Fabieter
Member
Dont think it will be optional the next time. They learned their lesson.
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Arrowhead Studios confirm PSN Account Requirement decision was on Sony - Game received over 15,000 negative reviews and is now 'Mixed' on Steam
Dont think it will be optional the next time. They learned their lesson.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I think, for Sony. They also have to ensure every country that steam sells games in is supported for psn and the set up is as easy as possible.
feynoob
Banned
Are you hearing yourself man
FunkMiller
Member
This entire thing reeks of higher management, with zero expertise in customer service, handing down an edict because they saw more dollar signs and a bigger yacht.
Too fucking dumb and greedy to understand how to manipulate and persuade your audience properly.
I am so fucking happy it backfired on them so spectacularly.
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Fabieter
Member
Don't think much will change on that front since the next game is probably around the corner. Doubt they will manage to support alot of more countries for the next games. They just won't sell it in unsupported countries.
Does Steam even allow this? I don't think it does.
Fabieter
Member
I think ubisoft also did something like that.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
What ingame rewards for account linking? Absolutely. iv seen it available for a few titles, cyberpunk for example.
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coolmast3r
Member
This thread absolutely has to be archived for Stockholm Syndrome research purposes if all the Sony's shitty policy defenders are actually just regular people not affiliated with Sony's business 
AmuroChan
Member
Do bot reviews occur on Steam?
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Holammer
Member
Here is the PSN signup bonus for Sackboy.
Needless to say, I don't have it, nor have I played it online because it requires an EGS account which isn't communicated on the store page and Remote Play Together is disabled.
Astray
Member
Not only that, they created pressure on Steam to improve further.
In my region pricing on Epic is either better or the same as Steam, so depending on your region there could be a positive price pressure too.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Get fucken got.
Community - Helldivers 2 Players Are Organizing to Revert Negative Helldivers 2 Steam Reviews
PlayStation has reversed course on the Helldivers 2 PSN account requirement, walking back the unpopular policy after a weekend long backlash that included tens of thousands of negative reviews, some of which spread to Sony's other Steam games. As a result, players have began to mobilize to...
How about next time champion for consumer rights instead of dicksucking Sony. Corporations do not care about you, you don't work for Sony, stop giving a shit and let consumers have options
mayham2199
Member
Just add cross save progression and give players something they want for linking PSN. That will get most people to sign up.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
BOOM! Imagine having to go through all of this if every 1st party game would be PC Day 1 and wanting to deal with this crap.....
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because not all of us even want or care about all of Playstation games being on PC in the first place. Yet many PC gamers were crying for a system that allows them to play Playstation games on PC. Now that they got it, Sony is doing the same thing that every other companies have done in the PC space.
Maybe PC gamers need to be careful of what they ask for.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, they really didn't in this case. That's the whole reason for what happened lol.
They were about to retroactively mandate PS accounts for a game they were selling for 3, 4 months without it being mandatory. Among other things, it would have resulted in players from 170+ countries not being able to play the game they bought on Steam, because PSN doesn't exist in those countries.
This whole "they're only doing what other companies are doing" argument is not very well thought out.
Mr Moose
Member
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Sure, I agree that Sony may have wanted to have it mandatory from day 1. But for whatever reason it wasn't, and it sold a shit ton in that state. Retroactively putting this, let's call it a very restrictive DRM, on a game post-release was never going to be received well.
Games get chewed up for even something less controversial like adding Denuvo post-release.
Mr Moose
Member
Fucking Capcom and that shitty DRM they added to Monster Hunter Rise *shakes fist* I can't even launch the game anymore, no idea why, I don't use mods and shit
bender
What time is it?
A saving grace or at least a reprieve might be the time it takes Sony to sort out getting global support for PSN Accounts. That's not light switch that can just be flipped on as every country has their own regulations and Sony needs to make sure they are compliant. The largest factor of course would be how their games are performing in regions without PSN Account support.
The saving grace of Helldivers 2 launching in such a broken state is they had to scramble to get any semblance of functionality so they temporarily removed the requirement. Sony has a lot to learn about the PC market and live service and I'm going to take them at their word that they are listening and are willing to learn. They've taken the appropriate first step and did so swiftly. Up next figuring out the regional mess they've created.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bad part was selling the game in countries without PSN and then making it mandatory. Looks like they didn't want to split the baby and make it mandatory only in countries that have PSN only. And non-mandatory in the other countries.
Fess
Member
They had it on Horizon Forbidden West:
- Nora Legacy Outfit and Nora Spear* (available only when linking your Steam account to PlayStation Network)
Viz108
Neo Member
As much as I want to believe it was the negative reviews that made Sony cave it was probably a combination of this and Steam offering full refunds for anyone in those countries who could no longer play the game they paid for. There's voting with your wallet, and there's threatening it with a knife.
Anyway, thanks GabeN, always knew we could count on you.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
My man, fuck Sony and all corporations. They were clearly in the wrong not providing non-supported countries with an official/legal way to create a PSN account.Get fucken got.
Community - Helldivers 2 Players Are Organizing to Revert Negative Helldivers 2 Steam Reviews
PlayStation has reversed course on the Helldivers 2 PSN account requirement, walking back the unpopular policy after a weekend long backlash that included tens of thousands of negative reviews, some of which spread to Sony's other Steam games. As a result, players have began to mobilize to...www.neogaf.com
How about next time champion for consumer rights instead of dicksucking Sony. Corporations do not care about you, you don't work for Sony, stop giving a shit and let consumers have options
At the same time, HD2 PC players were also wrong for protesting against linking to the PSN account as that is exactly what they agreed on when they bought the game.
Never have I ever sided with corporations against gamers. The community is way more important to me than anything else.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Should be a combination of both. Reviews generate headlines and discourage players from buying the game (which leads to lesser future sales), while exposing the numerous flaws of the PSN infrastructure.
Pejo
Gold Member
Good question. It's probably in their best interests to do so, that way if people break ToS with VPNs or whatever, they're not held responsible for it.
That said, it'd sure be nice if Sony kept it optional and just provided incentives for people to link their PSN instead.
FunkMiller
Member
Yep. They'd have to. Otherwise they are selling a product that cannot be legally played in those countries.
Sony have fucked themselves with their greed, and it's delicious.
Topher
Identifies as young
Valve doesn't set the region restrictions for games. That's up to the publisher. The login process itself isn't a part of Steam so Valve may not even know if a publisher adds any requirement like this. This is where Valve's refund policy comes into play.
Steam Support :: Region Restrictions on Steam
Mr Moose
Member
From 52% to 71%. Starfield can't catch a break.Helldivers 2 overall rating is back to "Mostly Positive"
Topher
Identifies as young
FunkMiller
Member
Helldivers 2 overall rating is back to "Mostly Positive"
You know, I'm really beginning to appreciate just how terrified a lot of games publishers and journalists were over Sweet Baby Inc Detected thing.
Steam is obviously a platform that can effect change in company policy and sales.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Not Steam, its the PC players. Steam only provide the tools for the players to do so.
FunkMiller
Member
Very true, but Steam provides the outlet from which the players can make their opinions known. It doesn't feel like there's another gaming platform that has the same capacity right now.
JackMcGunns
Member
Checks and balances. Seems petty, but look at the results. I have an account, and I'm sure that most of users here do as well, so it doesn't seem like a big deal, but no one wants to be forced, especially after the fact.
Topher
Identifies as young
Forcing after the fact and in non-PSN countries, along with poor communication, were the crux of the issue. All avoidable.
JackMcGunns
Member
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Devs sound like theyre sick of this shit
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
lol this situation.
It's complicated. They had a deal with sony to put psn in place from day1 which they didn't (server issues they say).
Then they failed to communicate about reactivation.
On sony side, they totally fucked all the region selling stuff. So everyone did everything wrong lol
Dr. Claus
Banned
Read the thread and educate yourself on the reason people were unhappy.
MikeM
Member
Yeah cause they bent over took it for all the other companies that require thrid party sign in
Topher
Identifies as young
If Sony had implemented the login properly from the beginning instead of creating a mess out of it then it wouldn't have been an issue here either.