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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.
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cormack12
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darkangel-212559
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THAT IS BRILLIANT.
Funniest shit ever. Sad it's true though.
Funniest shit ever. Sad it's true though.
kunonabi
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The Mad Draklor
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MagnesG
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Make sense with all those copystrikes, they really went full retard with alienating the biggest media platform on the planet.
The Mad Draklor
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It's also damning when people of different sides of the spectrum are calling Naughty Dog out on this. Unlike what some people still like to believe, it is not only anti-SJW's who are railing on ND. YongYea and his audience are politically neutral and his video calling ND out on their false copyright strikes has garnered 250k views. Angry Joe is to the left of the political spectrum, but he found the leaked plot to be shit and his video is almost at 1 million views.
Even Jim Sterling, who I consider to be the most "SJW" of the bunch, has criticized Naughty Dog albeit for a different reason and his audience is saying the same things I've seen on other videos: "The leaker saved me $60", "Be careful, Sony is going around taking down videos with false copyright strikes", and so forth.
joe_zazen
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Numbers like that belie the notion that only a few hundred nerds know or care about these leaks.
IDK how or if it will affect sales, but watching how sony markets this thing will be fun. Do they try to woo the disaffected?
The Mad Draklor
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I used to think that the leaks weren't going to affect sales because before Naughty Dog began filing false copyright strikes behind a shady front company, much of the discussion was limited to anti-SJW's. Now, I definitely think sales will be affected in some shape or form because the discussion has extended beyond that part of the spectrum.
Naughty Dog could have just let the situation play out and the internet would calm down. Instead, out of their own idiocy, they decided to fan the flames by taking down videos via false copyright strikes. That only served to bring more attention to the leaks and on top of that, people are also seeing how Naughty Dog is engaging in illegal activity. Heck, it even brought attention to two lawyers.
Probably the most damning thing of all is how the video game journalists are trying to defend Naughty Dog and TLOU2, but their audience is calling them out on their BS:
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Lets just stop here, because what you wrote there is enough to prove your bias and basically invalidate your opinion.
You are characterizing this as a conspiracy on Naughty Dog's part to file false strikes without evidence or offering any sort of rationale as to why that course of action would be chosen.
The reality is that its far more likely that following the footage being leaked Sony simply contracted a specialist company to try and remove the stolen video from the internet in order to mitigate spoilers being spread.
But oh no, you have to go full tinfoil-hat straight off the bat and claim bad faith.
Of course on any DMCA filiing ND would ne named as the copyright owner but that in no way makes them responsible for the action of the contractor assigned to do a job they have no experience or specialist skill in doing. But of course the blame has to be specifically ND's because as we all know ND have it coming anyway.
Its bullshit.
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Paracelsus
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Same woman, she's set free by Crilin.
GymWolf
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Confirmed?? She kinda looks different in that photo with joel...
Jayjayhd34
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She looks different across all builds, at this moment time we've seen dozen and dozen of builds.
Paracelsus
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GymWolf
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Thanks buddy.
The Mad Draklor
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The reality is that Sony and Naughty Dog are making false copyright strikes on videos that fall under Fair Use, effectively engaging in illegal activity. The videos that were taken down did not use the stolen video. Sorry to burst your bubble, but discussing about leaks is not copyright infringement no matter how much you dislike that.
Angry Joe's video has spoilers and is nearing 1 million views. I wonder why that video hasn't been taken down? Perhaps Sony and Naughty Dog know that if they dared to illegally file a false copyright strike, it will end up causing another shitshow that they don't want.
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Doubling down on the same bogus assertions doesn't further you argument, just makes you look desperate, weak and stupid.
You make no attempt to deflect my counter because you have no answer to me effortlessly dismantling your argument.
The Mad Draklor
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You were given one piece of contradictory evidence and you couldn't address it. That makes your entire argument invalid.
On top of that, your assertion that Sony hired a shell company to remove the stolen video is false as the videos that were taken down only discussed about the leaks. No images or video footage from the "stolen video" were used.
But sure, do continue to justify Sony and Naughty Dog engaging in illegal activity...
Some aspects to this backlash is like gamergate pt2. If people don't like the game then they don't and I understand the reaction to some aspects of the story but all I hear is woke this and SJW that. There has been a backlash brewing over since they showed Ellie and Dina kissing and it has boiled over. Honestly it makes me embarrassed to be somebody who loves video games. It makes it easier for the extreme woke faction to point at gamer culture and say that we really are a bunch of alt right bigots. There have been other divisive games that didn't get this level of vitriol.
Nymphae
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I hate the press so much it's unbelievable. Less than zero respect.
TGO
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Wait..... how old is Abby supposed to be?
Jayjayhd34
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Your "contradictory evidence" that ND is deliberately and knowingly doing illegal DMCA strikes is that they aren't doing deliberately illegal DMCA strikes against Angry Joe?
What.
The.
Fuck?
Are you really this dumb? Seriously?
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MagnesG
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There you go, retard.
Jayjayhd34
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Yeah it's bit Wierd they targeted two videos then suddenly stopped. If was this easy to abuse none these videos would be up there. The only video I've seen that was removed was a video with spoiler footage.
Scenario 1: they made a mistake could be just be novice employee etc
Scenario 2: someone is lying and the videos contained footage whether than been still frame who knows.
Paracelsus
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This is the thing, they've got the hands full trying to finish the game as well as figure out how and where the leaks happened. Naughty Dog aren't scouring YT for people to slap down with DMCA strikes, they are going to pay a contractor who specializes in this sort of thing to handle it.
The reality being that its doubtful if anyone at ND would actually know which channels were served after the fact, so blaming them and insinuating that it was all part of a fiendish plot is straight up ludicrous. It just shows a pre-existing bias which, as was my point, kinda nullifies the complaint.
Its just emblematic of the stupidity of all this stuff, everything is fitted to a malicious agenda that is just assumed. Essentially its the same "dog whistle" sophistry much beloved of the fringe left.
Its the sort of basic reasoning that ensures that there'll never be any legal blowback on this. Even proving a claim was made in error is way short of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that it was done deliberately with malicious intent.
Sub_Level
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For the game's sales and review scores, it prolly is fine yeah lol
The backlash and word-of-mouth could have an effect on lifetime sales. But I hope folks aren't realistically expecting a bomb cuz yea that ain't happening.
Jayjayhd34
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Sony own last of us IP that's why it's why it's company Sony hires naughty dog have nothing to do with process. However it's cool to hate on ND mommrnt so facts are ivelevant.
DForce
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And she thinks the game is about a Christian cult.
Oh man, I can't wait to see the reaction when people realize they put so much faith in fake rumors.
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RCU005
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For me, the issue is not about Ellie being gay or Abby being a transsexual. For me, the biggest issue is focusing on those two things in a world that has much important problems.
why would the focus on the story be about a Christian group that is against sexual preferences or minority groups of any kind, when they built a world where people must be afraid of the zombie-like people? It’s a post-apocalyptic world where people should be afraid, hungry, desperate, etc. Then, Ellie is inmune, which it should be much more important to the story than her sexuality.
I also don’t care that both Joel and potentially Ellie die. It’s a violent world and it’s very hard to survive, specially when people might be going after Ellie for being inmune (if that is the case). It’s logical that they could not make it, otherwise it would become like Uncharted where no matter what, the protagonist survives.
So I really hope that the sexuality is not the MAIN focus, but a subplot. It would be like going to war and being more worried that there is a black soldier than the actual bullets that are flying anywhere an could kill you any second. It’s just not right!
why would the focus on the story be about a Christian group that is against sexual preferences or minority groups of any kind, when they built a world where people must be afraid of the zombie-like people? It’s a post-apocalyptic world where people should be afraid, hungry, desperate, etc. Then, Ellie is inmune, which it should be much more important to the story than her sexuality.
I also don’t care that both Joel and potentially Ellie die. It’s a violent world and it’s very hard to survive, specially when people might be going after Ellie for being inmune (if that is the case). It’s logical that they could not make it, otherwise it would become like Uncharted where no matter what, the protagonist survives.
So I really hope that the sexuality is not the MAIN focus, but a subplot. It would be like going to war and being more worried that there is a black soldier than the actual bullets that are flying anywhere an could kill you any second. It’s just not right!
so in a post apocalyptic world where people are hanged naked and killed by monsters, joel has to be killed off properly, it has to be the way it is in your head, or its just bad
why cant we just admit that the real problem with tlou2 is not the game but people's interpretation of what the game should be like in their heads, naughtydog did the part one without any one saying shit, and it was loved regardless, now they make the part two, and everyone has to dictate everything, oh joel shouldnt have died, he shouldnt be killed by a girl, he should have gone out in blaze of victory, ill like to remind everyone, thatjoel did the absolute worse thing he could ever has done, because if that was to ever happen in real life, and even if you know joel story, hitting hit by a golf club would be the least of his worries, and second... for all that is pure and holy, this is a fucking video game, like im confused with all this nonsense, if im the only one thinking this way, then i might be the one that has an issue, i see nothing wrong in this game for one bit
Explosive Zombie
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Good question, certainly not something we've learned from any of the leaks, though!
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She won't. Guaranteed. I cannot see a story arc for her ending that way, Abby on the other hand I'd be amazed to see survive.
Just gotta think about the story that they are trying to tell and what goals they would have for it. There has to be a point.
Strategize
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If she did die then I'm glad the ending didn't get leaked, and I'll be able to see it for myself most likely.
I'd probably hate it in hidesight and so would many others, but it'd definitely break me in the moment.
I'd probably hate it in hidesight and so would many others, but it'd definitely break me in the moment.
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Jayjayhd34
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It's going to get leaked though because people will get the game earlier even earlier than normal just lookat how early final fantasy leaked.
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Strategize
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I thought the reason they delayed the game was to solve that issue.
Jayjayhd34
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I doubt it but even in normal circumstance you'll have certain countries selling the game days in advance so it certainly will have whole game spoiled before release.
Audiophile
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Regarding the game itself, even though I find the overly woke/SJW approach to many pieces of entertainment to be exhausting, insulting and totally counter-predictive. I'm willing to give ND as a developer the benefit of the doubt for the time being and make my own decision on the game. Even if I have fundamental disagreements with the likes of Druckman's acquaintances like Anita Sarkeesian, ND have yet to forgo quality in the name of agenda in a final product. If they set a precedent for doing so here then my mind may very well change going forward.
To get an idea of my personal outlook, my only issue in regards to trans people is the proposition of legally/professionally compelled speech regarding pronouns, trans athletes, transitioning children, denying science and forced equity vs equal opportunity. Outside of that, I'm all for people identifying how they like and being who they feel they are; and I think they deserve all the respect the content of their character commands, just like anyone else.
I think the gay/lesbian movement was fundamentally a libertarian movement, it was a case of "let us be who we want to be". And the trans movement may very well have started out with the same good intentions but has unfortunately -- in parts at least -- morphed into a more authoritarian movement that can often directly encroach upon fundamental freedoms.
There's no reason why trans, gay or lesbian people can't be featured in any piece of entertainment and I think it's easy to fall into the trap of, there must be a specific reason for them to be included which directly relates to them being as they are in terms of gender identity or sexuality.
My concern however, and one that has so often been proven right in recent years is that the aforementioned gender identity, sexuality (and even ethnicity) is often presented as the entirety of their being; so much so that the quality and substance of the characters and the story is reduced to that. Alongside this is a total lack of subtlety. We often see hand-me-down characters and franchises with characters reduced to soulless husks. Or characters that serve only to be the "LGBTQ guy/gal". I find it bizarre that this is often celebrated by many of those most vocal in the community; it seems to be that it would be insulting more than anything.
Perhaps ND have introduced a trans character with substance, where their persuasion or identity doesn't present the entirety of their being and it simply serves as a point of motivation or as a catch in the story. Or, perhaps like most creatives as of late, they've shoehorned them in just to be woke and they'll try to smash you round the face with it. We don't know yet..
What has me hopeful at least, is that these characters are supposedly deeply flawed and hell-bent on revenge. This is a big deal, as a lot of the SJW crowd have been obsessed about trans, gay, lesbian or ethnic-minority characters being presented in a positive fashion all the time. True representation isn't all puppy dogs and rainbows and will often be unflattering, not because they're trans for eg. but because they're human.
To be truly represented, included or accepted isn't always to be positively represented, but sometimes negatively too. It's to sometimes be the butt of a joke, without reservation...not because you're trans/gay etc.; even if that is the subject of the joke. But because like anyone else, you're probably flawed, fucked up and idiosyncratic in one way or the other. When people stop making exceptions for you, that is acceptance, when "acceptance" isn't even a conscious decision or a point of contention, it just kinda is.
I'm quietly hopeful for the time being.
If what matters solely to anyone is that there are gay, lesbian, trans or whatever people in the game then I'd argue your only contributing to the divisiveness just as those on the opposite side of the fence do when they demand total compliance. I believe however, that myself and many others just want quality to take precedence and not be relegated to the sidelines in favour of other things, to not be patronised.
To get an idea of my personal outlook, my only issue in regards to trans people is the proposition of legally/professionally compelled speech regarding pronouns, trans athletes, transitioning children, denying science and forced equity vs equal opportunity. Outside of that, I'm all for people identifying how they like and being who they feel they are; and I think they deserve all the respect the content of their character commands, just like anyone else.
I think the gay/lesbian movement was fundamentally a libertarian movement, it was a case of "let us be who we want to be". And the trans movement may very well have started out with the same good intentions but has unfortunately -- in parts at least -- morphed into a more authoritarian movement that can often directly encroach upon fundamental freedoms.
There's no reason why trans, gay or lesbian people can't be featured in any piece of entertainment and I think it's easy to fall into the trap of, there must be a specific reason for them to be included which directly relates to them being as they are in terms of gender identity or sexuality.
My concern however, and one that has so often been proven right in recent years is that the aforementioned gender identity, sexuality (and even ethnicity) is often presented as the entirety of their being; so much so that the quality and substance of the characters and the story is reduced to that. Alongside this is a total lack of subtlety. We often see hand-me-down characters and franchises with characters reduced to soulless husks. Or characters that serve only to be the "LGBTQ guy/gal". I find it bizarre that this is often celebrated by many of those most vocal in the community; it seems to be that it would be insulting more than anything.
Perhaps ND have introduced a trans character with substance, where their persuasion or identity doesn't present the entirety of their being and it simply serves as a point of motivation or as a catch in the story. Or, perhaps like most creatives as of late, they've shoehorned them in just to be woke and they'll try to smash you round the face with it. We don't know yet..
What has me hopeful at least, is that these characters are supposedly deeply flawed and hell-bent on revenge. This is a big deal, as a lot of the SJW crowd have been obsessed about trans, gay, lesbian or ethnic-minority characters being presented in a positive fashion all the time. True representation isn't all puppy dogs and rainbows and will often be unflattering, not because they're trans for eg. but because they're human.
To be truly represented, included or accepted isn't always to be positively represented, but sometimes negatively too. It's to sometimes be the butt of a joke, without reservation...not because you're trans/gay etc.; even if that is the subject of the joke. But because like anyone else, you're probably flawed, fucked up and idiosyncratic in one way or the other. When people stop making exceptions for you, that is acceptance, when "acceptance" isn't even a conscious decision or a point of contention, it just kinda is.
I'm quietly hopeful for the time being.
If what matters solely to anyone is that there are gay, lesbian, trans or whatever people in the game then I'd argue your only contributing to the divisiveness just as those on the opposite side of the fence do when they demand total compliance. I believe however, that myself and many others just want quality to take precedence and not be relegated to the sidelines in favour of other things, to not be patronised.
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lol i like this chick, she is a savage
I'm embarrassed for her, its so bad its almost a parody.
Pretty much everything that she says is demonstrably wrong, its so far off-base in fact I started to wonder if she's actually looked into any of this herself or is simply sperging out based on stuff she's read online.
Honestly, all it would take is for her to actually watch the 90mins of leaked footage to realize how cringe-inducingly far off-base she is.
DavJay
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I understand ND’s agenda but they are horribly going about it the wrong way. Why must they be hideous? Nadine was just the beginning and now that’ll continue for the foreseeable future. Shit is just getting worst if this is any indication. Not even realistic. Video games are entertainment, make everyone beautiful.
Jill Valentine, Fem Shepard, Bastila, and heck even their own Ellie Are good example of powerful female protagonist.
Jill Valentine, Fem Shepard, Bastila, and heck even their own Ellie Are good example of powerful female protagonist.
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