Just Uair needs a knockback growth nerf and Diddy would be mostly normalized.
Also, VGBC has instant replays oh my days
APEX 2015 | Fighting Game Tournament | Jan 30-Feb 1
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Just Uair needs a knockback growth nerf and Diddy would be mostly normalized.
Also, VGBC has instant replays oh my days
Diablohead
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Diddy Kong OP in smash 4
Kappa
Kappa
chaosblade
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So many people there. Awesome.
JB-the-Hunter
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He didn't even have to die after that whif. Just DI the down throw.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
I wonder if Nintendo will use this tournament as part of their balance patch when Mewtwo comes in because, let's be honest, when you introduce a new character there definitely will be some rebalancing
kuroneko0509
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Ken ;_;
I hope they don't nerf Diddy, but instead give other characters better KO power/setups. As much as people hate Diddy, he's actually fun to watch imo.
This always happens to Ken post 2007. Even on survivor he was ultimately disappointing. WHY DON'T YOU JUST WIN THINGS FOR ME KEN?
Nah sakirai will probably mostly focus on the japanese metagame.
Diprosalic
Banned
how do you pause on accident on a GC controller?
i've played thousands of hours and that never happened to me.
i've played thousands of hours and that never happened to me.
If you're mashing to get out of a grab it can happen very easily.
Spinosaurus
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Damn the salt
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Is anyone dominating in the japanese scene?
Diablohead
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Which smash though? 4 is a lot slower for sure which is why it's a 2 stock game.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
gohan is furious
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Watching 4 and melee next to each other just shows how slow 4 really is.
Diprosalic
Banned
he was dead when he paused. i think.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Not really...unless you mean matches are slow, which is only because everyone in Melee is made of glass and the old edge guarding mechanics made recovery a lot harder. I prefer the way 4 does things.
I don't know why so many of you want super quick matches. Get over Melee. Being different isn't a bad thing.
Duxxy3
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I guess it's 4. The one on spooky's stream.
JB-the-Hunter
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It shows that Melee is really fast compared to Smash 4's modest pace.
I was away for a while but was the Ice Climbers grab Wobbling?
It's an exploit where if you grab an opponent and position the Ice Climbers just right as to allow Nana to input F-tilt commands while you're pummeling, the enemy can't escape and you can pummel them infinitely into a kill.
No clue.
Hey atlease it's more enjoyable to watch than brawl lol....IMO ofcourse.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
If you desync both Ice Climbers correctly you can essentially get a grab infinite with them.
Diprosalic
Banned
i actually prefer watching 4.
Ice Climbers get a grab and they desync to have Nana jab (or Ftilt) while Popo pummels. For whatever reason, the jab/Ftilt stops the grab from breaking no matter what and it allows the Ice Climbers to build damage -- it's essentially an infinite but it takes some slight practice as you need good rhythm to do it (though it is easier to do than their handoff chaingrabs).
They can only rack them up to percent where they're guaranteed a KO (150%-170%) and then they have Nana do a Dsmash, Fsmash, or Usmash for the KO.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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So what did you mean by he'd focus on the japanese metagame? How does it differ?
Diablohead
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yeah that's smash wii u, I kind of like it over melee which is too fast for me.
Regulus Tera
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To give you a clue, the reason Omega Mode exists in Smash 4 is because Final Destination is the only stage that was ever used in Japanese Melee tournaments. Western tournaments have a more varied selection of stages.
It doesn't differ, the same characters are good in Japan as here -- though not as many people are willing to just switch to Diddy on a dime afaik like in America. But the general top characters are considered the same.
The only difference between the two has always been rule sets esp. in Brawl where the Japanese had a 10 minute (!) timer and Final Destination as the only stage.
Out_Of_Ammo
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And why isn't that shit banned?
Duxxy3
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iirc it's a pain in the ass to set up
Because when was the last time Ice Climbers ever won a major?
It's hard to do and it's not even a massive advantage considering how bad the character is without wobbling.
Diablohead
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no idea if they tried to ban it before or not but I guess it's possible to blame a small infinate on an accident or the fact that fox and jiggly are still god tear no one cares, lol.
BeatResetsTheWorld
Banned
Dafuq
It doesn't make them OP, ICs have to work hard to get the grab and it's easy to prevent them from getting the grab. It barely makes a difference in the long-run for them. They haven't won any majors with wobbling unbanned and they're overall still good even without it.
It's a tourney-basis thing. The Big House has a ban on the technique, Apex has historically allowed it. The issue is the fact that Ice Climbers' grabs are generally not that good to begin with and actually landing the technique is immensely hard, so people are split on whether it's good or not.
Dark Stalkers
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Huh, I'm banned from sp00ky chat. I haven't watched this stream in years. ¯\_(ツ
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Twilight Princess
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Pika he might have a chance against diddy since it's so short and therefore harder to fair and grab.
TruSpindash
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I really like watching Pikachu matches just because of how mobile the character is.
Diprosalic
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they're basically garbage without it and it's hard to setup so you lose stocks just trying to do it.
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