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Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I might end up going digital, I wonder if there's really no copies around on purpose as they think it won't sell at all.
The Wheel of Fortune
Member
Do you know japanese, or are you somehow reading Ciel in English?
The Wheel of Fortune
Member
Great! Thanks for sharing.
D: You didn't read the opening post?
I played the game for a few hours and enjoyed it, initially not planning on reading the summaries in case offline version of Ciel nosurge got localized, but I ultimately decided to read them anyway. I'm on chapter 4 now and it really sucks that they never localized this since most of the characters already know each other and everything in the sequel. I'm going to pick Ar nosurge back up tomorrow after I'm done reading/watching the summaries.
Good man, Ciel is a fantastic read. Hearing folks seeing all the connections right off the bat illustrates how necessary Ciel is.
Thickstone
Member
I was a bit reluctant at first, but it is really fun to read the detailed ciel summary.
Highly recommended!
Highly recommended!
That's the internet for you.
Lol, maybe they don't realize that Ar nosurge is a sequel?
Basileus777
Member
That's...actually a pretty reasonable opinion. Having to read a fan summary of an untranslated game to enjoy this is hardly ideal.
His reason is the sequel should be able to stand on its own without any need for reading regarding the previous game. That's unreasonable.
You should ask people if you need to play Danganronpa 1 before playing the 2nd game. Look at what they tell you.
But the game has mechaisms to introduce players to the setting, easily well enough to follow along. For example, I think how the glossary is integrated directly in the dialogue system is pretty neat.
So far, I think reading Ciel does increase your enjoyment of the game, but it's not strictly necessary. You could play it and understand the story and setting just with the in-game explanations, glossary and character profiles.
So far, I think reading Ciel does increase your enjoyment of the game, but it's not strictly necessary. You could play it and understand the story and setting just with the in-game explanations, glossary and character profiles.
A sequel should expect that its audience knows about the prequel. The problem isn't that the game should explain everything about the prequel, it's that we don't have access to the prequel. Well, I agree that it sucks having to read a fan summary of Ciel nosurge, but I feel lucky that we're getting the game at all lol.
Thickstone
Member
I agree, KT should have included an ingame summary of Ciel. I mean...what if these (good) fan summaries did not exist? I understand that localizing Ciel would not have made much sense but at the same time it does not make such sense to not provide any form of official substitite.
The thing that bugs me regarding these posts is that: if it is such a dealbreaker for you to rely on fan summaries beforehand, then don't buy the game. Simple as that. What are people expected to respond to that.
The thing holding me off from this game is the fact that you don't get the whole story by just playing this one. I understand its a sequel, but then they should not have localized it without the prequel. Can't stand things like that.
Just how much of a fish out of water are you by simply playing through this game? Is it limited to simply a better understanding, or are you going to just be lost due to prior events without your knowledge?
Just how much of a fish out of water are you by simply playing through this game? Is it limited to simply a better understanding, or are you going to just be lost due to prior events without your knowledge?
Basileus777
Member
I mostly agree. But that opinion was hardly so outlandish as to warrant a cross forum shaming session.
It's not so much a dealbreaker, they just expect the game to stand on its own merits. Similar posters posted Drakengard 3 as an example.
YMMV perhaps. Durante for example seems fine up there, but I've had fine discussion with folks that played both and was irritated at Ar because they forgot about details in Ciel that lead to/explain events in Ar. I'll say it again and again, it's all dependent on how you process your experiences. It's very much possible to play Ar blind and go backwards with Ciel to fill in the gaps if you want, but if you think that ruins your Ar experience first hand on the other hand.
Also, maybe you don't end up playing Ar, but Ciel itself is a great read on its own and very much worth checking out.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
The Ciel summary is so well done that I don't even see it as a negative to have to read it before playing Ar nosurge, I've had a great time reading it and I'm now really interested to see what happens next.
Basileus777
Member
Yeah, I've enjoyed reading it a lot. It's so muvh better than that pastebin which I read and retained almost nothing.
At this point (so not too far into the game) I still think playing Ar nosurge without knowing anything about Ciel is perfectly possible. Of course this is hard to judge as someone who did read the summary, but I believe that the glossary introduces the terminology you need to know, and the character profiles give a rough overview of their backgrounds. Obviously, it's better and more involving if you played or read about Ciel, but that's a value-add, not a strict necessity.
I also agree with this though.
Yeah, that's true. I expect it to be a common sentiment though, so I wanted to voice my opinion. :V
It would've been best if they localized Ciel nosurge. It would've been nice if they provided an in-game summary of Ciel. Judging from the reports of spotty QA work in places, I'm not sure they would've been able to do that lol. Creating an ingame summary would require way more than just a localization. Judging from the scope, it could require anything from a large increase in scriptwriting and QA work to more programmers with a more intimate knowledge of the game's engine to create scenes and/or import models from the Vita game.
Also it closes the door to an eventual localization of the offline version of Ciel nosurge if that ever were to happen.
If they could've provided a booklet with their own official summary, that would've been convenient enough. I'm surprised they didn't do that to be honest.
Well it's around as an inkling to what happened in Ciel to shed a little more light in Ar, and maybe some folks don't have the time to read the novel presentation that is the detailed summary. But by all means, if they can, as folks here are mentioning in their feedback, it's really enjoyable regardless.
Yeah, that's true. I expect it to be a common sentiment though, so I wanted to voice my opinion. :V
It would've been best if they localized Ciel nosurge. It would've been nice if they provided an in-game summary of Ciel. Judging from the reports of spotty QA work in places, I'm not sure they would've been able to do that lol. Creating an ingame summary would require way more than just a localization. Judging from the scope, it could require anything from a large increase in scriptwriting and QA work to more programmers with a more intimate knowledge of the game's engine to create scenes and/or import models from the Vita game.
Also it closes the door to an eventual localization of the offline version of Ciel nosurge if that ever were to happen.
If they could've provided a booklet with their own official summary, that would've been convenient enough. I'm surprised they didn't do that to be honest.
What's unfortunate is that if we were to ask KT, they already officially claim (and in some capacity they are right) that it's perfectly fine stand alone, so they wouldn't have done anything about it. But it's funny how they flipflop about the position depending it being the West or Japan
Actually, how they've handled Ar nosurge makes more sense now that I've heard that KT's official stance is that you can play it standalone. I didn't really get it before lol.
Lol hopefully I'm not sounding too defensive of how KT has handled releasing this game. I don't think it has been particularly good either, but I do think that they probably wouldn't have localized this game if they had to put in more resources.
Lol hopefully I'm not sounding too defensive of how KT has handled releasing this game. I don't think it has been particularly good either, but I do think that they probably wouldn't have localized this game if they had to put in more resources.
The official stance is amusing tho. I'm going to quote blackraen himself from another forum.
Going back to the Tsuchiya lines, if you missed it, @ TGS he said himself that Ciel was necessary to the enjoyment of Ar. So we got some really sleazy marketing going on from KT here.
I think I actually agree with the "no Ciel experience necessary to enjoy Ar" argument. I almost feel like I shouldn't have read about Ciel as then I could more confidently argue this. Almost, but not quite
Of course, it's undeniable that you'll enjoy it more if you know Ciel's story.
Of course, it's undeniable that you'll enjoy it more if you know Ciel's story.
Thickstone
Member
Is there an official word whether they turn this into a trilogy? Or is Ar the final installment?
Nothing, and Ar does end pretty tightly. There's also the matter of how well it sold in Japan back then, but looks like there's Ciel offline and Ar plus so who really knows. I was sure back then the series was doomed though.
I just hope that Akira Tsuchiya gets to continue to make these crazy and unique games. (And in a way that has a chance of translation)
Very early first impressions:
- the mess they've made of NPC dialogue is kind of hilarious, trying to piece together how the conversations are supposed to slot together is actually adding to my enjoyment
- Nay's costume is ridiculous, but otherwise the fanservice is pretty inoffensive at this very early stage - even the purification stuff
- I might switch to English voices purely because so much is unsubtitled (battle dialogue, purification comments etc.)
- the story is an odd mix of introduction and "you should know these people already". Surely Delta's amnesia would make no sense if you've played Ciel, because you know his past already? The worst thing so far has been the odd references to "when you destroyed the barrier six months ago" - how on earth are you supposed to understand that???
- first Genometrics was wryly amusing in a very otaku-esque way
As I say, super early impressions, I've only had about an hour or so with the game. Which is probably longer than the editing team had with the script (seriously, how hard was it to spellcheck PLASMA?).
- the mess they've made of NPC dialogue is kind of hilarious, trying to piece together how the conversations are supposed to slot together is actually adding to my enjoyment
- Nay's costume is ridiculous, but otherwise the fanservice is pretty inoffensive at this very early stage - even the purification stuff
- I might switch to English voices purely because so much is unsubtitled (battle dialogue, purification comments etc.)
- the story is an odd mix of introduction and "you should know these people already". Surely Delta's amnesia would make no sense if you've played Ciel, because you know his past already? The worst thing so far has been the odd references to "when you destroyed the barrier six months ago" - how on earth are you supposed to understand that???
- first Genometrics was wryly amusing in a very otaku-esque way
As I say, super early impressions, I've only had about an hour or so with the game. Which is probably longer than the editing team had with the script (seriously, how hard was it to spellcheck PLASMA?).
Suzushiiro
Banned
I'm surprised that this game got a T rating when it has not one but two scenes where girls are wearing nothing but soap and conveniently-placed hair in the first four hours. I don't remember AT3 having anything close to that and it was rated M.
flatearthpandas
Member
I think I actually agree with the "no Ciel experience necessary to enjoy Ar" argument. I almost feel like I shouldn't have read about Ciel as then I could more confidently argue this. Almost, but not quite
Of course, it's undeniable that you'll enjoy it more if you know Ciel's story.
Is anyone familiar with Boogiepop Phantom?
Short description: it's a show that frequently references a book that takes place, but all the necessary information is in the show if you pay close attention. The result is that you can actually enjoy the show more without having read the book if you put in the effort to listen carefully and really parse all the information in the show.
Is it like that in this case? Can Ciel's full story be gleaned from Ar nosurge? Or do you mean more that it is possible to enjoy, but not possible to get full enjoyment?
It's one of my favourite "esoteric" anime shows, actually. Never thought it would come up in this thread
It's too early for me to say. For now, I feel like it's a case of all important story bits being there somewhere, but I don't think you can get the same level of enjoyment out of it. Simply because these games are a lot about characters, and you know more about those characters if you played (or read) Ciel.
AT3 had the player deliberately aiming to make the girls strip, moan voluptuously and tweak their nipples (in service of powering up, obviously, but still).
Obviously.
FinalHeaven
Neo Member
I really like the look of this game so I'm wondering, if I read that summary stuff for Ciel nosurge is that enough to understand and appreciate this game?
Basileus777
Member
My LE arrived, though I probably won't have time to play it until tomorrow.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I don't remember tweaking anyone nipples in AT3...
drtomoe123
Member
Just got this email...
I originally ordered this and Fairy Fencer in the same order because they had the same release date. When the dates got switched and I realized FFF would be shipped with Ar no Surge a week later I figured it was OK because I was more excited about playing Surge. Now I have to wait another week to get either of them? Awesome!
I originally ordered this and Fairy Fencer in the same order because they had the same release date. When the dates got switched and I realized FFF would be shipped with Ar no Surge a week later I figured it was OK because I was more excited about playing Surge. Now I have to wait another week to get either of them? Awesome!
Lol yup, I'm in that 10% too. So glad I got the regular in the mean time
When you finish the game, you should check out the Ar nosurge Proto I posted.
Yes, it is.