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Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing

I am in talks with someone opening a new company soon and they are looking for team members to hire. They said I would be the legal partner of it but I don't need to invest anything. He will be doing that. Anyone know about partnership type jobs just to know what I might be getting into? Should I go for it? Are there any risks I should be aware of?
 
It depends on the company but it's certainly not unusual. They said 5-7 business days, so I'd give them until tomorrow. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I was told last Wednesday I'd be offered an internship and that I'd hear from HR and I haven't heard anything yet, either. Before that, it took 7 business days after the interview to reach out to me to let me know they wanted me for the internship. People are busy and it really sucks to wait patiently, especially when you're excited about the position. I would follow up with them on Monday morning if you don't hear anything by the end of the day tomorrow. Good luck!

Well...Just got the phone call. After a two month process, they went with another candidate. Sucks so badly. Back to the job sites.
 

scitek

Member
Well...Just got the phone call. After a two month process, they went with another candidate. Sucks so badly. Back to the job sites.

GOD damn it, I hope this doesn't happen to me. My next interview is Monday. I'm trying to get through them as quickly as possible so I don't drag this process out. I know they have multiple positions open, and they're really short-staffed (the HR guy told me as much), so I'm hoping that helps my chances.
 
Well...Just got the phone call. After a two month process, they went with another candidate. Sucks so badly. Back to the job sites.

I'm sorry csquared. It's a shitty process. I'm still waiting to hear the details about the internship I supposedly got. I have to move across the country for it and it's been over a week and a half with no information about salary or actual start date. Very frustrating. I'm interviewing for a local position next week, but they are paying $15k under the average salary for the type of position. No good options at this point.

Good luck! Stay strong, treat yourself well today and get back at it on Monday.
 
Thanks for the support, I hope it goes better for you guys. Going work my butt off in the gym and get back to it tonight.

Good luck everyone
 
Well...Just got the phone call. After a two month process, they went with another candidate. Sucks so badly. Back to the job sites.

Had a similar experience recently. Two skype interviews, a third one with the team in the actual office. It lasted a little over two months but they went with someone else. It does suck extra hard since the time it took and you get far but no dice. Small things can be taken away from them though such as being in the right path and having some type of worth and value.
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
I'm a fresh college grad (finished in May) and holy shit, the last couple months have been a roller coaster. I've interviewed for two different jobs, but didn't go all the way in either. I was a finalist for one, and flew out to another state to interview for the other. It's so deflating to put in so much effort for these things and have nothing come of it.
 

Raynes

Member
Why are job descriptions so loaded full of shit, nothing but mumbo jumbo air talk.

Can anyone offer some advice for writing a good cover letter. I pretty much have a huge 6 month + gap on my CV, no experience and a Psychology degee. The intership is for Performance Planning Executive at a Marketing and Advertising company. I am clueless.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
need advanced tactics from job-GAF.

I got a job offer this morning but I want to keep my options open as I also have a couple of other interviews that I think went well and they are for jobs that seem more interesting or in way easier locations to commute (i.e 30 minute drive Vs 90 minute train ride plus £3k season ticket).

But this offer came out of the blue - applied yesterday, got an invite to an interview for this morning, 2 hour interview and at the end they offered me the role (subject to references and I haven't seen their official offer yet). They seem to be expanding fast and need a handful of new project managers and literally wanted me to start on Monday. I'm going to put them off for a week just to catch my breath though.

I'd like to not close the door on these other opportunities, but how do I handle potential 2nd/3rd round interviews if I already accepted this job? I'm ok with the idea of ditching this if I was offered a role at one of the other jobs, as it'd be during the probationary period anyway. But I'm not likely to have any time off available initially at least.

So how do you handle still keeping irons in the fire when accepting an initial role?
 
So I got a job as a waiter. Is it normal to feel a bit....nervous about it?

Takes me about a week before I stop feeling nervous at a new job. And sometimes even longer.

Why are job descriptions so loaded full of shit, nothing but mumbo jumbo air talk.

Because many are designed to be vague so that they can expect more from you than you thought you signed up for.

need advanced tactics from job-GAF.

I got a job offer this morning but I want to keep my options open as I also have a couple of other interviews that I think went well and they are for jobs that seem more interesting or in way easier locations to commute (i.e 30 minute drive Vs 90 minute train ride plus £3k season ticket).

Contact the person who made the offer and inform them you need a few days to sort things out with other offers. Then contact the other employers and inform them that you've been given an offer but you are very much interested in the position you interviewed for with their organization. If they're not willing to hasten the process then I wouldn't trust they were honestly interested in having me.
 

Veelk

Banned
So, would it be a good idea to call a company to ask if a position is still available a month after I applied online for it and they haven't responded, but still have the position open and even reposted it?
 

Bubba T

Member
6 references? The last time I needed that many references I was 22 and getting my first car loan with no credit history to my name.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
So, would it be a good idea to call a company to ask if a position is still available a month after I applied online for it and they haven't responded, but still have the position open and even reposted it?

Just apply again. If they didn't get in touch they weren't interested.
 
Just explain what you were doing in cover letter. I do some freelance work on and off so I just have "freelance _______" listed from when I started to present day.

What about working on personal projects for my portfolio? Would that be good too? The way I have my resume setup currently is separating my projects (portfolio) and experience. Should I put a date under my portfolio and put till present?
 

LosDaddie

Banned
After talking to people that currently work there and are part of the union, everything I was told is more or less accurate! However, you're more likely to pull down around 70 your first year, as you start at $25/hour. Shifts are 12 hours, but it's 4 on 3 off. I'm already working 11 hours a day at my office, 6 days a week, so it would actually reduce my time at work.

As for the school itself, it's not a for-profit trade school. Just a local community college. The degree I would be getting would be in process instrumentation. The ~6 month thing is what I was told by admissions, as I already have many of the basic classes knocked out. If I was starting fresh, it would be a two year degree.

Believe me, I was really sceptical at first as well until I talked to a few people I went to highschool with who did the exact same thing and are making this type of money.

Awesome.
Well, no risk, no reward. I would just be very careful about the whole deal. Jobs with incomes like that are very sought after. So make sure it's a permanent position (not contract) and that it'll be there waiting for you once you're done with the tech school.

Best of luck to you



As an entry level EE currently with a decent job in defense you think it's worth it to even bother getting an FE? I should've gotten it senior year but it didn't really seem necessary.

I mean, getting your FE can only help your career. However, there's really no reason to get your FE unless you're going for your PE afterwards. Some fields in EE don't require it to progress up the ladder. So make sure it's something you want to do.

Speaking from experience, it's not an easy path, at all. I took the FE exam years after graduating. I studied my ass off for ~5mos before I took the exam. It was grueling. But hey, maybe I'm just an idiot because I found the exam extremely difficult...but I did pass on my first try. You may find the subjects easy, only have to study for a few weeks and rock the exam. I basically had to start from scratch again.

And Yeah...FSU didn't push for their EEs to take the FE either. Like, I don't even remember FSU ever mentioning it.



May I ask how are these companies getting your information to contact you? Are you being contacted through your linkedin profile or through a posted resume online?

I'm guessing LinkedIn. I keep my profile there fairly up to date. I haven't used any other jobs site in years. I have my email and phone number on there. Some recruiters have even called my office directly.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
What about working on personal projects for my portfolio? Would that be good too? The way I have my resume setup currently is separating my projects (portfolio) and experience. Should I put a date under my portfolio and put till present?

That sounds good too. Anything that sounds like it is contributing to your future prospects while you're looking for work. I'd maybe omit the 'personal' part though
 

scitek

Member
What about working on personal projects for my portfolio? Would that be good too? The way I have my resume setup currently is separating my projects (portfolio) and experience. Should I put a date under my portfolio and put till present?

A month ago, I made this trailer one afternoon out of boredom, but also so I could add something different to my demo reel full of news promos.

Since making it, I've had one VR gaming company wanting to hire me, but their funding fell through and they can't afford to bring me on for "a few months," and now, I'm interviewing with a second, very prominent gaming company - which would literally be a dream job for me. I don't think adding your own work hurts if it's relevant.

So, would it be a good idea to call a company to ask if a position is still available a month after I applied online for it and they haven't responded, but still have the position open and even reposted it?

I applied for the job mentioned above back in May. Two weeks ago I saw it was still open, and I tracked down the manager on LinkedIn and shot him a message. He got things moving with HR and I'm having my second interview on Monday. Calling and asking would not be the thing that costs you the job, if anything it shows you are serious about wanting it, and shows initiative.
 

spuckthew

Member
What's the consensus, from both employers and recruiters, on applicants whose most recent/current job is only a few months?

I have mixed feelings about my current job, where I've been less than 3 months, and I'm not sure if I should start looking for something different now or if I should wait a bit longer to see how it plays out t(maybe to the 6-month mark or something).

Although my previous job lasted well over 3 years, my first job out of college also lasted around 3 months, so I'd be concerned about being seen as uncommitted. I'm wondering what other people's experiences are with short employment stints.

My gut says to stay, but my girlfriend and I want to move abroad next year and if I wait too long there might not be much point leaving this job at all.
 

scitek

Member
What's the consensus, from both employers and recruiters, on applicants whose most recent/current job is only a few months?

I have mixed feelings about my current job, where I've been less than 3 months, and I'm not sure if I should start looking for something different now or if I should wait a bit longer to see how it plays out t(maybe to the 6-month mark or something).

Although my previous job lasted well over 3 years, my first job out of college also lasted around 3 months, so I'd be concerned about being seen as uncommitted. I'm wondering what other people's experiences are with short employment stints.

My gut says to stay, but my girlfriend and I want to move abroad next year and if I wait too long there might not be much point leaving this job at all.

I've been at my current job for less than 6 months. I haven't had a ton of response to applications, and that may have something to do with it. The companies that HAVE responded, anytime my current job comes up, I've explained I'm looking for a change of pace, and to do something more creative.
 
Anyone here with experience at Proctor and Gamble?

Recruitment season for interns is this fall, but I want to prepare early given just how freakishly competitive the positions are.
 
GAF: I have a job interview for a Records Management position at a law firm coming up on Tuesday. I figured that this is little more formal of a workplace than I usually apply to, so I went to bust out my suit jacket and...it isn't here. I must have left it at home (half way across the country) when I was there with it recently.

I usually wear a dress shirt, nice khakis, dress shoes, a nice belt, and sometimes and tie (some times not), depending on the interview.

I am okay going without the suit jacket? I'm kinda stressing out about it a bit because I can't really afford to drop hundreds of dollars on a suit right now just for an interview. Frankly, I think I look sharp without it but I don't want to screw myself either.
 
I have been interning for a very, very successful industry for two summers now. Frankly, I was super under qualified to get the position but I had a very good interview. Anyway, last year, I didn't really like it. I was working as a developer, alone. My project was difficult and it kept getting better as I worked and they ended up actually using my project a lot after I left.

I got to return this summer. Remember like last month I posted that a company gave me an offer and pulled it back, well, I was using this Internship as a back-up plan again. I kind of got used to the place more, made more connections, and am enjoying my time there much more. I am about half-way done with it (10 week program) and I have a meeting with the supervisor this week.

He wants to discuss 'opportunities' with me. On paper, it sounds like a job offer is coming but the paranoia in me is thinking it won't happen. I have been pretty stressed lately. The rescinded offer really took a blow to my self-esteem and I feel like if I get my hopes up again with this job, I will be sent back down farther.

I am just really nervous, lol.
 
GAF: I have a job interview for a Records Management position at a law firm coming up on Tuesday. I figured that this is little more formal of a workplace than I usually apply to, so I went to bust out my suit jacket and...it isn't here. I must have left it at home (half way across the country) when I was there with it recently.

I usually wear a dress shirt, nice khakis, dress shoes, a nice belt, and sometimes and tie (some times not), depending on the interview.

I am okay going without the suit jacket? I'm kinda stressing out about it a bit because I can't really afford to drop hundreds of dollars on a suit right now just for an interview. Frankly, I think I look sharp without it but I don't want to screw myself either.

Can't you borrow something of a friend?
Better safe than sorry...
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
any tips or resources for scrummaster roles? Just been offered a project manager role but (as with lots of vacancies these days) they seem to expect you to be all things to all people, so expect me to handle scrummaster duties (only a small team of devs).

I usually attend sprint kickoffs and reviews and I've sat in on daily scrum meetings a few times, but I'd like more guidance on what to read up on to help get up to speed. Especially around daily standups, story estimation (we've used poker before but I'm not completely familiar with it), and good tools for velocity measurement and effort estimation/accuracy tracking (things I used to rely on my scrummaster to provide to me)
 

Dre3001

Member
For those who have had interviews and followed up afterwards what is the standard protocol or timeline on a response?

I had three interviews (two by phone, one in-person) recently with a company that I thought went very well. About three weeks after the third interview I sent a follow-up email just to get an update on the availability of the position and their timeline and have received no response.

Should I bother contacting them again by phone or email or just consider it a rejection and forget about the position?

I know that companies regularly dont respond if they have found another candidate or if you were not selected for a position but I assumed that only happened after first interviews or resume submissions. For them to conduct three separate interviews I would imagine they would atleast contact you back regarding if you didnt get the position since they actually invested a decent amount of time in the hiring process.
 
For those who have had interviews and followed up afterwards what is the standard protocol or timeline on a response?

I had three interviews (two by phone, one in-person) recently with a company that I thought went very well. About three weeks after the third interview I sent a follow-up email just to get an update on the availability of the position and their timeline and have received no response.

Should I bother contacting them again by phone or email or just consider it a rejection and forget about the position?

I know that companies regularly dont respond if they have found another candidate or if you were not selected for a position but I assumed that only happened after first interviews or resume submissions. For them to conduct three separate interviews I would imagine they would atleast contact you back regarding if you didnt get the position since they actually invested a decent amount of time in the hiring process.

Could be weeks. If you've already emailed them after three weeks of waiting, I'd still just sit tight. It's a really slow time of year with everyone going on vacation and what not, so I'd hang in there.

I'm also currently in the waiting stage after a fourth round of interviews with a company. I know how frustrating it is, but you can't really do anything other than wait. If the company wants you, they'll let you know.
 

scitek

Member
Had my second interview. It was basically just an hour long conversation. The guy said it was the longest he'd talked to any candidate and he "can't say he minds." I asked what his typical day is like, and it sounds right up my alley. Feeling pretty good so far, but still bracing for the worst.
 

Mr. F

Banned
Had one of the most bizarre and least-professional interviews of my career so far.

In short, employer brought me in because my resume was 'interesting' in that it was more specialized whereas the position I was applying for was more general. Was asked what I wanted or why I was interested - answered that the company's methodology appealed to me and that I wanted to be more well-rounded. Answer falls on deaf ears, and the next hour is grilling me on what I really want to do and having the role explained to me as if I didn't already know what it entailed and why it was different from what I've done before.

Recruitment coordinater at the end of the interview: "that went good, I guess...it was...interesting." What do you say to that?

They also were gossiping about a let-go colleague when I had mentioned that I had interviewed there prior years ago. Red flags and shitty vibes all over the place.

I'm writing an email to withdraw my interest, I regret not saying anything at the time.
 

diaspora

Member
There's a job I'm dying to get and I haven't worked since early May. It's IMO a perfect fit for me, and I have all the requisite skills. I... don't know how I'd be able to take a rejection from this, it might break me.
 

scitek

Member
There's a job I'm dying to get and I haven't worked since early May. It's IMO a perfect fit for me, and I have all the requisite skills. I... don't know how I'd be able to take a rejection from this, it might break me.

After my interview today, I'm starting to feel the same way. This is a job I'm sure many people on the Gaming side of these forums would kill for, but I'm reserving my excitement. I'm just feeling pretty confident at this point, and I don't think there's anything wrong that.
 

diaspora

Member
After my interview today, I'm starting to feel the same way. This is a job I'm sure many people on the Gaming side of these forums would kill for, but I'm reserving my excitement. I'm just feeling pretty confident at this point, and I don't think there's anything wrong that.

I don't know if I can muster confidence at this point. I feel like if I do, it'd make a rejection hurt that much more.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Argh. Got an informal offer last Friday morning subject to references. Asked for the offer in writing but they said they needed at least one reference first. They got the feedback from one referee that day, but now they're saying they are waiting for the second reference (which might take a day or two).

Originally they wanted me to start immediately but it's going to be at least next week now. I also want to move things along but not look desperate as the money's likely to be less than I was on before (mainly because it'll cost me nearly £10k before tax on getting to work - train fares etc)
 
I am in talks with someone opening a new company soon and they are looking for team members to hire. They said I would be the legal partner of it but I don't need to invest anything. He will be doing that. Anyone know about partnership type jobs just to know what I might be getting into? Should I go for it? Are there any risks I should be aware of?

Be careful

Read up on it.

I know in UK unless it's a limited partnership
You'll be liable with the partner for any debts accrued.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Wow - my ex manager sent me the reference request form in case I had any preferences on how she fills it in :)

They wanted a surprising amount of detail. Things like 'how was he to manage', 'what is the best way to manage him' and 'what areas does he need to develop' - and others.

Seems way too much info. I know my previous corporate HR department would literally just send a letter saying 'yes he exists and worked here' but would provide no info on top of that
 

spuckthew

Member
Originally they wanted me to start immediately but it's going to be at least next week now. I also want to move things along but not look desperate as the money's likely to be less than I was on before (mainly because it'll cost me nearly £10k before tax on getting to work - train fares etc)

Didn't you say in the BritGAF thread that it'll only be like £3K per year commuting to London? I can't fathom commuting anywhere that'd cost me much more than that.

Train fares are a bitch though: my salary is £4K more than my previous job, but I'm only like £30 better off per month.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Didn't you say in the BritGAF thread that it'll only be like £3K per year commuting to London? I can't fathom commuting anywhere that'd cost me much more than that.

Train fares are a bitch though: my salary is £4K more than my previous job, but I'm only like £30 better off per month.

that was before I worked it out. If I drive to the train station its £6 per day to park - so roughly £120pm, then £271 per month for the train season ticket (only slightly less if I get a 12 month ticket but I'm not doing that yet), plus £4.80 per day on the tube - even only two stops seems to be £2.40 each way.. so another £100pm. so about £500pm or £6k per year - net. Thats £10k for a high rate tax payer.

Insane.

Once settled in I'd probably look at cycling to the station and possibly getting a brompton or a boris bike from waterloo to London Bridge to save on parking/tube.
 

Pastry

Banned
What's the consensus, from both employers and recruiters, on applicants whose most recent/current job is only a few months?

I have mixed feelings about my current job, where I've been less than 3 months, and I'm not sure if I should start looking for something different now or if I should wait a bit longer to see how it plays out t(maybe to the 6-month mark or something).

Although my previous job lasted well over 3 years, my first job out of college also lasted around 3 months, so I'd be concerned about being seen as uncommitted. I'm wondering what other people's experiences are with short employment stints.

My gut says to stay, but my girlfriend and I want to move abroad next year and if I wait too long there might not be much point leaving this job at all.

A little late on this but as long as it doesn't look like a repeated pattern on a resume you should be good. Obviously it helps if you have a really good explanation for why you were there for such a brief period.

For example, I was only at my last job for ten months, it was an oil and gas company.

If I were to be asked why I was there for such a short period I would say something like: "I was hired prior to the price of oil dropping and when it began to fall the company began layoffs and froze employee movement. I was concerned that my growth would be stifled so I began looking for a new position where growth is available."
 

spuckthew

Member
that was before I worked it out. If I drive to the train station its £6 per day to park - so roughly £120pm, then £271 per month for the train season ticket (only slightly less if I get a 12 month ticket but I'm not doing that yet), plus £4.80 per day on the tube - even only two stops seems to be £2.40 each way.. so another £100pm. so about £500pm or £6k per year - net. Thats £10k for a high rate tax payer.

Insane.

Once settled in I'd probably look at cycling to the station and possibly getting a brompton or a boris bike from waterloo to London Bridge to save on parking/tube.

Why are you adding £4K? The £6K per year (or £500 per month) is all you're going to be paying with those expenses - you won't get additionally taxed for buying train tickets and parking.

£500 is still a lot per month after tax though. My zone 1-6 Oyster is £227 and that's about as much as I'd ever spend travelling to work.

If you live inside the Oyster zone, travel cards are a must.

Actually that reminds me: you mentioned it costing £3.5K per year for a Waterloo + 1-6 travel card (in the BritGAF thread), which is only marginally more than £271 x 12, but cheaper if you factor in the individual tube savings. Also it'd be easier to keep an eye on your spending.


A little late on this but as long as it doesn't look like a repeated pattern on a resume you should be good. Obviously it helps if you have a really good explanation for why you were there for such a brief period.

For example, I was only at my last job for ten months, it was an oil and gas company.

If I were to be asked why I was there for such a short period I would say something like: "I was hired prior to the price of oil dropping and when it began to fall the company began layoffs and froze employee movement. I was concerned that my growth would be stifled so I began looking for a new position where growth is available."

Yeah, I could probably make it work with the right story. Still would probably need a few more months under my belt though!
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Why are you adding £4K? The £6K per year (or £500 per month) is all you're going to be paying with those expenses - you won't get additionally taxed for buying train tickets and parking.

£500 is still a lot per month after tax though. My zone 1-6 Oyster is £227 and that's about as much as I'd ever spend travelling to work.

If you live inside the Oyster zone, travel cards are a must.

Actually that reminds me: you mentioned it costing £3.5K per year for a Waterloo + 1-6 travel card (in the BritGAF thread), which is only marginally more than £271 x 12, but cheaper if you factor in the individual tube savings. Also it'd be easier to keep an eye on your spending.


I was trying to get across (perhaps badly) that £6k of real money in my pocket is £10k I need to earn before tax to get that. But yes, ultimately its about £500 out of my take home pay every month. Thats a lot.

£271 is a monthly ticket - the yearly would be £2824 without tube fare - so about 10 months individual. I probably want to avoid a year season ticket until I've figured out if I'm likely to stay there a year, and a 12 month ticket is the only one with any discount - 3/6 months is just 3/6x the monthly amount.

The tube is the surprising one - £2.40 minimum for two stops in zone 1 is insane - and thats an oyster price - tourists paying cash its £4.50! Because the travel will take a ton of time out of my day I'll probably try and phase in savings.
- first couple of months, suck up the price and pay for parking/tube/train
- once I'm used to it, consider cycling one leg of the journey which will save about £100pm
- later on, consider cycling both legs, saving another £100pm, plus getting a yearly travelcard.

That'd bring the cost down slowly from £500pm to a more manageable £235pm (no parking, no tube, discounted 12 month season ticket)


Anyway, I've accepted the role and start on Monday - about fucking time too, my redundancy money is literally about to run out and I was really stressed.

Any tips for keeping in touch with the job market in case I bail/hate the job/get made redundant in a year? Can't really apply for things but just keep my CV with recruiters etc?
 

spuckthew

Member
I was trying to get across (perhaps badly) that £6k of real money in my pocket is £10k I need to earn before tax to get that. But yes, ultimately its about £500 out of my take home pay every month. Thats a lot.

[snip]

Anyway, I've accepted the role and start on Monday - about fucking time too, my redundancy money is literally about to run out and I was really stressed.

I get you now :)

Well, good luck with the job/commute then!
 

scitek

Member
By this time after my interview last week, the company had already contacted me to set up the next one.

I hate this part. The waiting.
 
Assessment of Word/Excel/Powerpoint coming up soon and I'm scared shitless.

Anyone know any free online resources that can help me brush up on those programs?
 

TCRS

Banned
Got interviewed by a big ass company

went well until we got the money part. told them my requirements.. stone faces.

didn't even bother to tell me that I didn't get it lmao. I don't think my demands were outlandish, it's just they were cheap.

but yeah now I have to write more applications blergh... would rather be playing witcher 3 or bf4.

edit: I currently have a job so my situation is not that bad.
 
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