives that don't provide narrative or structural closure.
If I was working on the narrative at ND, I'd be pretty fucking concerned right now.

They won't kill Ellie because that would kill TLOU3. This isn't even about spoilers but common sense. Nobody is going to buy TLOU3 to see if Dina or her kid kill Abby because it's such a stupid premise. Not that the premise of TLOU2 is good at all but whatever.
So what, you go back and forth with killing people until you either run the franchise into the ground or there's nobody left to kill?
The original summary that claims "Ellie leaves Dina and the baby behind to go and snap Abby's neck and then it cuts to Abby and Crilin for the epilogue hunting for fireflies and that's it" is the most logical ending.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Either way, it provides the ending with a problem that ND doesn't appear to solve - closure.
Based on the leaks, we know Abby lives. We have conflicting information on Ellie though - Ellie may live, or die. With Ellie and Abby both alive, it suspends the narrative conclusion to the third game - the info with Ellie alive says she goes off to enact revenge... again. This moves the story into "wheel spinning" territory, where we have to tune in next time to see the thrilling conclusion. We see this in feature film all the time, and it's almost always leaves the entry feeling lacking, and more than a little disappointing.
However, if Ellie dies, then you severe the connection to the first game entirely, and start veering into the latter seasons of "Game of Thrones" territory, where the characters we hang around for are gone, and the new ones just don't have the same draw. It's already been reported that ND delayed the game in part due to re-writes, as their focus groups really didn't like the characters the game tried to build up. Who knows if they managed to solve that one, but this ending lacks structural closure - Ellie just dies. Roll credits.
So, the ending risks being either a big "It's fucking nothing! Buy TLOU3 to find out!" or a big "Well, shit, who fucking cares anymore?". Closure is absent in some form in either case, and in a big way. I suspect the audience is going to reject it the same way they reject most narratives that don't provide narrative or structural closure.
If I was working on the narrative at ND, I'd be pretty fucking concerned right now.

It's pretty obvious the majority of the backlash is Joel dead. Ellie surviving (according to leaks) doesn't seem to have enough draw factor to be enough for gamers.

I said it before somewhere, but to me it looks like Ellie will survive the franchise and win the day assuming the series closes off in Part III, which is probably going to be around a 2025 game.

If Sony believes this can be a long franchise spanning 5+ games with more for PS6 and even PS7 by the time 2030+ hits, then you never know. They might kill off Ellie assuming new characters coming in are beloved enough with gamers to take over the Joel and Ellie tandem.

 

[ZehDon]

They won't kill Ellie because that would kill TLOU3. This isn't even about spoilers but common sense. Nobody is going to buy TLOU3 to see if Dina or her kid kill Abby because it's such a stupid premise. Not that the premise of TLOU2 is good at all but whatever.
So what, you go back and forth with killing people until you either run the franchise into the ground or there's nobody left to kill?
The original summary that claims "Ellie leaves Dina and the baby behind to go and snap Abby's neck and then it cuts to Abby and Crilin for the epilogue hunting for fireflies and that's it" is the most logical ending.

I don't disagree with you at all - but I also don't think that spending half the game playing as Abby is a logical story decision, so "logic" isn't necessarily at play here. I've got long winded posts in this thread explaining why in detail, so I'll spare you the rant. At the end of the day, ND clearly think they've conjured up another amazing character that players will love just as much as Joel and Ellie. They wouldn't force her onto the player base for half of the game if they didn't. The logical extension is that if they think she can carry half of TLOU2, but wouldn't they think she could carry TLOU3, the same way as Ellie is clearly meant to carry TLOU2?

It's pretty obvious the majority of the backlash is Joel dead. Ellie surviving (according to leaks) doesn't seem to have enough draw factor to be enough for gamers.

I said it before somewhere, but to me it looks like Ellie will survive the franchise and win the day assuming the series closes off in Part III, which is probably going to be around a 2025 game.

If Sony believes this can be a long franchise spanning 5+ games with more for PS6 and even PS7 by the time 2030+ hits, then you never know. They might kill off Ellie assuming new characters coming in are beloved enough with gamers to take over the Joel and Ellie tandem.

I disagree with the bolded part. The majority of players appear to have actually expected Joel to die. The majority of the backlash appears cantered around the specifics of his death, and then the fact that players are forced to play as his killer after Joel is dead for 50% of the entire game. That means the backlash is literally directed toward the central concept of the game. Coupled with the confirmed narrative beats, which ties into my concern that the story will lack any meaningful form of closure, and I feel we end up at my post above: "If I was working on the narrative at ND, I'd be pretty fucking concerned right now."

 

[autoduelist]

Killing off white male leads and replacing them is intersectionalism 101. The same replacement theory occurs in real life too, James Lindsay has discussed this in depth while explaining the process of intersectional theory converting a host [be it a game, franchise, hobby, school, workplace, or church].

Killing off [or in real life, canceling and replacing] an existing lead with a woke replacement is a show of force that establishes dominance and silences possible dissent. Once accomplished, the rest is easy.

Naughty Dog is engaging in straight up cultist behavior. ND will never see another dime from me unless they visibly course correct. A shame, too, one of my favorite devs [plat'd everything on ps3 and again on ps4]. Everyone should make their own decisions with their own money but I can not in good conscience support intersectionalism infecting yet another franchise, and if everyone continues to buy [or go see, etc] they will never learn nor care.

 

[Jbomb19]

Well to me, how Joel dies in this game makes sense to me personally. Its a brutal way to end someone but you never get to choose how you go out in the end. It seems to me that people are pissed that he didn’t go out with a hero’s ending but here I am thinking, did he deserve one? It also gives us proof that no character has plot armor.

Great point. I also think a lot of people would cry “LAME” or “PREDICTABLE” if he sacrifice himself to save Ellie or something similar. Last of Us was brutal. and this one will surely be too.

 

[Balducci30]

Honestly. The main achievement of the last of us was making you care so much about Joel and Ellie. I’d argue even more for Joel. Then for this to turn around and not only do what it does but have you play as the person who does it? Ballsy. Don’t know if that’ll work.

 

[DForce]

It's pretty obvious the majority of the backlash is Joel dead. Ellie surviving (according to leaks) doesn't seem to have enough draw factor to be enough for gamers.

Here's the reason why many people are mad.

Fake Leak

• One of the surgeons Joel killed had a daughter called Abby
• The Firefly massacre destroyed her whole life, she's been looking for revenge ever since
• Knew who Ellie was because of her dad talking about their shot at a cure, figured out Joel from Firefly records
• Cult attacks Ellie's settlement and she, Jesse, and Dinah are part of the group sent to track down and attack it - Jesse is killed during this
• Ellie is now violently angry and goes to Seattle looking for the cults home to wipe it out, meets Joel there because he heard about Jesse and came back to help her
• Abby finds Ellie because she's been in conflict with the cult too, so when Ellie hunts them to Seattle and is set to attack them with Joel her group find them and attack
• She kills Joel herself, takes Ellie back to camp debating what to do with her since for all her hate she doesn't blame her for the massacre
• Ellie butchers her group to escape and Abby is now motivated to hunt her down
• Second half of the game is spent as Abby chasing Ellie
• Ellie continues hunting the cult while you chase her down
• Ending is Ellie and Abby fighting to the death
• You kill Ellie as Abby, and she leaves while realizing she's not really "won" in any meaningful way since all she's done is get more of her loved ones killed for the sake of her killing Joel and then Ellie
• Ending is "cycle of revenge" with the loose implication Ellie's friends will hunt Abby now in return

@8:30
Alex says Ellie is hunting is hunting down the Cult. This is why people still believe in the homophobic cult rumor
FALSE: We know this isn't true because Ellie is going to Seattle to rescue Tommy.

@11:50
Joe says we get to play the second half as Abby and Ellie dies at the end.
FALSE: Ellie is confirmed not to die at this scene.

Yes, this story sounds like shit, but it's a fake leak. Everyone saying Ellie and Joel die think this leak is real. It also doesn't help that the scene that they used to try to confirm this leak makes it appear that Ellie is dead.

Edit: There's more


@8:00
She believes that you will spend time hunting down a Religious Cult, which means she read the fake leaks.

@4:00
Lucas also believes in this fake leak because he says both Ellie and Joel die. It only says this in the leaks above



I think it's confirmed that a lot of people ranting about the story think this plot leak is true.

 

[iMrKiwi]

still waiting for someone to send me the cutscenes : p

 

[Paracelsus]

Ellie not dying is one thing, the cult thing is probably true, that's who the Seraphites are. Both Ellie and Abby hunt them.

 

[DForce]

Ellie not dying is one thing, the cult thing is probably true, that's who the Seraphites are. Both Ellie and Abby hunt them.

They are a cult, but they're reading fake leaks about how the cult plays their part in this game.

The leaks they're reading are fake. Ellie is not hunting down the cult as the leaks suggest, she's hunting down Abby and the Wolves. (WLF)

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Ellie not dying is one thing, the cult thing is probably true, that's who the Seraphites are. Both Ellie and Abby hunt them.

Cult rumour cant be true as all the other stuff was false, its unlikely there going get one detail right and then other 99% wrong.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

still waiting for someone to send me the cutscenes : p

Reddit would be your best bet

 

[iMrKiwi]

Reddit would be your best bet

i searched everywhere. know a subbreddit for the leaks?

 

[Paracelsus]

They are a cult, but they're reading fake leaks about how the cult plays their part in this game.

The leaks they're reading are fake. Ellie is not hunting down the cult as the leaks suggest, she's hunting down Abby and the Wolves. (WLF)

A religious bigoted group is guaranteed.

Last Of Us II gameplay coming at E3 – but Joel and Ellie ‘not safe’

The hotly-anticipated sequel is 50-60% complete, according to creative director Neil Druckmann.

www.expressandstar.com

“We’re seeing Yara and Lev belonging to this religious group and they’ve left for some reason, and they’ve aligned themselves with someone they would normally hate and see as less than human.”

Seraphites

The Seraphites,[2] colloquially called Scars, are a primitivist cult and antagonistic faction in The Last of Us Part II. They are currently at war with the Washington Liberation Front (WLF) for control of Seattle.[3] The Seraphites were formed in the Lower Queen Anne suburb of Seattle between...

thelastofus.fandom.com

The leak where Ellie dies is an old leak that has nothing to do with the data breach. This is the gist of the breach

Spoiler: summary

What could possibly be in the game that is missing that redeems the Abby asspull and what they did to Joel?
"She looked cute in the scene and helped fighting bad people, and Joel did some mean thing we didn't know so screw him"? Naaaah.

 

[DForce]

A religious bigoted group is guaranteed.

You're not paying attention.

I posted 3 YouTube videos that show you that people believe in this fake leak.

Here it is again. This time, I'm going to highlight the parts in red.

• One of the surgeons Joel killed had a daughter called Abby
• The Firefly massacre destroyed her whole life, she's been looking for revenge ever since
• Knew who Ellie was because of her dad talking about their shot at a cure, figured out Joel from Firefly records
• Cult attacks Ellie's settlement and she, Jesse, and Dinah are part of the group sent to track down and attack it - Jesse is killed during this
• Ellie is now violently angry and goes to Seattle looking for the cults home to wipe it out, meets Joel there because he heard about Jesse and came back to help her
• Abby finds Ellie because she's been in conflict with the cult too, so when Ellie hunts them to Seattle and is set to attack them with Joel her group find them and attack
• She kills Joel herself, takes Ellie back to camp debating what to do with her since for all her hate she doesn't blame her for the massacre
• Ellie butchers her group to escape and Abby is now motivated to hunt her down
• Second half of the game is spent as Abby chasing Ellie
• Ellie continues hunting the cult while you chase her down
• Ending is Ellie and Abby fighting to the death
• You kill Ellie as Abby, and she leaves while realizing she's not really "won" in any meaningful way since all she's done is get more of her loved ones killed for the sake of her killing Joel and then Ellie
• Ending is "cycle of revenge" with the loose implication Ellie's friends will hunt Abby now in return

This basically says Ellie is after the cult and not to get revenge against Abby or the WLF members.

What you're not understand is that the cult is NOT the main focus of this game, it's Ellie getting revenge against Abby and NOT the cult.

If you believe in this leak, then that:

1. Ellie is getting revenge against the cult and not Abby
2. Joel dies by the hands of Abby and you're not getting your revenge against her.
3. Joel dies with no respect because you switch to Abby right after Joel dies.
4. Ellie and Joel both die at the end of the game.

Again, I'm not saying the cult is NOT religious, they're just not the main focus of this game and Ellie is not seeking revenge against them as other YouTubers believe.

What could possibly be in the game that is missing that redeems the Abby asspull and what they did to Joel?
"She looked cute in the scene and helped fighting bad people, and Joel did some mean thing we didn't know so screw him"? Naaaah.

What's missing is key details.

The leakers likely havne't seen the ending and that's why we have little detail on how the game ends.

It says the Epilogue ends with Lev and Abby finding the remaining fireflies.

What about the Santa Barbara chapter?

Doesn't say anything.

This seems like the beginning of the Santa Barbara chapter not the Epilogue.


What goes against the plot detail that they're going to make Ellie out to be the villain is this cutscene from the Village .

This is a scene that shows Ellie putting on Joel's jacket to go after Abby. Does this fit the villain narrative? It doesn't.


We don't know if you play as Abby half way through the game. We may have the option to play through her story after beating Ellie's story. If that happens, then that changes a lot of things. What may point in this direction is that Abby's and Ellie's story begins and ends at the same time.

 

[GymWolf]

The carly chick has some wrong information but 80% of his video is spot on dudes...
I noticed the errors too, but she is far from totally wrong.

And again, i don't care about the leaks, i'm happy to bash skulls with female joel.

 

[DForce]

The carly chick has some wrong information but 80% of his video is spot on dudes...
I noticed the errors too, but she is far from totally wrong.

And again, i don't care about the leaks, i'm happy to bash skulls with female joel.

Not if she's going by the fake leaks. She says the entire story of the first game becomes absolute because Joel dies for nothing awhile Ellie is still chasing after the cult.

• She kills Joel herself, takes Ellie back to camp debating what to do with her since for all her hate she doesn't blame her for the massacre
• Ellie butchers her group to escape and Abby is now motivated to hunt her down
• Second half of the game is spent as Abby chasing Ellie
• Ellie continues hunting the cult while you chase her down

Here's what they think its going to happen.

The settlement is attacked by Cult
Ellie goes out to get revenge against the Cult
Joel joins her, but is killed by Abby on the way because Abby is after the Cult and Joel.
Ellie escapes.
You now take control as Abby to hunt down Ellie
Ellie is still hunting down the cult and not Abby
Abby finds Ellie and kills her.


This does sound like a crappy story, but it's fake.


If you read people spoiling the game, the majority of them are saying "Both Ellie and Joel die" and it doesn't help that they're using an image of Ellie's face to prove it.





This is just on one of ND's post alone. Majority are all fake plot leaks.

 

[Niked]

A very good analysis from a writer. If you are a Naughty Dog defender.. ..trigger warning

 

[FUBARx89]

I'm not keen on Joel dying to be quite honest with you.

 

[DForce]

A very good analysis from a writer. If you are a Naughty Dog defender.. ..trigger warning

I watched 2 minutes of this and he's also talking about the fake leaks.

He says Abby will kill off Joel and Ellie and the story is about Christian cultist. It's very sad that Naughty Dog has spent years making this game only to have people spread lies about this game based on a fake leak. Hopefully everything clears before the game releases.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

It's not impossible to make a good narrative where the protags die, if it was then a certain other huge game released recently wouldn't have been quite so huge. The problem here is people know it's coming before it comes, and don't see how it actually plays out. Certain other big game didn't have this stuff leaked, people found it in the proper context of the game's story. Not only that, people didn't assume woke SJW politics upon it, despite actually having some of those elements if they cared to look. Even worse, some people are arguing this so hard they're going to be set on their side of the argument regardless of how the game turns out, many Youtubers in particular couldn't possibly admit to being wrong because they don't want that level of egg on their face. I expect some people to say I have the same problem, but all I've done is defend the idea the game should get the benefit of the doubt, I won't feel like someone with egg on their face if they're wrong because I haven't prematurely decided the quality of the game... that's the whole point of my argument, these are premature decisions.

 

[Strategize]

A very good analysis from a writer. If you are a Naughty Dog defender.. ..trigger warning

Already seen it a few days back, dude gets about 20 things wrong, and I'm not just talking about the leaks. Try to find informed people next time.

 

[Falcs]

 

[cormack12]

Did they just pretty much give a nod to those who have seen the leaks that Ellie doesn't die and in fact kills Abbie in that last scene?

 

[DanielMann861]

Did they just pretty much give a nod to those who have seen the leaks that Ellie doesn't die and in fact kills Abbie in that last scene?

I thought the same thing to be honest. I'm sure this trailer was pre-cut before the leaks and that wasn't their intention (or maybe it was, I don't know)....but I saw that too at the end and thought "hmmm"

 

[MDSLKTR]

You're not paying attention.

If this is indeed the cliffhanger ending then this is tragedy of biblical proportions. If there's more chapters (which I'm 90% there is, the setup just doesn't make sense to have credits rolling right after) then I'm still buying it day 1. I'm counting on this thread to break the news.

 

[DanielMann861]

I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, I'm a sucker for grim vengeance stories and it is without question one of the prettiest games I've seen this generation.

I'm not too bothered by Joel's death. I've been Team "Joel's Dead" ever since I saw the announcement trailer. If anything, the red herrings with the lesbian girlfriend made it all the more obvious that it was Joel who was gonna die and not the girlfriend so that was the least shocking spoiler of them all for me.

I kind of see what they're doing. It's the age old "sins of the father came back to haunt the child" story. Again, hardly shocking, I had a feeling it was going this way from the very beginning.

If anything, I felt this trailer pretty much just confirmed the ending of the game for me and I now pretty much know every beat that will happen. The circle of vengeance will continue as Ellie can't let her need for vengeance go and kills Abbey. And the conflict that will leave us questioning everything will be "Is Ellie still who you thought she was or is she the bad guy after all?"

The problem I still have is with Abbey. How can they possibly make me care for Abbey and how do they think they're going to leave me conflicted come the ending as Ellie seemingly kills her? (if I'm a betting man, I bet that is the ending)

They're gonna have a tough time making me care for Abbey...and that's where the game could go completely south for me.

I'm not hyperbolic about it. In fact, the leaks made me slightly more interested in this game than I was beforehand. Just because I gathered it was gonna be a simple revenge tale about the sins of the father coming back to haunt the child, but that twist with Abbey leaves me slightly interested. How do you make someone care about this nobody character? How do you conflict the player into questioning Ellie's actions?

It could either be REALLY dumb...or it could be handled interestingly...I'm still leaning towards the former, because I just don't see how they can make me care or invest in Abbey over Joel and Ellie.

 

[Hosam6xavi]

The story trailer left out Abby in every single scene

Yep damage control

 

[Saber]

Did they just pretty much give a nod to those who have seen the leaks that Ellie doesn't die and in fact kills Abbie in that last scene?

Whats more curious about that is...how the leakers leave such an important scene or piece of info out of everything critical already spoiled.
This maybe yet another playing with videos. You know...to give you the impression that Ellie really gonna kill Abby. I might be wrong though.

 

[Azurro]

After watching the leaks, the trailers and so on, the writing just makes no sense. Ellie isn't a girl, or even a lesbian, she's written as a man, acts like a man, has the physical strength of a man, looks like an androgynous man and even thinks like a man. Why not replace her for a man at this point?

 

[DanielMann861]

After watching the leaks, the trailers and so on, the writing just makes no sense. Ellie isn't a girl, or even a lesbian, she's written as a man, acts like a man, has the physical strength of a man, looks like an androgynous man and even thinks like a man. Why not replace her for a man at this point?

The radical feminist struggle. Hates men...and yet, wants so desperately to be treated like a man and get all those so called privileges we have.

 

[filigreti]

After watching the leaks, the trailers and so on, the writing just makes no sense. Ellie isn't a girl, or even a lesbian, she's written as a man, acts like a man, has the physical strength of a man, looks like an androgynous man and even thinks like a man. Why not replace her for a man at this point?

i so understand you, leaving in an apocalyptic world where everyday is a survival, doesnt make you adapt, it softens you actually, you just go about running and crying every time,

 

[Jtibh]

The assassination of entertainment: ‘The Last Of Us 2’ leaks are part of a bigger problem https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487933-the-last-of-us-2-leaks-bigger-problem/

 

[Woggleman]

I am pretty sure that ND and Neil Druckmann do not hate me. I have seen some interviews and he actually seems like a nice guy.

Also how does Ellie act like a man. Anybody man or woman who wants to survive in that kind of world can't be delicate and fragile. Tess might have been skinny but she was a complete badass as well. It is not because she is a manhating feminist. In fact this game doesn't seem to tackle feminism at all.

 

[Clear]

Already seen it a few days back, dude gets about 20 things wrong, and I'm not just talking about the leaks. Try to find informed people next time.

Lets not forget that he leads off by saying he never finished the first game because he didn't find it engaging. That's like getting Rian Johnson to write a Star Wars sequel LOL.

 

[LaughingStock]

After watching the leaks, the trailers and so on, the writing just makes no sense. Ellie isn't a girl, or even a lesbian, she's written as a man, acts like a man, has the physical strength of a man, looks like an androgynous man and even thinks like a man. Why not replace her for a man at this point?

That's what progressive types think a strong woman is. A man.

 

[OrionNebula]

I'm not keen on Joel dying to be quite honest with you.

For me it’s mostly the way it happens.

Plus I reckon I don’t like when peeps spit on characters I like after they’ve been brutally murdered, but that’s just me

Joel (and the gamers) deserve better than this IMO

 

[Karppuuna]

I have read the leaks and still don`t understand what is the problem that people are bitching about, is it that Joel and Ellie die or is it that character Abby.
Sometimes it feels that gaming community is full of spoiled 12 years old fan boys, grow some balls.

 

[Woggleman]

GTA V had Trevor kill a former protagonist in a disrespectful way for no good reason at all plus he spent the rest of the game being a scumbag yet there wasn't this level of backlash. Abby at least has a real reason to hate Joel and his violence is coming back to bite him. I have mixed feelings about it but she has better reasons than Trevor did.

 

[Saber]

I have read the leaks and still don`t understand what is the problem that people are bitching about, is it that Joel and Ellie die or is it that character Abby.
Sometimes it feels that gaming community is full of spoiled 12 years old fan boys, grow some balls.

Or maybe you haven't being reading right or haven't being reading this thread at all. The problem is Abby, everything around her and the fact that you play with her for no particular reason.
Also, the story of first Last of Us resolves arounds the fact that Joel and Ellie story complements the zombie situation(quest for a possible cure for the zombie apocalipse). With Last of Us 2? Zombies are just there, the story is more about relationships and personal vendettas.

Abby at least has a real reason to hate Joel and his violence is coming back to bite him. I have mixed feelings about it but she has better reasons than Trevor did.

If thats a valid reason, basically every character in this game has a reason to be killed. Most of enemies are what we called npcs. Again in case people miss the whole zombie outrage, sometimes you have to choose whats best for you(or someone) and not whats moral. Looking for morality in a game where people are killed every now often is just ridiculous.

 

[NickFire]

Well, it was a good run of blissful excitement for this one. I successfully avoided pretty much every article the past two months to avoid spoilers. But somehow I ended up (couldn’t stop myself) clicking a link to what I thought was the official reddit page and saw some unexpected headlines. Went down the rabbit hole and to my absolute horror a certain name was being thrown around as someone that may have influenced the story. Went to the actual reddit page and saw they have essentially shut it down, disabled YouTube likes, etc. The dread now at defcon 200 levels, my “this can’t possibly be true“ reaction lead to reading some spoilers. Now I’m just all stuck in quarantine feeling like I just watched the Last Jedi for the first time again.

 

[Jill Valentine]

 

[Explosive Zombie]

"Ripley was a good female character because she was written to be a man"
"Ellie is basically a man here, bad writing, should just replace with a man"

 

[MDSLKTR]

GTA V had Trevor kill a former protagonist in a disrespectful way for no good reason at all plus he spent the rest of the game being a scumbag yet there wasn't this level of backlash. Abby at least has a real reason to hate Joel and his violence is coming back to bite him. I have mixed feelings about it but she has better reasons than Trevor did.

With Trevor you finally got a character that became the embodiment of the GTA soul, for the first time you could be a murderous sociopath and it would all be in character. It just worked and there's a reason he's universally loved. Oh and that biker dude was a simp, he deserved to have his head stomped into the sand.

 

[Clear]

That's what progressive types think a strong woman is. A man.

Errr, you're kinda forgetting this is set in a post-apocalyptic dystopia where Ellie has had to kill to survive and has been surrounded by death and zombies all her young life. And you think she should be concerned with make-up and boy bands like a "proper" teen girl?

 

[FUBARx89]

For me it’s mostly the way it happens.

Plus I reckon I don’t like when peeps spit on characters I like after they’ve been brutally murdered, but that’s just me

Joel (and the gamers) deserve better than this IMO

Yeah getting Andrew Ryan'd is bullshit to be honest.

I feel like they've gone the GoT route with him by killing him off.

 

[Woggleman]

With Trevor you finally got a character that became the embodiment of the GTA soul, for the first time you could be a murderous sociopath and it would all be in character. It just worked and there's a reason he's universally loved. Oh and that biker dude was a simp, he deserved to have his head stomped into the sand.

Trevor is one of the reasons that while I like GTA V it is the only time Rockstar has ever disappointed me somewhat. That being said GTA and the TLOU are two very different kinds of games. The fact that he is an NPC actually makes it more impactful because while to Joel he was a nameless person he killed to Abby that is her beloved father. Every person no matter how nameless they might seem to you is a person with a story of their own. It shows the many shades of grey in a brutal and darwinistic world.