I dunno, it would be very hard to fit in a twisted looking guy with a cackling voice and wearing a hooded robe into this show and have any one of these much more realistically depicted people throw their hands up and say "wait wait wait, we are listening to THAT GUY?"
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Andor |OT| Disney+
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Ulysses 31
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So Vader then?
Sure, even jedi, especially as depicted in the PT and ST would be quite jarring.So Vader then?
Imagine Vader walking into that imperial security/intelligence room and barking orders and force choking people. Just wouldn't fit tonally or thematically I don't think.
I'm indifferent. Star Wars has never been about the narrative. Further detail about star wars would be a fair trade for an unchained Andor.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
The de-aging tech is world's better than what they already did with Luke at the end of Mandalorian Season 2 which was pretty impressive!
They could easily film Sir Ian doing a few scenes and de-age him in post effects to make him look as he would in that era. Even if they didn't want to go that route, they could still record him doing some audio for scenes.
EDIT-- Wait lol....maybe i have the timeline wrong in my head. During Andor, is Palpatine already a mess? If so nvm on the de-aging comment lol, but they could still use his voice for scenes.
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Yerd
Member
He got prune faced when he battled Mace Windu. But the man himself is 78, according to wiki, he might not be up to the challenge. I'm sure they can do competent scenes without even seeing his face. Like the throne in the ship and all we see is the back of the throne. Or hood cloaking everything in darkness. Sam Witwer can voice him again. He sounded good enough before.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
This episode kept things moving at a good pace IMO. I like how it showed Andor trying to reel things in, but we as viewers knew he couldn't and fate and the totalitarian nature of the Empire intervened regardless.
The score remains banging. This music man. Fits the scenes so well and makes ya nod your head.
The score remains banging. This music man. Fits the scenes so well and makes ya nod your head.
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HoodWinked
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holy crap that prison concept is such a mind fuck. crazy just how thoughtfully the showrunners have realized it, so meticulously detailed the illusion of freedom, its clean and sterile facade. the tasteless soylent.
Deanington
Member
This is becoming one of my favorite things to come out of Star Wars. The writing, acting, set pieces, cinematography, and the blink and you might miss it detailed dialogue is so fucking good. This show really nails the details over all. Finally some SW that isn’t bad.
ManaByte
Member
No time skip this season. It covers a year. Next season has time skips as it covers four years.
pramod
Banned
Another amazing episode. The prison scenes were some dark twisted shit i would never dreamed you would see in a Star Wars show.
And thats probably my only complaint about this show. Its feeling less and less like Star Wars. One of the main things is the almost complete lack of non-human alien species. Like in the prison there wasnt a single alien, just all human, which was weird. I dont know if it was a deliberate choice, or they are trying to save costs?
And thats probably my only complaint about this show. Its feeling less and less like Star Wars. One of the main things is the almost complete lack of non-human alien species. Like in the prison there wasnt a single alien, just all human, which was weird. I dont know if it was a deliberate choice, or they are trying to save costs?
Considering what happens in Rogue One, what did you expect?
Mossybrew
Banned
This whole prison segment is a perfect example of how this show is on a whole other level. Any other lesser SW show would have had him in some metallic cubicle with a force field on one side, there you go, Cassians in jail good enough. The amount of thought and production design that went into - hey, what would an Empire megaprison really be like - this show is fucking brilliant.
I did not enjoy Andor's abrupt incarceration. I felt like the show did not allow Andor enough time to decompile what happened after the heist. I loved the subsequent episode. I am baffled by the amount of focus paid to making the prison into a hellscape. The development of the prison is enough to be the intro of a completely separate movie. The lack of imperial iconography and the bright contrasting environment made me forget that I was watching Star Wars.
Yerd
Member
I think this is the point. The empire's overbearing attitude and relentless pace of how it affects Cassian is what makes him into the man the rebellion needs.
I'm ok with him being in prison. I think that his arrest happened too quickly considering the amount of time spent on development of other events.
Yerd
Member
We're supposed to take that heist as a massive scale robbery. Even though it didn't take that much to pull off. The idea I get is they are reacting to this heist immediately with a tyranical, oppressive response. They sent out the space pigeons and the message is to crack down on any offense.
Beating him down with oppression at every corner is making him more ruthlessly rebelious. The more time he has to decompress reduces his hatred too.
My surprise with that episode was how short gollum was. Diego isn't that tall and he was towering over gollum.
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I fully agree with you. I'm talking about the pacing more than the content. Andor has previously been pretty meticulous in furthering the plot and I felt the arrest was way too quick. I would have liked to see more of the oppression and crackdown onscreen. As is, I was super confused as to what happened until the following week.
I think it was kinda the point, that both him and us the viewers are a bit wtf just happened.
Really impressed with the prison ep. Shows how the Empire scales its production with what is effectively slave labor, how it crushes the will of the population by setting arbitrary standards for incarceration, and gave Andor's garrison operation real consequences to the world and characters. Also makes for a genuinely harrowing situation for our protag to deal with now.
Written by someone who has internalized history but isn't copy-pasting it, thanks to the well-realized science fiction aspects and worldbuilding.
Written by someone who has internalized history but isn't copy-pasting it, thanks to the well-realized science fiction aspects and worldbuilding.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Yea gotta agree, this is the best depiction of how the empire would be assholes and how they would operate this giant military machine that needs a lot of manufactured goods.
Brilliant show so far.
Brilliant show so far.
HoodWinked
Member
its definitely cheaper, sometimes things just happen to align by chance. having it all humans probably better invokes prison imagery where as having all kinds of different aliens would give it a different feel a bit of a spectacle and cartoonish vibe. But they did go the extra step of explaining why this was the case, when the officers asked prisoners their home planet before sending them off.
They are being budget coconscious though, the boots the guards were wearing were just snowboarding boots. But it always feels like they're cutting costs where it's not as important to spend elsewhere for maximum effect.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Palpatine didn’t even care enough to show up in the first movie. And when he showed up I’m empire he had weird monkey eyes.
ManaByte
Member
The show is using real sets and real locations and not the Volume though.
FunkMiller
Member
So, I thought the sequels were trash, Boba Fett show was trash, didn't watch that Obi Wan crap, and kinda like the Mando. Not been much of a SW fan for many years.
Is there any point in me trying to watch this? Is it a good show, irrespective of all the fan wankery and nostalgia crap?
Is there any point in me trying to watch this? Is it a good show, irrespective of all the fan wankery and nostalgia crap?
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Yerd
Member
I can't guess what things you like. Some people like this show, some people don't. It's full of character building and lots of dialogue and not much action for a typical star wars product. There is no fan bullshit going on here. The only things pulled from other sources are Mon Mothma and Andor and Coruscant. All new characters and mostly all new planets. Not a single lightsaber.
PaddyOCanager
Member
If you're going to watch it, at least commit to the first 3 episodes. The show runs in 3-episode arcs outside of one standalone episode so far. It's like an hour and a half commitment to watch the first arc.
I agree with everything you said in the first paragraph, and I like this show a lot. It's a decent sci fi show irrespective of the Star Wars brand, but if you had/have any love for the franchise it certainly elevates it. There is nostalgia but it requires a sharp eye and pretty deep knowledge of the lore to notice.
kutthoat5150
Member
I feel similar to this but really like Mando which unsurprisingly, were the best episodes during Boba Fett when he was in them. I think I actually prefer SW when it's more grounded in reality without magic and Jedi fluff. Andor is not only some of the best SW content to come out in a while, but also one of the best written shows out right now. It's definitely on the slower side and I can understand why it won't be to everybody's taste but it's kept me intrigued since the start even the really slow "filler" episodes.
DKehoe
Gold Member
I’d say give it a go. It’s a lot less dependent on fan service and nostalgia than the other stuff has been. There’s a lot less “check it out, it’s this guy!”
In the same boat as you and liking it a lot. It's more slow burn political intrigue, espionage, and worldbuilding than a whizz-bang show, and in that way it's unlike anything Star Wars before it, but it's executed very well. Takes a few episodes to hit its stride.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Agree. For me the first two episodes were kinda boring, but I guess that's what you get with slow series such as Andor. Lots of characters introductions and some development, but nothing really happens.
Then you get to the second arc and man, I fell in love with this series. Those chapters felt like some kind of WWII movie set in the SW universe, and it was so well done and taking itself so seriously that I couldn't believe I was watching a SW show, specially after Obi-Wan. Latests episodes have also been great and I can't wait to see where this is going.
Madflavor
Member
Was gonna say, watching Star Wars YT content creators like Star Wars Theory hate on Andor and finding it boring, is one of the funnier things I've seen come of this wonderful show. RedLetterMedia was ahead of the curve on this, but there is unquestionable a section of the Star Wars fanbase that just wants member berries.
PaddyOCanager
Member
Yeah, not gonna lie his opinion on SW has somewhat diminished in my eyes due to his reaction to Andor. He fawns over the cartoon "Tales of the Jedi" series, which is fine, but it's clear all he wants is action, space magic and lightsabers.
I guess they were right all along.........Star Wars really is for "children". If two seasons of Andor is the last time we get this handling of Star Wars, so be it.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
So this is way better than Boba Fett? I mean, I don't even really like Mandalorian, but I always want to enjoy Star Wars.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Boba Fett is a daytime soap opera rerun compared to this. Makes Andor look like The Sopranos.
Caffeine
Gold Member
just watched all 8 released episodes it has good world building, some cool locations to see, but its a lot of talking and no action. just not my cup of tea ill stick with the last 4 episodes but I dont really see me coming back for a season 2, and i didnt even like the boba fett show.
DKehoe
Gold Member
You didn't think the heist was a good action set piece?
Caffeine
Gold Member
it was but i had to watch 5.5 episodes to get to that. 95% politics 5% action, personally just dont like slow burn shows.
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nush
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It had THX1138 vibes to it, nice reference.
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Ammogeddon
Member
Another solid episode.
Looks like my boi Andy Serkis is going to turn after all. Hope he lives through the escape but I’m not holding my breath.
I continue to be impressed with the writing and acting in this show including those with small parts. The torture doctor came across like a friendly bloke casually sharing an anecdote, which incidentally was horrific.
Looks like my boi Andy Serkis is going to turn after all. Hope he lives through the escape but I’m not holding my breath.
I continue to be impressed with the writing and acting in this show including those with small parts. The torture doctor came across like a friendly bloke casually sharing an anecdote, which incidentally was horrific.
Syril has a crush. He's into being treated like garbage thanks to his warped relationship with his mother. Oof.
Pretty intense torture scene, effective use of what isn't shown to the audience directly along with seeing the aftermath in Bix's eyes.
A lot of hubris involved with repopulating the end of term prisoners, but they think they can get away with it.
Pretty intense torture scene, effective use of what isn't shown to the audience directly along with seeing the aftermath in Bix's eyes.
A lot of hubris involved with repopulating the end of term prisoners, but they think they can get away with it.
PaddyOCanager
Member
Show continues to deliver. There's really not much more to be said, this is the best Star Wars live action in decades. I hope they continue to invest in storytelling like this after Season 2, but that's a fool's hope.