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There's nothing more exciting as a gaming machine than a PC. But personally, I'm waiting to see whatever Valve comes up with for their desktop. For now, my 4090 is good enough.
Anyone got the feeling that MS is going to drop the next XBOX next year?
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There's nothing more exciting as a gaming machine than a PC. But personally, I'm waiting to see whatever Valve comes up with for their desktop. For now, my 4090 is good enough.
GTA VI was a 2025 game until it got delayed.
The idea that they'd suddenly decided to fast track a release they'd already fully scoped out just because of one game is hilarious.
I love how warriors have fixated around this made up $1200 price.
Even at $1200, it would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than similar prebuilt SFF PCs.
Why would anyone be really dismayed if they can't run Photoshop on their TV console?
Tbh, having an all in one box is significantly more exciting for most people than a regular console, if affordability isn't a challenge. Especially when Xbox can't really appeal as a traditional console again after going third party.
How would it have been their target when GTA 6 was a 2025 game until 6 months ago?
And with a PC version delayed, who would be buying an unsubsidized, expensive console just to play essentially the Xbox Series version of the game?
Bernkastel
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So it is a console. Go back to the original comment I replied. Why would PC gamers buy this when they can build their own PC? Why would console gamers pay 1200$?I love how warriors have fixated around this made up $1200 price.
Even at $1200, it would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than similar prebuilt SFF PCs.
Why would anyone be really dismayed if they can't run Photoshop on their TV console?
vaibhavpisal
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Simplified, console experience.
If you want flexibility, stay on pc.
I think a entry level laptop + magnus will make for a good combo for pc gaming. Covering all bases.
it'll be an easier way to get Steam on your TV
DenchDeckard
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It does seem that they are on the ball with locking this thing down but I think 2026 could be a stretch. I'm sure they would love to but who knows.
2027 seems like the play.
2027 seems like the play.
cormack12
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I actually would have been one of those, but I have a PC now. I think the next 12 months are going to see MS trying to get all their entitlements to be Play Anywhere compatible.
If you pay attention to all the little steps like the PC App allowing cross platform parties, Play Anywhere, Cross platform saves then their strategy is becoming clear.
$1200 is a steep price no doubt, but the power of an OEM PC with dedicated silicone, quiet and without the hassle of PC crashes or CTD will be appealing for some (particularly those who have parts of the ecosystem that arent ready yet to move from).
It's a wide, diverse ecosystem they are moving towards, and I think if everyone were to take a step back they would see these is something there for them. And if not, then Sony have the more traditional console experience.
At some point they have to switch over and this is the start. Play Anywhere abd Cross Saves are the the most important thing to resolve and align over the next 12 months imo
pacman4000
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PS6 and possibly PSP do.
They don't "do" much but the point is that what and/ms did back in 2005 won't happen again.
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Team Andromeda
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I would love it to be next year, but I feel it will be mid 2027 with the new Halo
pacman4000
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So, you are saying pre-built PCs are DOA, "in this economy"?Price.
pacman4000
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Well, the NextBox will have the next-gen (aka PC) version of GTA6 on day 1.
Knowing Rockstar, the PS6 probably won't.
Bernkastel
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console experience at 1200 $. And don't call it PC gaming.
vaibhavpisal
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All consoles are PC at this point.
$1200 cause its using expensive parts.
I know giving up on flexibility is a tough pill to swallow, which is why an entry level laptop is a good combo with it.
PeteBull
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Its all about how mature is 3nm tsmc manufacturing node, we had leaks nvidia 60xx series of cards gonna use it, and those cards are sheduled for early 2027 launch.
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We gotta remember 3nm node is in crazy high demand, all top players in the industry compete for it: apple, samsung, AI workstations from nvidia and amd, and when more mainstream(cheaper) node is avaiable we can be sure priority will go to nvidia and amd consumer gpus before new xbox/ps6 simply coz those will be able to pay higher premium(topend pc cards cost premium vs consoles).
Ar¢tos
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Pre built PCs generally don't use APUs, so they are upgradeable, having a longer life and giving more value to the initial investment.
pacman4000
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Yes but maybe the "Xbox packaging" will be regarded as just as valuable. We don't know that and it will vary depending on the user.
Ar¢tos
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With the Xbox brand at its lowest now, I can't imagine how much value it will have in 2 years when this thing releases. They will be lucky if people even remember them.
Bernkastel
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Actually consoles like Playstation and Switch have proper physical releases. Sony and Nintendo first party games playable without any kind of day one patch, Sony even added 100 GB BD100 option for PS5. Xbox first party usually don't have the full game on disc. Adding to that Xbox since 2013 has removed offline accounts, you essentially need a Microsoft account to play on your Xbox. So Xbox is a DRM. Many single player games (particularly Japanese ones) don't have Xbox physical releases. Xbox only supports 50 GB BD50 blu rays which can't fit a full game in most cases. So Playstation and Switch are definitely not like a PC.
Now coming back to PC, PC gamers will never buy a locked down system like Magnus.
multiple reasons:
- a very large portion of PC gamers have no interest in building their PCs.
- a large portion don't know how to
- this would be a fixed spec device, easier for devs to optimize for.
you'll get the same answer people gave when the discussion centered around the $799 PS5 Pro:
Those than can afford it will consider it.
Not everyone is on console because they're wedded to a $499 price point.
We're talking about the same PC gamers that buy gaming laptops?
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vaibhavpisal
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Sounds dumb, making your mind before seeing anything.
I am looking forward to both Magnus and Canis.
Sound like kickass console and handheld. Will get great value from them, if what is promised came to be true.
pacman4000
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I'm not saying that it is guaranteed to be successful but IF done right it could become a valid alternative in the pre-built PC space. Which is a pretty big market. And a market where $1000, $1200, or whatever it will cost, isn't outrageous.
With the Xbox brand at its lowest now, I can't imagine how much value it will have in 2 years when this thing releases. They will be lucky if people even remember them.
JohnnyFootball
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By then, hopefully it will have performance that exceeds the 4090. i really want to move to an all Linux based system, since it's clear to me that nvidia doesn't care enough to support Linux.
Which sucks since I believe that nvidia throwing significant support behind Linux could be the needle mover.
MisterXDTV
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There's is no next Xbox next year or any year for that matter....
Go buy a PC now if you want a PC
Go buy a PC now if you want a PC
Rhazer Fusion
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I really like my XBOX Series X, but I gotta ask who is this device for especially if it's at the rumored $1000-$1500 price range and it's essentially a glorified PC with presumably no exclusives? You got the price of a PC, but is it even upgradable or have the options like a PC? Hate to break it to Microsoft, but I truly think this thing is DOA especially if the prices are true. Why not just buy a PC instead if you are spending that much money? How's the XBOX ROG Ally X thing doing btw for $1000?
An earlier release probably won't help things either and you got a PS6 "supposedly" at around half the price according to sources with comparable specifications most likely to the next XBOX, but we'll see.
An earlier release probably won't help things either and you got a PS6 "supposedly" at around half the price according to sources with comparable specifications most likely to the next XBOX, but we'll see.
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chilichote
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I actually think the ROG Ally was a kind of trial balloon to find out if launching an Xbox-like PC would be successful. Depending on how that goes, they'll certainly decide what to do next. But if they decide to withdraw from the hardware market, they'll drag it out as long as possible to avoid negative PR.
StereoVsn
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I think the value proposition would need to have both Xbox and Windows side of things where you could drop to Windows to do say a Teams call or work on some stuff, browse the web, etc…
You could also run whatever software you want there aka a regular PC. I do wonder if they would try to restrict this to Windows Store only.
And then switch to the gaming side for optimized performance, interface and Xbox BC.
The new handheld kind of shows how it would be done, but it needs to be a lot more polished. And of course updates need to be handled gracefully.
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StereoVsn
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I "think" the idea is you get Xbox BC and a PC in one box. It would be using a custom APU that is more powerful for the cost vs what is available for regular custom built PCs.
Trade off is upgrades since hardware is sure to be locked down, except maybe for a SSD. Whether this is something that costumers will want in 2027… nobody knows. It wouldn't be a mass market device, that's for sure.
yurinka
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I think they never planned to do a next gen console themselves after the Series X|S, and always had the plan of switching to a Steam Machines model instead: leaving to 3rd party OEM manufacturers make the next gen devices, which would be consolized PCs running Windows, shaped as either home consoles or portables/hybrids, giving them some X and S minimum reference tech specs.
It's just that in terms of PR they try to delay the news as much as possible to don't scare their fans too soon and to continue milking them while dropping the news slowly and step by step.
I think their goal since many years ago (at least since when they acquired Minecraft and left it full multiplatform and when they started to port Xbox games to PC) has been to slowly migrate step by step from being a console maker that only publishes games on their own console to becoming a full multiplatform publisher who has Windows as their home platform.
Their theory, which seems to be correct, would be that by acquiring these many devs and publishers, and opening to PlayStation, PC and particularly mobile they'd highly increase their revenue and profitability compared to what they had when they were a console maker and were publishing only on their own console.
MS is now the top publisher in console and one of the key players in mobile and PC. In overall gaming they're a close top 3 in the top grossing public company in game revenue ranking. Regarding profits may still be losing money but may have improved a lot and will highly improve once they kill their own console, start releasing all their stuff day one on PS and stop including their games in (at least non-GPU tiers) GP day one.
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pacman4000
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Absolutely, it has to do everything a normal Windows PC can (software wise)
splattered
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No. But i guess we are going to beat this horse repeatedly until MS puts out their next console.
REDRZA MWS
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Nope
ChorizoPicozo
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They are going to drop something, just not in the way you think they will
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
well you are one of the few remaining Xbox fanboys. I am talking about outside the fanclub, no one cares. Not consoles gamers, neither PC gamers. No reason to care for a 1200 $ console. This will sell less than Dreamcast.
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But XBox PC and XBox Console are the same thing now, and they just released the handheld a month ago
I still say that licensing bypass is some sort of authentication on chip - ie. nothing to do with hardware BC(because license holders couldn't give less of a 'f' what is compatible), but a way to differentiate console from PC on hardware level. Ie. TPM 3.0 or something similarly silly.
That way all officially licensed XBox PCs get access to BC library, and the rest don't. Probably a part that 'only' exists on AMD silicon because if anyone, NVidia deserves to be left out. And noone buys Intel anymore anyway.
It's definitely not going to be a separate chip for compatibility either - if there's hardware features needed for compatibility, that'll be part of the main APU, like on the Series.
Tobimacoss
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They're not the same thing.But XBox PC and XBox Console are the same thing now, and they just released the handheld a month ago
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Bernkastel
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No PC gamer will want to locked down console like system. Magnus is not a PC. It can just play PC games. Most importantly I don't see any interest for this online outside hardcore Xbox fanboys. If PC gamers were to buy this they would already be showing interest.
Not 799. PS5 Pro disc version costs 749 $ in US. Also.
749 $ Playstation console (way more bigger brand value) is not same as 1200 $ Xbox console.
Yes. Cheaper than Magnus and actually portable.We're talking about the same PC gamers that buy gaming laptops?
Majima Everywhere System
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I don't see why they can't move faster than '27, other than hard facts about availability of the tech that you may throw at me.
I don't feel the quantities will make that much of a splash. You don't need a 3 year ramp for a pc with no proprietary controller, etc.
I don't feel the quantities will make that much of a splash. You don't need a 3 year ramp for a pc with no proprietary controller, etc.