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[BadBurger]

I have enjoyed the show, but my kids would not, so I have not watched it with them. Unfortunately kids like stupid colored scooters.

I follow pretty much all Star Wars topics on Twitter . I've only come across a few young users who like it. Seriously, like two, maybe three. They mostly say it's boring, and as of the latest episode, I've seen many complaining that too many characters die.

Meanwhile Tony Gilroy be cranking out these adult scripts for people with refined tastes like

Andor and Rogue One are the only new Star Wars productions worth a damn. They are both surprisingly well written for franchise work. Both develop a very interesting period in the story. I approve.

I agree that it's the best Star Wars show, but The Mandalorian is also quality television - it's just obviously geared more towards the swashbuckling, lightsaber twirling side of the franchise. Which is fine. I love the hell out of both shows.

Obi-Wan though, in hindsight, was just really poorly written stuff. The Book of Boba Fett's best episode focused upon Mando, Ashoka, Grogu, and Luke Skywalker. That final season of the Clone Wars was boring (to be fair though I was never a fan of that show).

I just hope these lower numbers don't provoke the writers of Ashoka to do anything drastic. Nothing lighter than The Mandalorian, please.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I understand your issue and I am asking for specific examples. I'm the first to slag on new star wars stuff. Every new entry into the franchise except Andor and Rogue One feels bloated and lacking creative direction. Andor's episodes are around 5-10 minutes shorter than the other new series and I think that decision makes for much tighter storytelling.

Is it the lack of action that bothers you? Or is it something else?

Mmm well, you need to understand where I am coming from:

I have been watching:

She-Hulk
Andor
Rings of power

But just last Saturday I binge a show on Netflix called: Arcane....and I was like...Oh, this what an actual amazing show looks like.

So, Arcane achieves in 3-4 episodes what any of the three previous shows couldn't or just reach in twice the episodes.

I other words; I don't have any issues with Andor perse, it is that I just watched a show orders of magnitude better, that puts in perspective the quality of the three previous ones.

 

[Lasha]

I follow pretty much all Star Wars topics on Twitter - I use that platform primarily to keep up with entertainment news. I've only come across a few young users who like it. Seriously, like two, maybe three. They mostly say it's boring, and as of the latest episode, I've seen many complaining that too many characters die.

Meanwhile Tony Gilroy be cranking out these adult scripts for people with refined tastes like

I agree that it's the best Star Wars show, but The Mandalorian is also quality television - it's just obviously geared more towards the swashbuckling, lightsaber twirling side of the franchise. Which is fine. I love the hell out of both shows.

Obi-Wan though, in hindsight, was just really poorly written stuff. The Book of Boba Fett's best episode focused upon Mando, Ashoka, Grogu, and Luke Skywalker. That final season of the Clone Wars was boring (to be fair though I was never a fan of that show).

I just hope these lower numbers don't provoke the writers of Ashoka to do anything drastic. Nothing lighter than The Mandalorian, please.

I enjoyed the first bit of mandalorian when it was him doing missions. The character lost much of its allure when the mask came off and lost it entirely when he got a mandalorian team, a lightsaber, while he chilled with you know who. I'm fully expecting Din to be the second coming of Christ by the end of the series.

Mmm well, you need to understand where I am coming from:

I have been watching:

She-Hulk
Andor
Rings of power

But just last Saturday I binge a show on Netflix called: Arcane....and I was like...Oh, this what an actual amazing show looks like.

So, Arcane achieves in 3-4 episodes what any of the three previous shows couldn't or just reach in twice the episodes.

I other words; I don't have any issues with Andor perse, it is that I just watched a show orders of magnitude better, that puts in perspective the quality of the three previous ones.

It's interesting that you mention Arcane because pacing is a common gripe with the show. The back half of the series are rushed to a conclusion. It's arc isn't that much different from Andor either right down to the culling of the initial crew. I reckon you like a bit more action in your shoes which would make Andor a slog.

 

[BadBurger]

I enjoyed the first bit of mandalorian when it was him doing missions. The character lost much of its allure when the mask came off and lost it entirely when he got a mandalorian team, a lightsaber, while he chilled with you know who. I'm fully expecting Din to be the second coming of Christ by the end of the series.

lmao, fair point.

 

[Sub_Level]

Weird episode, in a good way. The shot of the K unit coming up from the beach looked cool. Glad that we’re still spending so much time with Dedra & Syril. I’m surprised their paths haven’t crossed yet but SW is actually portrayed as a big galaxy in this so makes sense.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Weird episode, in a good way. The shot of the K unit coming up from the beach looked cool. Glad that we’re still spending so much time with Dedra & Syril. I’m surprised their paths haven’t crossed yet but SW is actually portrayed as a big galaxy in this so makes sense.

Yeah, they are being meticulous in the set up. I really dig it, I just wish I could binge the whole story already. It's clear they are setting up a radical wing of The Rebellion led by Luthen vs The Rebellion from the OT led by Mon Mothma. I love the peek into the internal workings of The Empire as well - all of this is playing out so damn good.

I still can't believe this show got made. A character no one cares about, and a premise that is anti-Disney Star Wars. It's clear they have a story to tell and aren't compromising or cutting corners to get there. I'll be very surprised if we do get a season 2, whether pressure will force the showrunners to Disney-fy the story. I fully expect the show to fly off the rails every time I tune in to a new episode, but it continues to maintain.

At this point, the only major SW character I'd enjoy seeing in this series is Grand Admiral Thrawn - maybe in season 2. Thrawn is a character that demands smarter-than-Disney writing to do justice. I feel like this is the one series that could bring him to life, and not just in Disney's usual exploitative way they handle big characters.

 

[Stitch]

Thrawn is in the Ahsoka series

 

[ManaByte]

Thrawn is in the Ahsoka series

The Ahsoka series is a sequel to Rebels.

 

[Stitch]

I know that

 

[Tieno]

Great episode, might be my favorite, especially the beginning
The world building with the rebellion and the emperial stuff is great. The way the rebellion exploits the edges of the sectors and how the empire starts to realize this is handled very well, great stuff.
Mon Mothma is just captivating to watch, character and actress.

 

[Stitch]

Cereals, TVs and pistachios are now canon

 

[AJUMP23]

Setup episode. They didn’t go to space. For Star Wars they are not in the stars that much.

 

[Trunx81]

Slow burning, but the dread coming from the empire is feelable in every scene. Though Cassians “arrest” at the end felt a bit forced. But even that fits with the rest of the story, having all planets given strikter rules to follow as fallout of the attack.

Maybe we’re getting a K-Unit reprogrammed …

 

[Roufianos]

Definitely the best 'filler' episode if you could call it that.

 

[ManaByte]

Maybe we’re getting a K-Unit reprogrammed …

That’s happening in the show but it might not be until next season which covers the last four years before Rogue One.

 

[ADiTAR]

i love this show, everything about it except the main actor. The show def carries him thru it all so it's still great. I dunno what exactly it is about him, but it's like he has one expression most of the time, not a lot of nuance.

 

[ManaByte]

Anyone who tries to pretend that The Force Unleashed origin of the Rebellion is better than this should be laughed off the internet.

 

[Sub_Level]

Cereals, TVs and pistachios are now canon

IIRC in Attack of the Clones there was live sports being shown at a Coruscant bar.

 

[Stitch]

mhhh true

Still feels different to see them inside a Star Wars apartment. It's the first time in Star Wars where it feels like people actually live there.

I also like how it looks like everything was designed in the 70s

 

[jason10mm]

Caught up with eps 4-6. Love the show, but it feels more like a DUNE show than star wars. No droids, almost no aliens, too many recognizable repurposed modern items (of all the rifles, they picked an AK with those ultra recognizable features?). Those natives were the exact same random racial mix as Courusant, whatever the first planet was, and the Imperial forces. There is no sense of identity other than language.

Still, it is a pretty good show. Loved the proper sand table, insertion, and feeling of anxiety about initiating the mission. TIE fighters are scary, the Empire feels semi competent at worse, lethal at best. The actual heist was a big Meh, that one guy can open the vault and the money "locks" pop right off. They boosted what, 10-15% of that vault and it was 80 mill? Really gives scale to the bankroll

What happened with the Indian lady? Suiciding it? Hoping to blend in with the natives? That part seemed odd since they were playing up the relationship between her and the blonde lady.

If ep7 is stand alone I'll watch it, otherwise I'll wait for the next arc because otherwise the eps individually are not narratively very complete.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

If ep7 is stand alone I'll watch it, otherwise I'll wait for the next arc because otherwise the eps individually are not narratively very complete.

It's standalone. It basically updates us on each character's situation after the fallout of previous events and sets the stage for what is to come. Watch it. The next "arc" starts with 8-10.

 

[Lasha]

Those natives were the exact same random racial mix as Courusant, whatever the first planet was, and the Imperial forces. There is no sense of identity other than language.

I've had the same issue with other shows lately. I'm all for diverse casting just do it intelligently. Seeing every group of characters follow the racial demographics is awful. Aldhani is supposed to be a remote and insular planet, make them all Korean for all I care. Want black elves? Make all elves black. Audiences can handle it. Dune is such an enduring work because of how naturally Herbert wove Islam and other cultures into a believable setting. More like that.

7 will satisfy your alien desires though. There are a few scenes which are prequel trilogy Denny's level of cool. Definitely worth a watch.

 

[ManaByte]

No droids,

Wat

 

[Mossybrew]

Am I the only one starting to kind of root for Karn? I enjoyed the scenes of him staring down the barrel of a lifetime as office worker drone, I will be pleased to see how he breaks out of this and actually does something. The scenes with Cassian and Maarva at home were also really well done.

 

[jason10mm]

No droids,

Wat

Were there any in the last couple of eps? There is that thing on the ship, but that's about all I remember. The Imperial base especially felt devoid of droids. All that heavy loading of credits and its all done by soldiers? The painting is done by soldiers? Seems like a few heavy loader droids would have made it feel more "star warsy".

Now I don't need beep boop beep sidekicks or slapsticky droids like in Solo, but at least some background stuff would be nice.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Were there any in the last couple of eps? There is that thing on the ship, but that's about all I remember. The Imperial base especially felt devoid of droids. All that heavy loading of credits and its all done by soldiers? The painting is done by soldiers? Seems like a few heavy loader droids would have made it feel more "star warsy".

Now I don't need beep boop beep sidekicks or slapsticky droids like in Solo, but at least some background stuff would be nice.

Episode 7 has droids too haha. I saw at least 3 different kinds in addition to the main red droid from the ship/home. So that's 4 in one episode and I wasn't really looking for droids.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Meanwhile Tony Gilroy be cranking out these adult scripts for people with refined tastes like

I really hope that the first-look deal Tony signed with Disney includes a new Star Wars trilogy. This show has exceeded all expectations.

 

[Bragr]

I can't believe people aren't watching this, finally a seriously great Star Wars product and it's not finding its viewers, even on Disney+, it's tanking.

I fear it's losing a lot of critical viewers to piracy. It's doing far worse than shit like Obi-Wan and Boba Fett. It's a shame, where are all the Star Wars fans now?

 

[jason10mm]

I'd argue that Fett and Obi-Wan, being SO BAD, are the real reasons Andor was viewed with extreme skepticism.

Granted, it isn't a little kid show, but I'm not sure Fett and Obi-Wan were either (by intent, though the end result was so amateur only a child could appreciate.it).

I can only hope that Andor somehow is fairly cheap to make compared to those other shows but I doubt it.

Then again, Andor has a shot at the Emmys IMO, while nothing else on D+ is even close.

 

[Yerd]

I'm on another forum that talks about this show and a lot of them don't like it. This is a forum of mainly adults. Lot's of "boring" and "who is this guy" "my kids don't like it."

 

[jason10mm]

I'm on another forum that talks about this show and a lot of them don't like it. This is a forum of mainly adults. Lot's of "boring" and "who is this guy" "my kids don't like it."

Stay off video game forums, nothing but dumpster fires.....

 

[Yerd]

Stay off video game forums, nothing but dumpster fires.....

AVSforum

This is the only gaming place I look at.

 

[Lasha]

I'd argue that Fett and Obi-Wan, being SO BAD, are the real reasons Andor was viewed with extreme skepticism.

Granted, it isn't a little kid show, but I'm not sure Fett and Obi-Wan were either (by intent, though the end result was so amateur only a child could appreciate.it).

I can only hope that Andor somehow is fairly cheap to make compared to those other shows but I doubt it.

Then again, Andor has a shot at the Emmys IMO, while nothing else on D+ is even close.

Disney makes entertainment for children and adults that think like children. Andor is a show for adults draped in a franchise for children. I am unsurprised that Disney's core audience is disinterested. Adults who debate the nuances of the MCU aren't going to be interested in character driven shows.

 

[Jaybe]

I can't believe people aren't watching this, finally a seriously great Star Wars product and it's not finding its viewers, even on Disney+, it's tanking.

It might be doing better than what was reported. This guy who published the ‘Andor views versus other Star Wars shows’ graph that seemed to get posted and referenced a lot, admits to being a dumb fuck who can’t enter correct numbers and his chart was botched.

 

[Bragr]

I'm on another forum that talks about this show and a lot of them don't like it. This is a forum of mainly adults. Lot's of "boring" and "who is this guy" "my kids don't like it."

Most people are pretty casual and want TV like they want their fast food.

But this is Star Wars. It has a gigantic fanbase. And Andor is so good that it should catch a lot of those Mandalorian fans, I thought.

It makes you wonder what shows like The Sopranos and The Wire would muster in 2022.

 

[Bragr]

It might be doing better than what was reported. This guy who published the ‘Andor views versus other Star Wars shows’ graph that seemed to get posted and referenced a lot, admits to being a dumb fuck who can’t enter correct numbers and his chart was botched.

Let's hope that is true.

And damn, it's wild how so many sites reported on this as "facts from an analyst", and no one checked it.

 

[jason10mm]

All of Andor is in the can, right? Or is that 12 ep second season still to be made?

 

[pramod]

I'm on another forum that talks about this show and a lot of them don't like it. This is a forum of mainly adults. Lot's of "boring" and "who is this guy" "my kids don't like it."

I know that on places like reddit, a lot of people deliberately post negative comments on the show because they know that this show is popular with Angry Joe and other reviewers on Youtube that like to bash "woke" shows like Rings of Power and She-Hulk.
Some kind of weird tit-for-tat. ie you hate on my show, I will hate on your show. Dumb and childish? Yeah. But sadly that's what the internet has become.

 

[ADiTAR]

I know that on places like reddit, a lot of people deliberately post negative comments on the show because they know that this show is popular with Angry Joe and other reviewers on Youtube that like to bash "woke" shows like Rings of Power and She-Hulk.
Some kind of weird tit-for-tat. ie you hate on my show, I will hate on your show. Dumb and childish? Yeah. But sadly that's what the internet has become.

Yeah, I've seen the same Youtubers who (rightfully) hate She-hulk and RoP dump on this too. Even Critical Drinker liked it but kinda backed off once he saw that his fellas wanted to hate it.

 

[ManaByte]

Yeah, I've seen the same Youtubers who (rightfully) hate She-hulk and RoP dump on this too. Even Critical Drinker liked it but kinda backed off once he saw that his fellas wanted to hate it.

You’re saying they’re shitting on stuff they actually like just to please their psychotic viewers and make money? That’s impossible!

 

[Sub_Level]

All of Andor is in the can, right? Or is that 12 ep second season still to be made?

S2 is greenlit, we are safe, but it still has to be filmed & post-produced.

Work on Star Wars: Andor's Season 2 Begins Before the End of 2022

Andor showrunner Tony Gilroy confirms that production on the Star Wars series' second 12-episode season will kick off in November 2022.

www.cbr.com

 

[Trunx81]

My dad started to watch it yesterday and asked after two episodes “when does it get better?” I encouraged him to continue and after episode 4 he said “ok now it’s getting a lot better”.

Maybe the first two episodes have a problem to hook the audience. Imagine coming from ObiWan and looking for a typical SW story. And then you get Andor: Dark, gritty, story driven. Destroys all of your expectations. And you have to adapt or walk away.

Like the next GoT series would be a light hearted comedy.

 

[ADiTAR]

You’re saying they’re shitting on stuff they actually like just to please their psychotic viewers and make money? That’s impossible!

tbf, Critical Drinker didn't waver so much he responded that he liked it. Though It'll be interesting if he'll do a video about it.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Romulus]

Damn, imagine Obi-Wan with this level of production and script. Instead what we got felt like it was written by early 2000s teens tripping on shrooms. "Cool! Now Vader just looks at obi through the flames and does nothing! Why? Because!"

 

[Lasha]

My dad started to watch it yesterday and asked after two episodes “when does it get better?” I encouraged him to continue and after episode 4 he said “ok now it’s getting a lot better”.

Maybe the first two episodes have a problem to hook the audience. Imagine coming from ObiWan and looking for a typical SW story. And then you get Andor: Dark, gritty, story driven. Destroys all of your expectations. And you have to adapt or walk away.

Like the next GoT series would be a light hearted comedy.

I kinda wish Andor wasn't part of the star wars franchise. The series would benefit from being outside of star wars continuity, SW fan expectations, and Disney's commercial constraints.

Wait did the lightsaber thing actually happen? I only watched one or two episodes before losing interest.

 

[ManaByte]

I kinda wish Andor wasn't part of the star wars franchise. The series would benefit from being outside of star wars continuity, SW fan expectations, and Disney's commercial constraints.

But we’re getting a great origin of the Rebel Alliance in this.

 

[nush]

K2SO origin story coming!

 

[Ulysses 31]

Wait did the lightsaber thing actually happen? I only watched one or two episodes before losing interest.

Yes in Ep4 IIRC when he rescues Leia again.

 

[Sub_Level]

We have to get some sort of Palpatine appearance at some point right? Even just a 2 second appearance on a news monitor. This show doesn’t care about putting in fanservice cameos, but in this case Palpatine is the Emperor of what the protagonist is rebelling against. It would be weird NOT to show him.