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[nkarafo]

I used the data; you screamed, "It's impossible! Those must be filthy woke activists!"

Well yeah, such data relies 100% on "trust me bro". Why would i trust them when they themselves seem to push this agenda themselves?

I'm not saying Capcom is the most trustworthy publisher in the world and they got caught censoring stuff themselves but as a Japanese game company i don't think they are at the stage where they will get out of their way to push any kind of political agenda yet so i'm sure their survey agrees more with reality.

 

[VitoNotVito]

Well yeah, such data relies 100% on "trust me bro". Why would i trust them when they themselves seem to push this agenda themselves?

I'm not saying Capcom is the most trustworthy publisher in the world and they got caught censoring stuff themselves but as a Japanese game company i don't think they are at the stage where they will get out of their way to push any kind of political agenda yet so i'm sure their survey agrees more with reality.

So again, the report from 100 years old/$3.5B/15 000 employee company that does pretty much nothing but market research is a "trust me bro" source but some game developer with a random customer survey and with a very shady past is "OK"?

Brother, you're talking about someone using "their feelings" in the arguments instead of reason, and then suddenly, with what you just said, you pretty much lost any credibility in an argument...

 

[Js562]

Yes it's a shame. Games are still good but developers tend to always add bullshit to appease to that certain crowd. Shit doesn't end well for their games. Leave it out

 

[Doom85]

Honestly I'd get rid of discussions on woke and DEI on GAF entirely. The whole conversation has clear political connotations and sides and just blur the lines while adding nothing of value. The shit infects every single fucking thread on this board.

It would definitely be a good call as far as I’m concerned. Or at least make an entirely separate section for these sorts of discussions, and let Gaming and Off-Topic be free of all this.

 

[amigastar]

Honestly I'd get rid of discussions on woke and DEI on GAF entirely. The whole conversation has clear political connotations and sides and just blur the lines while adding nothing of value. The shit infects every single fucking thread on this board.

So true, keep this political shit as much as it can away from gaming. It's tiresome honestly.

 

[DoubleClutch]

This isnt evidence that entertainment media is influencing people to become trans? What media is even featuring a bunch of trans characters that a kid would ge watching? TLOU2 has a singular trans character but kids shouldn't be playing that anyway, literally couldn't even name a movie or TV show character who is trans in any major work that any kid would be exposed to..

You're not the guy making the original argument but you both are attempted to correlate the two things that don't really correlate.



Now what is the question I've been asking YOU. Because my "now what" is nothing. Live and let live. Let em figure it out. These kids wanna be trans more often? Let em figure it out. Not my place, nor my concern to trying and stop them.

You keep trying to relate this to gaming and media so again, where's all these trans characters kids are seeing influencing them to do this?

You asked for scientific research dismissing another poster’s view. I gave you said evidence. All you do is dismiss it and move the goal posts.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

Yall want discussion about woke/DEI shit removed from the forum

But ironically, don’t see the point of us wanting woke/DEI shit removed from video games

 

[nkarafo]

So again, the report from 100 years old/$3.5B/15 000 employee company that does pretty much nothing but market research is a "trust me bro" source but some game developer with a random customer survey and with a very shady past is "OK"?

Brother, you're talking about someone using "their feelings" in the arguments instead of reason, and then suddenly, with what you just said, you pretty much lost any credibility in an argument...

Advertising the size of the company again and again doesn't change the fact that they seem to push this agenda themselves. In their own website no less.

So yeah, allow me to be skeptical of their data.

 

[Toons]

Yeah, and a lot of these comics do show white characters in positive light, they’re not demonizing white people. In Green Lantern/Green Arrow, it’s primarily Green Arrow who is helping Hal Jordan be more aware of racial discrimination and other political issues. In Ultimate Spider-Man, Peter is seen as a hero at the end by all, Miles is criticized by many in-universe for taking on the mantle of someone who is now beloved by almost everyone, and Ultimate Peter even comes back to life later. I’ve not read Ironheart yet (I’ve heard to skip the first run as it‘s bad but her second run is better apparently) but I never heard any talk of the comic villain-ifying Tony or anything, and they didn’t do that to Tony in Black Panther 2 either.

I’m not saying there are zero comics that are guilty of going too far (I heard some of the America Chavez comics get a bit hateful, though I could be wrong. Nothing wrong with her MCU version though), but it’s definitely not the norm.

Ive never read riris stuff, but I've read her in other books. She's literally a nightwing to Tony's batman, she was inspired by him in part and he noticed her genius and they both kinda do their own thing and work together sometimes. Thats literally it lol. I have no idea why THATS the character the mob went after because there are better targets for what they're trying to get across.

I find her perfectly tolerable. I dont love her, I like some of her showings, thats kinda it. Not every character has to be for *everyone* and a character that isnt for *me* isn't automatically an attack on me, nor is it a bad thing.

 

[Sethbacca]

Yall want discussion about woke/DEI shit removed from the forum

But ironically, don’t see the point of us wanting woke/DEI shit removed from video games

We can all actually see the discussions actually happening in the forums and find it obnoxious, whereas 99% of the discussions being had are about made up oppression that isn't actually happening in the video games and you all should simply vote with your wallet and move on from games that don't interest you. The majority of people think you all are ridiculous.

 

[VitoNotVito]

Advertising the size of the company again and again doesn't change the fact that they seem to push this agenda themselves. In their own website no less.

So yeah, allow me to be skeptical of their data.

It's not advertising, it's using numbers and facts to verify someone's credibility.
Nielsen does market research/media audience research, nothing else. If they get caught selling BS, it hits them very hard.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Yall want discussion about woke/DEI shit removed from the forum

But ironically, don’t see the point of us wanting woke/DEI shit removed from video games

Stop noticing™, you bigot.

 

[Toons]

Yall want discussion about woke/DEI shit removed from the forum

But ironically, don’t see the point of us wanting woke/DEI shit removed from video games

I mean, you guys can't even agree on what woke/dei stuff actually is.

Some say its miles Morales an original afrolatino character being able to exist, some say its [ancient god or alien] being dark skinned in a game, some say its one or two gay side NPCs in a game, some of you say its playable gay characters, some of you say its any woman in a game who doesn't look like a porn star, or even a straight white blind hair blue eyes girl having big muscles.

And if you're gonna say it's all of the above, then Im sorry but maybe realize this is a you problem. Because the argument of "just make original characters and we'll be ok" has gone out of the window of late too.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

you all should simply vote with your wallet and move on from games that don't interest you.

Have been.

The majority of people think you all are ridiculous.

You sure about that?

 

[Sethbacca]

Have been.


You sure about that?

Dudes who visit video gaming forums are themselves a minority of the gaming population, then there are the dudes who spend their time arguing about this topic in video game forums on either side of the fence who are a minority of a minority of the gaming population. I'm pretty comfortable with that assertion.

You only feel like you're in a majority because GAF is a bubble of this viewpoint.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

Yep, only dudes who visit gaming forums are the ones who are tired of the woke mind virus taking over all of entertainment. Nobody else except a few thousand forum posters on NeoGAF.com care about this shit.

Yep.

 

[ChoosableOne]

This guy has correctly analyzed the player base. Many new indie games are very different from the old-school games that target male players. There are some truly great games among them, but many don’t catch the interest of the male audience(a large portion of the player base). I buy a lot of cute/cozy games for my daughter, but she's currently fascinated with Monster Hunter. I guess girls also get bored of cute games quickly too

 

[Sethbacca]

Yep, only dudes who visit gaming forums are the ones who are tired of the woke mind virus taking over all of entertainment. Nobody else except a few thousand forum posters on NeoGAF.com care about this shit.

Yep.

You guys can't even agree what IS woke because the entire thing is subjective. Any time a white dude isn't on the screen or in a job you're all screeching WOKE or DEI. It's ridiculous because you can't even point to some objective criteria to measure any of this. It's just partisan bickering based on feelings and completely dependent on what media you're partaking in and brigading in that particular moment. It has less to do with video games than the current state of politics.

 

[Madflavor]

The guy in the video definitely got sent to Pray the Gay Away camp by his parents when he was a kid.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

You guys can't even agree what IS woke because the entire thing is subjective. Any time a white dude isn't on the screen or in a job you're all screeching WOKE or DEI. It's ridiculous because you can't even point to some objective criteria to measure any of this. It's just partisan bickering based on feelings and completely dependent on what media you're partaking in and brigading in that particular moment. It has less to do with video games than the current state of politics.

Pretty difficult for everyone to agree 100% on everything but I think there’s a fairly decent general consensus amongst those of us who are against it of what is and isn’t woke.

Spider-Man 2 = woke
Concord = woke
Every female protagonist in games having a giant manly square jaw or being uglier than sin = woke

And uh… yeah, it absolutely does have something to do with politics. The sudden uprising of the radical woke revolution in the last decade - and the sudden decline of western games in the last handful of years have a pretty direct correlation. Gee, you really got me there.

 

[RaduN]

You guys can't even agree what IS woke because the entire thing is subjective. Any time a white dude isn't on the screen or in a job you're all screeching WOKE or DEI. It's ridiculous because you can't even point to some objective criteria to measure any of this. It's just partisan bickering based on feelings and completely dependent on what media you're partaking in and brigading in that particular moment. It has less to do with video games than the current state of politics.

True.

Time and time again i've seen on these forums (and others) people state that every girl with the hair painted blue/green/whatever, must be woke/lgtb/dei/whatever the fuck acronym.

People are becoming more and more braindead on these matters, and it is slowly becoming alarming, slowly but surely.

 

[LectureMaster]

The ignorance and annoyance some folks display here is straight quite farcical and I was thinking last night some folks are gonna get banned.

This morning as I check, they already in the perma ban lost, LMFAO.

 

[Sethbacca]

And uh… yeah, it absolutely does have something to do with politics. The sudden uprising of the radical woke revolution in the last decade - and the sudden decline of western games in the last handful of years have a pretty direct correlation. Gee, you really got me there.

It's not new though, it's been there my entire life. It's just louder because of the internet and people being able to find groups that agree with and amplify these discussions. This is true of both the woke and antiwoke contingent. But at any rate, we're back to the point where you agree the entire discussion is political and should be had at the very least not in the gaming forum.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

It's not new though, it's been there my entire life. It's just louder because of the internet and people being able to find groups that agree with and amplify these discussions.

See this is where you make it clear that you’re being disingenuous.

You’re really saying that these things have been in gaming the entire time, and only just now in the last 5 years people are taking notice and talking about it because “the internet exists now”?

 

[Sethbacca]

See this is where you make it clear that you’re being disingenuous.

You’re really saying that these things have been in gaming the entire time, and only just now in the last 5 years people are taking notice and talking about it because “the internet exists now”?

My fault for the lack of clarity. The left vs right fight is what I was talking about always being there. In the 80s/90s it was the anti gay movement, AIDS, Rodney King, violent video games, etc. the conservative vs progressive fight has always existed it’s only the battleground that changes.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

My fault for the lack of clarity. The left vs right fight is what I was talking about always being there. In the 80s/90s it was the anti gay movement, AIDS, Rodney King, violent video games, etc. the conservative vs progressive fight has always existed it’s only the battleground that changes.

Funny, my entire life I never thought about or paid attention to politics ever. Never had any reason to.

…Until sometime in the last 10 years. I wonder why that is. Guess I just woke up out of bed one morning and thought “Ya know, I think I’m gonna start noticing and caring about political bullshit now”. That’s gotta be what happened.

Definitely not one side becoming radical and attempting to turn the world upside down. Nah, couldn’t be that.

 

[Punished Miku]

Funny, my entire life I never thought about or paid attention to politics ever.

That doesn't surprise me.

 

[Doom85]

Pretty difficult for everyone to agree 100% on everything but I think there’s a fairly decent general consensus amongst those of us who are against it of what is and isn’t woke.

Spider-Man 2 = woke
Concord = woke
Every female protagonist in games having a giant manly square jaw or being uglier than sin = woke

Herd mentality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is true for both many woke and anti-woke. There are plenty of things that likely wouldn’t upset them on their own or at least they wouldn’t make a MASSIVE deal about, but when the vocal minority of either side pretends to represent the majority and starts screaming, “no, you should be angry about this!”, suddenly more and more people get angry.

The problem with bringing up herd mentality is that good luck getting anyone to admit they‘ve fallen prey to it.

Also, I’ve noticed that the majority of anti-woke conveniently don’t go after things that are instantly massive successes. Baldur’s Gate 3 by most anti-woke standards should be “woke”. All party members are pansexual, and the player character can be any sexual orientation or gender identity. The anti-woke should have been livid. But the game was immediately praised highly as soon as it released, and “conveniently” the anti-woke complainers mostly got quiet.

Arcane. The main character is a woman (anti-woke begin slightly raising an eyebrow) who is a tomboy (eyebrow continue to raise now at a higher speed) with THAT sort of haircut (eyebrow begins to skyrocket) and it’s all but stated she’s a lesbian (eyebrow has now reached orbit!). “All right, time for some complaining-oh wait, the show is being massively praised right off the bat, back off, boys, back off!”

And we see in this forum some anti-woke having to resort to attacking comic Miles Morales, because they know the animated Miles films have been successes.

Because making an absolute statement like, “go woke, go broke” instantly caused problems. Because by their rules of what is “woke”, something being “woke” and also being successful makes the statement look bad. So most of the anti-woke quickly go quiet and don’t call out the successful media for being “woke” even though they should based on their own logic.

The only exception being if the successful “woke” entry was following a successful “non-woke” entry, in which case they’ll insist it “only did well because of the previous one, and people didn’t know this new one would be woke!” They say this about Spider-man 2…..except that game had done 5 million after less than two weeks, but proceeded to reach 10 million several months later “despite” a vocal minority screaming about how “woke” the game was.

Don’t get me wrong, tons of woke people have similar tactics. But both sides are clearly guilty of this, and it highlights how their true motivation, consciously or subconsciously, is drama and not an actual sense of morality. If it were the latter, they would stick to their guns even if they knew they were in a losing fight in a particular instance.

 

[i_mean]

That is quite literally not the case. Peter Parker is an actual part of miles origin lmao. And if you think only '"certain people" like miles, you're out if ypuch with reality and the recent games performance proves thus. Miles is popular with everyone, its only "certain people" that gave a problem with him.

Same goes for John Stewart.



Thats not pandering lol. It was pushing back against the pandering that was actually going on.


Where did I say I assumed any character was straight? Every character I'm talking about we know is straight, devs make it very clear when s character is supposed to be straight. They either have a love interest, or they express their sexuality in other ways throughout the game.

Right, to these older white men, they see themselves as the default. When they are pandered too,,,no problem! when someone else is pandered too,,then it's omg...look at the pandering!!! they all of a sudden now care about the pocket books of some company "lol they want to lose money"... every demographic is pandered too to some degree...Caucasians were the primary demo...now others are getting love too...and now white folks are upset, mad, bitching and making long ranting videos about not wanting gay stuff and to bring back men dripping with raw masculinity!!.which ya sounds kinda gay...YET some how call other people pussies.

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

That doesn't surprise me.

It shouldn’t.

No reason for a kid/young adult to pay attention to something when it’s having no effect on their world, and nobody else seems to care or pay attention to it either because it’s a total non-issue.

Yet I know many younger people nowadays who are hyper-political and conscious about these things, even though that was totally not a thing amongst the youth when I was growing up. I wonder what changed. Why the sudden popularity of politics and division over the last ~8 or so years amongst…pretty much every demographic?

Look, I don’t want to keep going with the politics, even though this is clearly and obviously a thread that cannot avoid the subject. So I’ll leave it there for now.

 

[Punished Miku]

It shouldn’t.

No reason for a kid/young adult to pay attention to something when it’s having no effect on their world, and nobody else seems to care or pay attention to it either because it’s a total non-issue.

Yet I know many younger people nowadays who are hyper-political and conscious about these things, even though that was totally not a thing amongst the youth when I was growing up. I wonder what changed. Why the sudden popularity of politics and division over the last ~8 or so years?

Look, I don’t want to keep going with the politics, even though this is clearly and obviously a thread that cannot avoid the subject. So I’ll leave it there for now.

Yeah, I'm sure we both have more we could say but politics talk is not allowed so we can just drop it.

 

[poppabk]

lol, 'Force people to do something' wut?

Who wrote this dumb shit?

The US military.

 

[CuckooBananaNuts]

Politics aside, I swear some of you are from ResetEra.

 

[Sethbacca]

Politics aside, I swear some of you are from ResetEra.

Sorry that you have to deal with dissenting opinions in your echo chamber. I guess?

 

[MostlyPeaceful]

I’m actually glad that discussion is allowed here and not immediately shut down like in the purple asylum.

Even though there’s people here who I clearly disagree with, I’m glad there’s at least a discussion able to be had.

What’s the point of a discussion board where you can’t…discuss things?

 

[CuckooBananaNuts]

Sorry that you have to deal with dissenting opinions in your echo chamber. I guess?

Right. Because you've clearly been able to discuss opposing views as you've so eloquently displayed so far in the discussion.

I actually enjoy debating others. I'm even capable of changing my viewpoints, which I have many times over my long life. It's when people don't bring valid rebuttals to the discussion and just keep yelling "nuh uh!" and throwing straw mans in my direction that I find tiresome.

I’m actually glad that discussion is allowed here and not immediately shut down like in the purple asylum.

Even though there’s people here who I clearly disagree with, I’m glad there’s at least a discussion able to be had.

What’s the point of a discussion board where you can’t…discuss things?

Exactly.

 

[DeafTourette]

My niece has a bisexual mom and a stepmom. Her father is also in her life.

She understands that some boys like boys and some girls like girls and some like both. She likes boys. The child is NOT confused. She's accepting of different people. Not spiders tho.

You don't give kids enough credit for having the ability to understand something that IS simple.

Again, your response is another diversion and doesn't address the core issue at hand. It’s not about whether kids are going to hell or getting basic decency. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It’s about how children are being subjected to intense ideological influences that are pushing them to question and explore complex concepts of identity before they are emotionally or mentally prepared.

You’re again (and again ... and again) completely missing the point by framing this as a matter of whether more kids being gay is an issue or not. This isn't about demonizing or stigmatizing any identity. It’s about preserving childhood innocence and ensuring that children aren’t subjected to aggressive indoctrination from a young age.

You claim there's no "throughline" or "evidence," but you're deliberately ignoring the evidence of increased exposure and indoctrination in education and media. The real issue is not about what kids are doing in their bedrooms but about the premature and sometimes coercive shaping of their identities by external forces.

Stop sidestepping and address the real concern, which is the manipulation of impressionable minds under the guise of progress. If you want to have a substantive discussion, engage with the actual issue rather than deflecting with straw man arguments and irrelevant points.

 

[LRKD]

Lots of people lying that gay inclusion is wide market appeal. It is a total fabrication, look at overwatch those new gay characters don't sell skins. Reaper, Genji, Mercy, Kiriko ect sell skins, the cool/attractive characters sell. The gays don't sell, or at least not enough to warrant more skins compared to the wide market appeal characters. And this is despite the fact that Overwatch has an incredibly gay fanbase.

So much of western media is gay, it's been pushed in tv and film for over 30 years, that most westerner audiences can "deal" with a little bit of gay. After all if you were too picky you couldn't enjoy any western media, because it is so prevalently pushed by Hollywood. But do keep in mind it is a tolerance, not an acceptance by the wider market.
You tolerate a scab; you don't enjoy it. You enjoy a good burger; you don't tolerate it.

So when a game gets too gay it doesn't sell to the wide market. Like Concord, or Dustborn. But as long as it's a little gay it can be tolerated. But don't get that confused like with the overwatch example, it's not that it is selling because of the gay inclusion, it is selling despite it because somewhere behind the gayme, is an enjoyable game that the non gay audiance likes. If it was selling just by gayness alone, it'd sell as well as Dustborn.


And the lie that capitalism is deciding what the market wants is total bull too. There are third party hands muddying the water. Government grants, tax breaks, investment firms, they are all pumping money into development to both hire gays in the industry, and to push gayness in games. That is not the market deciding. I'd even say higher education, what is putting people into the jobs of game development, pushes gayness too. It's all very artificial.

 

[Punished Miku]

Lots of people lying that gay inclusion is wide market appeal. It is a total fabrication, look at overwatch those new gay characters don't sell skins. Reaper, Genji, Mercy, Kiriko ect sell skins, the cool/attractive characters sell. The gays don't sell, or at least not enough to warrant more skins compared to the wide market appeal characters. And this is despite the fact that Overwatch has an incredibly gay fanbase.

So much of western media is gay, it's been pushed in tv and film for over 30 years, that most westerner audiences can "deal" with a little bit of gay. After all if you were too picky you couldn't enjoy any western media, because it is so prevalently pushed by Hollywood. But do keep in mind it is a tolerance, not an acceptance by the wider market.
You tolerate a scab; you don't enjoy it. You enjoy a good burger; you don't tolerate it.

So when a game gets too gay it doesn't sell to the wide market. Like Concord, or Dustborn. But as long as it's a little gay it can be tolerated. But don't get that confused like with the overwatch example, it's not that it is selling because of the gay inclusion, it is selling despite it because somewhere behind the gayme, is an enjoyable game that the non gay audiance likes. If it was selling just by gayness alone, it'd sell as well as Dustborn.


And the lie that capitalism is deciding what the market wants is total bull too. There are third party hands muddying the water. Government grants, tax breaks, investment firms, they are all pumping money into development to both hire gays in the industry, and to push gayness in games. That is not the market deciding. I'd even say higher education, what is putting people into the jobs of game development, pushes gayness too. It's all very artificial.

Is the gayness in the room with us now?

 

[LRKD]

Is the gayness in the room with us now?

So you have no real argument?

 

[Sethbacca]

So when a game gets too gay it doesn't sell to the wide market. Like Concord, or Dustborn. But as long as it's a little gay it can be tolerated.

You all are taking victory laps on Concord as though it was the gayness and wokeness directly that killed this game rather than the fact that it looked like yet another bland Overwatch style hero shooter in an already over saturated GAAS marketplace where most of the games don't have a paywall barrier for entry. Even those of us who aren't anti-woke types just looked at it and yawned.

IMO the failure is less a statement on wokeness as on GAAS and hero shooters, but hey what do I know.

 

[tommib]

Is the gayness in the room with us now?

 

[LRKD]

You all are taking victory laps on Concord as though it was the gayness and wokeness directly that killed this game rather than the fact that it looked like yet another bland Overwatch style hero shooter in an already over saturated GAAS marketplace where most of the games don't have a paywall barrier for entry. Even those of us who aren't anti-woke types just looked at it and yawned.

IMO the failure is less a statement on wokeness as on GAAS and hero shooters, but hey what do I know.

I absolutely agree with Concord. Nearly all non-established GAAS are doomed to fail. And I'd even go as far to say that a game with such terribly ugly characters even if it wasn't a GAAS, and none of them were gay, would never sell well it was just too ugly. That game was doomed twice over.

But taking concord out of my post doesn't really refute anything I said.

 

[RaduN]

So when a game gets too gay it doesn't sell to the wide market. Like Concord, or Dustborn.

I only heard about these games after they were released.
Were they supposed to be this huge billion dollars franchises like, you know, the huge billion dollar franchises?

 

[RoboFu]

Lots of people lying that gay inclusion is wide market appeal. It is a total fabrication, look at overwatch those new gay characters don't sell skins. Reaper, Genji, Mercy, Kiriko ect sell skins, the cool/attractive characters sell. The gays don't sell, or at least not enough to warrant more skins compared to the wide market appeal characters. And this is despite the fact that Overwatch has an incredibly gay fanbase.

So much of western media is gay, it's been pushed in tv and film for over 30 years, that most westerner audiences can "deal" with a little bit of gay. After all if you were too picky you couldn't enjoy any western media, because it is so prevalently pushed by Hollywood. But do keep in mind it is a tolerance, not an acceptance by the wider market.
You tolerate a scab; you don't enjoy it. You enjoy a good burger; you don't tolerate it.

So when a game gets too gay it doesn't sell to the wide market. Like Concord, or Dustborn. But as long as it's a little gay it can be tolerated. But don't get that confused like with the overwatch example, it's not that it is selling because of the gay inclusion, it is selling despite it because somewhere behind the gayme, is an enjoyable game that the non gay audiance likes. If it was selling just by gayness alone, it'd sell as well as Dustborn.


And the lie that capitalism is deciding what the market wants is total bull too. There are third party hands muddying the water. Government grants, tax breaks, investment firms, they are all pumping money into development to both hire gays in the industry, and to push gayness in games. That is not the market deciding. I'd even say higher education, what is putting people into the jobs of game development, pushes gayness too. It's all very artificial.

I do not think being "GAY" is the issue with any of those games. they could have put a footnote in bloodborne " oh and the whole town is gay .. everyone.." and it would still be one of the best games made. its just when you use some agenda as the main point of your game and then on top of that... your game sucks.

 

[TehDark]

I am sick and tired of the agenda they are currently pushing on us and how easily it is to influence the weak minded individuals into pushing this agenda forward, We are nearly at the stage where people are getting fed up and they have had enough. And the fact that people actually try to deny this agenda is getting pushed is even more wild.

 

[Saber]

I am sick and tired of the agenda they are currently pushing on us and how easily it is to influence the weak minded individuals into pushing this agenda forward, We are nearly at the stage where people are getting fed up and they have had enough. And the fact that people actually try to deny this agenda is getting pushed is even more wild.

Most of them result in offucastion tatics. I can't remember how many times I read people trying to deflecting this by demanding a person to "define woke". Notice that is the same strategy about defining a women(all the sudden people need a definition).
And it's not its not that hard to notice when its forced or not. Otherwise games with good presence of characters wouldn't be bashed(Cyberpunk for instance). But all the sudden the same usual suspects pretends those games don't exist. Same could be said about cinematic space, see if someone got complains about Robocop cast, or Matrix.

 

[Kdad]

Its videos like this that are leading to the Pussification of Youtube. JFC stop giving incels a megaphone, its weird.

 

[LRKD]

I only heard about these games after they were released.
Were they supposed to be this huge billion dollars franchises like, you know, the huge billion dollar franchises?

Dustborn was cofunded by the European Commision, and received funding by the Norwegian Film Institiute as well. It received positive reviews from various gaming publications prior to release. But it is not an example of a gayness in games being pushed to be a huge franchise, it is an example of gayness in gaming being artificial. It is not the market asking for these products, and I'd even argue that is why you never saw it being marketed to gamers.

Concord was however shown as one of the big games at Sonys State of play during the former E3 Summer season, and had large discussion around it to how bad it looked. To say you didn't know about it, I'd think is more to say your own ignorance towards gaming news.

I do not think being "GAY" is the issue with any of those games. they could have put a footnote in bloodborne " oh and the whole town is gay .. everyone.." and it would still be one of the best games made. its just when you use some agenda as the main point of your game and then on top of that... your game sucks.

This doesn't really dispute anything I said. And in my post I more or less agreed that good games can still sell with a certain level of gayness. But if every character in bloodborne was gay, and you used your gay powers to fight the evil homophobe aliens, it'd feel too preachy and too gay to appeal to the wider market even with the best of gameplay.

All I'm saying is that the argument that "gayness in games" expands the market to a wider audience like some have claimed it does, is wrong. At its best it doesn't affect the (western) audience because most people can tolerate some level of gayness, and care more about gameplay. At its absolute worst it constricts your market appeal towards just a gay audience. And that gayness in games isn't a response to massive market demand, it is artificial.

 

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I am sick and tired of the agenda they are currently pushing on us and how easily it is to influence the weak minded individuals into pushing this agenda forward, We are nearly at the stage where people are getting fed up and they have had enough. And the fact that people actually try to deny this agenda is getting pushed is even more wild.

You can always make your own game and push your Agenda back on to them!

Dustborn was cofunded by the European Commision, and received funding by the Norwegian Film Institiute as well. It received positive reviews from various gaming publications prior to release. But it is not an example of a gayness in games being pushed to be a huge franchise, it is an example of gayness in gaming being artificial. It is not the market asking for these products, and I'd even argue that is why you never saw it being marketed to gamers.

Concord was however shown as one of the big games at Sonys State of play during the former E3 Summer season, and had large discussion around it to how bad it looked. To say you didn't know about it, I'd think is more to say your own ignorance towards gaming news.

This doesn't really dispute anything I said. And in my post I more or less agreed that good games can still sell with a certain level of gayness. But if every character in bloodborne was gay, and you used your gay powers to fight the evil homophobe aliens, it'd feel too preachy and too gay to appeal to the wider market even with the best of gameplay.

All I'm saying is that the argument that "gayness in games" expands the market to a wider audience like some have claimed it does, is wrong. At its best it doesn't affect the (western) audience because most people can tolerate some level of gayness, and care more about gameplay. At its absolute worst it constricts your market appeal towards just a gay audience. And that gayness in games isn't a response to massive market demand, it is artificial.

If the market can tolerate a level of gayness as you put it and gay people themselves who would have otherwise not been interested in games or gaming due to a lack of representation are now interested because of said level of gayness....wouldn't that be the very definition of expanding your market?...as long as they stick to the some gay but not too gay protocol?