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Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing

grkazan12

Member
Hey gaf, I just started an entry level position as a Project Assistant in the CRO/Clinical Trials industry and I just had a few questions about it.

Is the CRO industry a healthy industry to get into for a career?
Are there ample opportunities for growth and promotion in this field?

Or if anyone has tips about the subject just post it, anything would be helpful. Thanks.
 

oni_saru

Member
Starting this process again as I can't stand staying much longer at my current job. Don't even think the clinic is going to last much longer if we don't get more funding/grants.

Question, do yall let your references know beforehand that you'll be using them as references? I did that last time I was job hunting which was about a year ago. Should I send them a courtesy email that I'm using them as a reference again?
 

dity

Member
Looks like the guy I had an interview with is going to give my resume to the manager of the closer store this Friday. I think I'll text him Thursday as a reminder.
 
Looks like the guy I had an interview with is going to give my resume to the manager of the closer store this Friday. I think I'll text him Thursday as a reminder.

If you text him and he doesn't reply you will be fretting for days about what is up. Better to just give him a call.
 
I got asked the dumbest interview question ever last Friday for a manufacturing job.

"How old were you when you had your first paying job?"

So my first job was dealing drugs before I even became a teen. That served me well until about 16 where I had to take a new path. I did stuff like summer detasseling at 14, or worked in retail part-time at 16 because I had to.

I respond: "16, part-time in retail. But I have to ask where are you going with this?"

His response: "I'm looking for how deeply instilled your work ethic and independence are versus entitlement. If you worked part time in high school and college because you needed to, especially in jobs that were hard work, that shows a huge level of personal responsibility."

Really? I've never been asked something so pointless in an interview.
 

ShOcKwAvE

Member
I am growing really frustrated at the amount of employers who have asked me to do some sort of assignment as part of the hiring process. I've spent several hours doing "homework" that may not even be reviewed. Apparently references are no longer favored?

This week I have two interviews lined up and they're both asking me to bring in documents supporting my past work. This isn't possible since my previous consulting positions have all issued me laptops to use, so when I left, so did all my work. The position I have currently doesn't really relate to my past work either, so I have nothing to show.

My only thought right now is to bring in some of the assignments I've been doing for other employers.
 

irriadin

Member
Here is a question.

How do you get a job in a specific state outside the one you're in.

I was about to ask this question, as I'm looking to move from the east coast to LA. I have marketable skills (front end dev / ui / ux design), but I worry that I'm getting filtered automatically because I apply from out of state.
 
I got asked the dumbest interview question ever last Friday for a manufacturing job.

"How old were you when you had your first paying job?"
I had an interviewer randomly ask me "If you could have lunch with three famous people, alive or dead, who would it be?"

That threw me off so quickly.
 

SCHUEY F1

Unconfirmed Member
Back in the job hunt. Got laid off this week and in my field there isn't much out there. Going to have to broaden my horizons it looks like..... Not looking forward to it.
 
...How do you write cover letters. I'm thinking the fact that I'm not writing them because they're optional is why I'm not even getting retail jobs. :/
 

artsi

Member
I've been without a job for 6 months now after being laid off, after a 10 year career in a leading company. I did some cool shit there, had a great team to lead, and some kind of professional respect.
But now I feel like a fucking nobody, a zero. I'm not depressed, but I do feel like shit.

I thought it wouldn't be that difficult to find a new job, but there simply isn't any. Fuck this economy.

I started my own business that is likely going to work out, I have a great service platform, but it's something that requires a lot of customers and while I'm gaining them steadily, it takes time (or tons of advertising funds, which I don't have).
Building that business is the only thing keeping me sane, at least I have something to work towards to, and I can say what I do when people ask about my work.

If I'll ever be able to sustain myself with my business and offer even a single person a job on top of that, I would be so happy.
 
Back in the job hunt. Got laid off this week and in my field there isn't much out there. Going to have to broaden my horizons it looks like..... Not looking forward to it.

hey man don't feel bad, I was laid off from oil like 3 weeks ago. It isn't all bad, see it as vacation.

...How do you write cover letters. I'm thinking the fact that I'm not writing them because they're optional is why I'm not even getting retail jobs. :/

Just look for templates somewhere and do that. Personally as a somewhat recent graduate who got laid off and is going to entry level jobs in other industries what I wrote was:

[Company name]
[Address] [if you don't have it don't put it]
[Date]


Dear [Company],

I am currently an [current job title/industry for example engineering] professional from [University] with over [year amount] year of experience, and looking to transition out of the [old industry] industry and into other [major] Industries.

Brief highlights of my transferable skills include:
• List of skills that could transfer into multiple industries

Attached is my resume for your reference. If you need anything additional, such as recommendation letters, please let me know and I'm happy to send them.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
[Full Name]
 
Went for an interview today for a IT help-desk position. Funny enough this is a my second go at it and they pushed it forward for a in person interview; with the same exact interviewers.

The first time, even-though they liked me, they went with someone else. Another position opened up when someone left a few months later and I applied again, just to see, and was answered back only a few day later in email to provide an acceptable time frame for the interview; not even bother with the phone call interview.

Felt like the interview went well enough, but to be frank I really haven't had many interviews and the feeling of a knot in the pit of my stomach is still there; you always replay how you could have answered a question better after the fact.

Has anyone gotten into a scenario like this, applying for the second time and actually getting hired?
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
The soul crushing part of this job search nonsense is too true. It's only been 4 business days since I had an interview for a dream job of mine and I'm already telling myself I somehow fucked up and didn't get it. It's a mental blow.
 
The soul crushing part of this job search nonsense is too true. It's only been 4 business days since I had an interview for a dream job of mine and I'm already telling myself I somehow fucked up and didn't get it. It's a mental blow.

My interview was literally about 5 hours ago and I already know what you mean. Ugh, this anxious feeling is even killing my appetite.
 

Nelo Ice

Banned
The soul crushing part of this job search nonsense is too true. It's only been 4 business days since I had an interview for a dream job of mine and I'm already telling myself I somehow fucked up and didn't get it. It's a mental blow.

Kinda related since I am working towards a new career. I just interviewed for a scholarship on Friday and I'm sweating bullets. I'm telling myself I fucked up and I'm not getting it to soften the blow already. At least I'll find out by wed if I really did blow or if I passed onto the next interview. Since besides the organization offering the scholarship, I would still have to interview with the school next if they deemed me a good fit.
 

dity

Member
Managed to find the manager's number for that store in my recent call history. Now I'll call him Thursday to remind him about the resume stuff.

The soul crushing part of this job search nonsense is too true. It's only been 4 business days since I had an interview for a dream job of mine and I'm already telling myself I somehow fucked up and didn't get it. It's a mental blow.
Tell me about it. The whole process got me so down I basically gave up for a year.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
Went for an interview today for a IT help-desk position. Funny enough this is a my second go at it and they pushed it forward for a in person interview; with the same exact interviewers.

The first time, even-though they liked me, they went with someone else. Another position opened up when someone left a few months later and I applied again, just to see, and was answered back only a few day later in email to provide an acceptable time frame for the interview; not even bother with the phone call interview.

Felt like the interview went well enough, but to be frank I really haven't had many interviews and the feeling of a knot in the pit of my stomach is still there; you always replay how you could have answered a question better after the fact.

Has anyone gotten into a scenario like this, applying for the second time and actually getting hired?

I just started my IT position this last week. I'm a week in.

Turns out, they turned me down for someone else, but about a month later they called me. It's a very nice IT firm. I get to set up computers, troubleshoot hardware and software.

The firm also gets free certificate courses, which would help me greatly. I want to get an A+ certificate and work my way up.

One thing that hurt me was not having job experience. What I did have was computer knowledge as a gamer. I love messing around with my PC. I have messed around and done troubleshooting since the 90's. Even if I didn't know how to use a VPN. My internship is for 3 months and I'm trying to stay full time when I graduate.

I told them all about my experience with loading software onto my PC. How some games could not run and I went to Google to find the solution. I've had to delete old files from my registar and I also know how to set up equipment. I can install computers and so forth.

I didn't think I'd get it to be honest. I thought I was kinda doomed. They called me back and now I'm wearing my suit and doing things I do for fun. I hope I get somewhere with all this. I want to get certified in 2016.

I work for an IT firm that's very nice, high profile, and we only have 7 people. I'm lucky to be learning so much and to be doing the job I'm doing right now.
 
i have an interview for a full time driver delivery at UPS tomorrow.. should i go?

Huh, I was pretty sure they break you in the warehouse for a couple of years before letting those people become drivers. I'm surprised they are willing to go outside the company. Those are coveted jobs.
 

Sanjuro

Member
10-12 hours a day does sound insane.. im in the process for two positions in the City and a third exam for the MTA next year. I currently have a part time job that pays well though

Unless you want to work it long term basically. It's the type of place that doesn't give a shit about outside jobs or education. They are going to expect 100% of you, but they will pay you very well eventually.

If the other things are more important, I'd wait more personally. I know it's hard to hear. Did something similar recently.
 

PBalfredo

Member
Got an offer today! The long nightmare is over! I've been a graduate since the end of 2012, sent out well over a hundred applications to tons of companies, went through multiple interviews and design tests and amassed a huge collection of generic rejection emails. There were some dark times when it felt like my life was on hold and I had no traction. But now I finally landed a job in my field at a very prestigious studio. It will be lots of work, but after feeling worthless for so long, it will be good to do something I know will be worthwhile. This position will look killer on my resume in the future to boot, so I never have to go through this particular hell ever again.
 
I applied for a Customer Excellence Ninja position.

My cover letter said Customer Service Ninja.

Fuck.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I had someone reply to their own e-mail (which had their application) with the following (that I'm pretty sure was not supposed to be sent to anyone, let alone us):
Lets work on improving this template a bit tonight. Some typos, grammar and structure can be made better. Also we need to concise the content of the email.
Oops.

This is someone with a PhD and 7 years of experience.
 

dity

Member
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I had someone reply to their own e-mail (which had their application) with the following (that I'm pretty sure was not supposed to be sent to anyone, let alone us):
Oops.

This is someone with a PhD and 7 years of experience.

It sounds like they just screwed up who they sent their own reminder email to. I used to send reminder emails to myself before I grew confident with checking my calendar.
 

yepyepyep

Member
I did my job interview today. For the most part I am happy in how I performed. I could answer all questions and provide prior evidence of experience in fulfilling the criteria.
Hard to gauge their response though. The principal had a pretty blank expression on her face for most of the interview but I was getting the impression that she was bored from conducting interviews all day rather than bored at me specifically per se. We shall see come Monday.
 

gwailo

Banned
I was about to ask this question, as I'm looking to move from the east coast to LA. I have marketable skills (front end dev / ui / ux design), but I worry that I'm getting filtered automatically because I apply from out of state.

You could maybe try renting a mailbox from somewhere like Mail Boxes Etc. in the city where the company is located. The address looks like an apartment.

...How do you write cover letters. I'm thinking the fact that I'm not writing them because they're optional is why I'm not even getting retail jobs. :/

Unless you're applying for a store manager position, if you're submitting cover letters or resumes for retail positions, you're going to be flagged as overqualified and your application will be thrown in the bin.
 

Edwardo

Member
Hmm, haven't heard back from the recruiter at the company my friend works for in about a week. I went ahead and sent him a follow up email. Hopefully he gets back to me. :/

Also, my uncle put me in touch with an IT recruiter that he knows through a friend. Maybe, he can help me find something.
 

Zankou

Member
I had my first job interview since I graduated 3 weeks ago. It was mixed. On the one hand I think I could impress them with my career and experience so far, on the other hand they asked some really hard and specific questions I couldn't answer. Plus I miserably failed at speaking english. That was embarassing >.> (I'm not a native english speaker)

It would be too good to be true if I get that job ugh
 

Window

Member
I just had one of the most condescending passive aggressive phone interviews ever. According to the interviewer it went very well...

I don't know if I'll accept the offer even if I get one now (I probably will).
 
I work at a gas station during school. I intern as a software developer during the summers. Let me just say, quite the difference. My boss at the station has zero control over the kids here. He plays favorites. And is just losing his mind in general. They are converting me to a shift manager. It comes with a $2.50 raise but it's whatever.

I really hate working with people who don't take it seriously. Regardless of the work, you should try to do your part. Anyway, I got to the point where I was almost embarrassed to work there so I applied for an IT internship that handles networking and voice communications and got the job. Only part time but it's better than the gas station. I plan on working a day a week at the station so I don't look too bad after getting the raise.
 

entremet

Member
Got an offer today! The long nightmare is over! I've been a graduate since the end of 2012, sent out well over a hundred applications to tons of companies, went through multiple interviews and design tests and amassed a huge collection of generic rejection emails. There were some dark times when it felt like my life was on hold and I had no traction. But now I finally landed a job in my field at a very prestigious studio. It will be lots of work, but after feeling worthless for so long, it will be good to do something I know will be worthwhile. This position will look killer on my resume in the future to boot, so I never have to go through this particular hell ever again.

Congrats. Great job on staying strong. It can be morale killing.
 

Edwardo

Member
Ok the recruiter got right back to me and wants me to take an assessment test. I guess it's half iq test and half personality test. Gonna take care of it today.

edit: Completed the test and the recruiter got back to me a half hour later. Wants to set up a phone interview :D
 

Mailbox

Member
Went to a "job fair" at my local best buy. Turned out to just be a way to interview a large amount of people for holiday season work, which is fine.

Gave a few answers that I probably shouldn't have (or at least gone with something less terrible), though I might be being hypercritical.


I noticed that everyone waiting was writing on job application forms, but none were given to me, so I just waited my turn.

Did the interview, interviewer was nice and no real hassle.
They didn't ask for my resume or my contact info though... Probably should have given it to them regardless, but in the moment It didn't cross my mind. They do have my resume that I gave them from earlier in the week before I even knew about the fair, but considering they were asking me my name, I don't think they knew that was me.

I won't be getting this job...
Now i feel down :/
 

MC Safety

Member
...How do you write cover letters. I'm thinking the fact that I'm not writing them because they're optional is why I'm not even getting retail jobs. :/

I'd apply for retail jobs in person.

But a cover letter is a good thing to learn to write anyway. It's a statement of interest and a sales pitch. You're telling someone why you're right for the job. Generally, you should avoid using generic cover letters and tailor each application for the position and the company.
 
It's been over a year now since I got laid off. I haven't had a permanent job since. Funnily enough, I'm not even stressed anymore; I'm just completely beyond that point.

I'm doing everything "right." But nothing's working - at all.
Vaguely hoping that complaining on GAF will somehow actually get me an interview.
Mostly just hoping that I can quote myself here soon and say that everything turned out all right.
 
I figure I'd write this for anyone feeling down and to give my personal experience.

I live in DC, and recently left my job due to ethical concerns regarding upper management. I was a store manager making a decent salary, however some business changes altered what my take-home was and I ended up making a lot less, missing the majority of my bills. The decision to leave was difficult, but I was determined to get another job in 2-3 weeks in my niche industry (sales-oriented)--my fiance' disagreed that time-frame was realistic, but I was determined regardless because I know my worth. Stupid decision? Probably, but I already had some opportunities in the pipeline and didn't think it'd take much longer. I left September 15, applied for approx. ~65 positions; each one I researched extensively, wrote extremely high quality, tailored cover letters and resumes' to, and read every single Glassdoor review/interview question for all positions. I interviewed with about 10 different companies and made it to final rounds in several, and accepted an offer at the end of October to start November 12th. I fully believed in myself to get a position in my original 3 week estimate, but of course, reality is different, but the optimism and determination I had only helped my process anyway.

I focused heavily on high quality applications rather than the mediocre shotgun approach, and generally worked from 8AM-6PM with virtually no breaks to sift through 4-5 job sites for what seemed out of the box. Creating quality CL's and passing assessments, personality tests, and other requirements take a lot of time, and that's even before I got a phone call. I used LinkedIn constantly and reached out to unique folks within a company I was looking to get into, whether HR, Sales Managers and even Presidents if they have an open profile if it's a regional company and not a large international firm. I spent 2 straight days working on my resume' to make it perfect and well worded, and made sure I had exact employment dates and the like.

I personally have to go far above and beyond because I lack a degree of any sort--and I live in one of the most highly educated areas of the US, so getting a job without a BA at minimum is borderline impossible, even for retail positions. Because of this, I got pretty skilled at making myself stand out of the crowd and thinking of unique ways to approach getting a job, because I have to. The funny thing about my whole experience is, the company whom offer I accepted and who I had the best experience with, never had a job listing. I Googled the industry in my area and focused on companies that had a truly high quality product, and found a company that impressed me. I called them, asked if they were hiring, and was able to grab an email of the manager--whom I promptly emailed, and received a response back a week later and began interviews. They offered me double what I was making as a base salary, and a year grace period of prospecting before I opt into commission on top of salary. It's in a perfect location and the hours are 9-5 compared to the 7AM-9PM retail hours I was working before, an industry I'm passionate about, and is better in arguably every way. The interview process was fairly difficult and long, having to speak with: Manager, Director, VP, President, then Manager, assessments, and offer.

Important: If there's a job that you seem perfect for, and that you can perform, but requires education you don't have, apply anyway.
Also: Confidence. A company needs you, plain and simple. Don't overthink it -- there's no reason to be nervous in an interview, they have to sell you the job just as much if not more than you have to sell yourself.
Another Thing: Make sure you practice interview questions extensively. Difficult ones. Google "difficult interview questions" and create objectively good answers (get second opinions) for as many as you can stand that could even remotely apply to the position you're applying for. Sometimes I would look at interview questions for a company on Glassdoor for business development, and when I got into the interview, they asked questions that people listed under project management. Be as well rounded as possible, and prepare for follow-up questions if you answer one particularly well (or bad.)

Several of my offers were from positions that read "Min. BA Required." or something similar -- yeah, okay. We all know companies put that on there to filter away as much mediocrity as possible, but in my experience companies are more focused on gaining employees who are willing to learn, can work well in teams, and fit into the culture of the business. Turnover is expensive, and I know that coming from a company that had the highest turnover in my industry AFAIK. As long as you can perform the job to a competent extent and can argue that you can bring something different or unique to the table, it's easy to get interviews for things you may seem way under-qualified for. I do it all the time. So for all of you who are wearing down, keep your head up and realize no matter how effective and efficient you can be, it takes time. You'll eventually land the job you want; don't take anything personally. Do everything and anything you can to stand out to the company you're applying for and make use of every networking avenue you can. Maybe learn some basic sales principles if you're not at all familiar -- why? Because regardless of what industry you're in, getting your dream job requires a lot of selling, so you might as well get used to it.

If anyone wants a fresh opinion of resumes' or CL's, PM me and I'll give insight if I can. I'm not a professional by any means, but I do have a unique perspective about these sort of things just from my background. I hope I gave something of use to someone in my wall of text, sorry for that.
 

Cuzco

Banned
Take heed gaf! I graduated as a liberal arts major and just landed a nice gig...Use your career center if you have one!! My 4 months of job searching taught me its all about finding a contact with the company, and persistence, lots and lots of persistence, never give up.

Finding an affordable apartment thats not garbage. Now thats the real struggle. Anyone need a roomie in Stamford CT? lmao
 
This upcoming Wednesday will be two weeks exactly since I had a phone interview. I felt that the interview was ok. The Hiring Manager seemed interested in my experience and was very detailed about what the next step would be at the end of the call.

He even asked me if I'd feel comfortable with going to NY for an interview if he couldn't make it to the Philly office to interview me in person. I told him that I would.

But since so much time has passed, I've pretty much accepted that I won't be getting a call back, but my family and friends are telling me to be more optimistic.

Has anyone ever waited this long for a response after the first phone interview?
 

yepyepyep

Member
Just got an email declining my application. Back to square one I guess. I will probably give a call sometime in the week for advice on how to improve my performance. It is a bit demoralising because after all the applications I have sent they were the only school that offered me an interview.

I guess I have to resume job applications. I am so sick of writing cover letters :(
 
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