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Assetto Corsa (Console) |OT| Kunos tries to console us.
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What's this feud between Kunos and SMS that I keep hearing about? Apparently this tweet was a response to digs from Kunos or something..?
https://twitter.com/projectcarsgame/status/768458053607915520
a) That picture is seriously scary
and
b) People in glass houses................
Video I just took with an X1 pad with the Formula Abarth at Mugello:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4rf_AMYq2Y
I did a 1.52.xxx, within 2 laps and on mediums.
Leaderboard:
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=5&car=18&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all
We can see this guy with a 360 pad went from a 1.52.xxx down to a 1.47.7xx
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=laptime_improvement&trackId=5&carId=18&driverId=9662
World record is a 1.46.xxx
Average around 1.48.xxx
Lot better imo.
I did a comparison a long time back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOnylsUT1_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4rf_AMYq2Y
I did a 1.52.xxx, within 2 laps and on mediums.
Leaderboard:
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=5&car=18&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all
We can see this guy with a 360 pad went from a 1.52.xxx down to a 1.47.7xx
http://www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=laptime_improvement&trackId=5&carId=18&driverId=9662
World record is a 1.46.xxx
Average around 1.48.xxx
Lot better imo.
I did a comparison a long time back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOnylsUT1_c
What's this feud between Kunos and SMS that I keep hearing about? Apparently this tweet was a response to digs from Kunos or something..?
https://twitter.com/projectcarsgame/status/768458053607915520
You know who the guy is? I don't really get the pun...
That's Ian Bell, owner of SMS.
Because the release of PCars on console went really well to start with didn't it.
drotahorror
Member
No G29 support for the PS4 version? It's a freakin PS4 wheel...
Kunos says it's supported.
Ho! Ok...Tx!
Yeah, I'm not sure what this feud with Kunos is all about. It was alluded to on the official pCARS forums but I don't visit there much anymore after having some critical posts deleted by militant mods.
I stopped going there a while ago, that place is properly toxic.
Bell is just a big head, it doesn't surprise me to see him taking a jab at Kunos.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
pCars felt like Early Access for a long ass time. I abandoned it for AC.
Their position seems to be that Kunos has been firing all the shots. I'll see if I can find the thread.
Edit: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?47635-Assetto-Corsa-car-list-for-consoles/page8
Starts at post 286. Anyone know what it's all about?
Edit 2: seems to be about some tweets that Kunos made.
Probably just a de facto ego based twitter 'war', just makes both studio heads look like nob'eds
Do the rumble triggers work? That's one thing that'd probably really help when using a controller. I love them when playing Forza 6, it's almost like mini FFB telling you when you're starting to lose grip.
Not on PC.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Just from the steering wheel acceleration and degree of rotation, I'd say AC definitely does look better with a pad than pCARS. Thanks for the video.
I'm going to need some consoling:
Sony, why you do this?
So if you want a Fanatec wheel on the PS4, you will likely have to buy an entirely new wheel base and wheel.
Again, this pretty much cements the fact that if you want to enjoy sim racing, you are better off making the PC your home. Forza MS # is coming to the PC. So basically you are only missing out on GT Sport, which is has a lot prove to make it worth a $500+ investment.
And people wonder why sim racing doesn't succeed (outside of GT and its marketing budget) on consoles.
Sony, why you do this?
So if you want a Fanatec wheel on the PS4, you will likely have to buy an entirely new wheel base and wheel.
Again, this pretty much cements the fact that if you want to enjoy sim racing, you are better off making the PC your home. Forza MS # is coming to the PC. So basically you are only missing out on GT Sport, which is has a lot prove to make it worth a $500+ investment.
And people wonder why sim racing doesn't succeed (outside of GT and its marketing budget) on consoles.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Wait till they force SMS to patch the support out (pshhhhht, maybe they haven't even noticed that pCARS has that, right? Or was that just a workaround? I think I knew this at some point already :/ )
Yeah, its much easier to be consistent.
I did a few more laps with the Formula Abarth and got to a 1.49.xxx, pretty respectable with just a pad.
That was softs and 6L of fuel. There is another 1sec on the table if I can string together all my sectors.
Maintenance
Member
And Gran Turismo Sport won't have dynamic weather or time, plus not even close to the content previous GT games had period. If only they spent more money developing it.
Got this yesterday and yes, it has tech issues but, honestly, the driving experience dominates. The physics model has the confidence to be thrilling, challenging and playful. It absolutely commands authority.
I spent last night taking an Alfa Romeo 4C - all assists off except Factory Setting for ABS - on Practise runs on all the circuits and it's so much fun. Everywhere. I know people probably jumped to higher-tier Superscars and GT cars but the 4C never failed to amuse in Assetto Corsa, thanks to the physics model.
I also raced the 4C at Catalunya in a field of same Class Alien AI opposition and, to be fair, if you think ahead and position your car in the right place you'll get away with a couple of light BTCC style shunts that don't ever disrupt your racing style. The whole race was safe in that regard. Alien AI are really fast so that's going to be an ongoing challenge. I didn't understand why the AI got stuck behind each other, though, when there is plenty of room to overtake with a good start.
Circuit variety is really strong. Along with the traditional blockbusters, Spa, Silverstone and Catalunya, there's a re-introduction of Vallelunga, Zandvoort and Mugello. Endearing circuits usually overlooked by the big-hitters are a perfect match for Assetto Corsa's physics model. I mean we are talking about returning circuits from some past greats like Ferrari Challenge, Race Pro and Test Drive: Ferrari Racing Legends. Why do the bigger developers shy away from such great tracks? We need them all in one great package.
However, I'm really, really chuffed to say this version of the Nordschleife is absolutely brilliant. Not since Gran Turismo have I been so impressed with the way this legendary track has been realised in a racing game. A perfect marriage of this circuit and this physics model makes it feel alive. I had a tonne of fun in the 4C around there last night.
Thank you KUNOS Simulation.
DualShock 4 controls seems to be fine out-of-the-box. I didn't need to adjust anything but I imagine I'll need to make some adjustments for higher class cars that may be more sensitive to my inputs. With the 4C though, it was absolutely fine.
However, not being able to customise controls at all is really annoying. Believe it or not I shaved off more time and won more online races in Project CARS using D-Pad, face and shoulder buttons so this is a step back for me. Yes, changing gears using L & R buttons is much more intuitive, but whatever, I've got used to it somewhat already. Some customisation would be nice, though.
I use bonnet-cam in Project CARS but I seem to be anything up to a second quicker using forward cockpit cam, the one without the steering wheel visible. That's a nice surprise I expect enhances immersion somewhat too.
The visuals are functional; a little disappointing and not what I expect on a PS4. The sound is good though, except the menu music which seems to come out of a single random speaker every time I'm selecting what to do next.
And yeah, the replays are naff. Visual shortcomings are highlighted by dodger camerawork and an unrealistic sound mix. Yuk.
Generally there needs to be a tonne of polish before this is a full release, something clearly evident in it's performance. Post-patch the frame-rate isn't stable but manageable but the tearing can be a little distracting. I've never seen it this bad in a racing game before but it is what it is and I just got on with it. I hope coming updates solidify the experience and emphasise it's true potential to players that can't work around it.
I spent last night taking an Alfa Romeo 4C - all assists off except Factory Setting for ABS - on Practise runs on all the circuits and it's so much fun. Everywhere. I know people probably jumped to higher-tier Superscars and GT cars but the 4C never failed to amuse in Assetto Corsa, thanks to the physics model.
I also raced the 4C at Catalunya in a field of same Class Alien AI opposition and, to be fair, if you think ahead and position your car in the right place you'll get away with a couple of light BTCC style shunts that don't ever disrupt your racing style. The whole race was safe in that regard. Alien AI are really fast so that's going to be an ongoing challenge. I didn't understand why the AI got stuck behind each other, though, when there is plenty of room to overtake with a good start.
Circuit variety is really strong. Along with the traditional blockbusters, Spa, Silverstone and Catalunya, there's a re-introduction of Vallelunga, Zandvoort and Mugello. Endearing circuits usually overlooked by the big-hitters are a perfect match for Assetto Corsa's physics model. I mean we are talking about returning circuits from some past greats like Ferrari Challenge, Race Pro and Test Drive: Ferrari Racing Legends. Why do the bigger developers shy away from such great tracks? We need them all in one great package.
However, I'm really, really chuffed to say this version of the Nordschleife is absolutely brilliant. Not since Gran Turismo have I been so impressed with the way this legendary track has been realised in a racing game. A perfect marriage of this circuit and this physics model makes it feel alive. I had a tonne of fun in the 4C around there last night.
Thank you KUNOS Simulation.
DualShock 4 controls seems to be fine out-of-the-box. I didn't need to adjust anything but I imagine I'll need to make some adjustments for higher class cars that may be more sensitive to my inputs. With the 4C though, it was absolutely fine.
However, not being able to customise controls at all is really annoying. Believe it or not I shaved off more time and won more online races in Project CARS using D-Pad, face and shoulder buttons so this is a step back for me. Yes, changing gears using L & R buttons is much more intuitive, but whatever, I've got used to it somewhat already. Some customisation would be nice, though.
I use bonnet-cam in Project CARS but I seem to be anything up to a second quicker using forward cockpit cam, the one without the steering wheel visible. That's a nice surprise I expect enhances immersion somewhat too.
The visuals are functional; a little disappointing and not what I expect on a PS4. The sound is good though, except the menu music which seems to come out of a single random speaker every time I'm selecting what to do next.
And yeah, the replays are naff. Visual shortcomings are highlighted by dodger camerawork and an unrealistic sound mix. Yuk.
Generally there needs to be a tonne of polish before this is a full release, something clearly evident in it's performance. Post-patch the frame-rate isn't stable but manageable but the tearing can be a little distracting. I've never seen it this bad in a racing game before but it is what it is and I just got on with it. I hope coming updates solidify the experience and emphasise it's true potential to players that can't work around it.
PaulBizkit
Member
I don't know if it's ok to ask this here but... is there any racing game where you can drive a Renault 12 Break??
Wow...that's some pretty hardcore niche shit ! ;-)
I never saw that car in a game...sorry.
LostDonkey
Member
not strictly a racing game but http://www.gtaall.com/gta-san-andreas/cars/31317-renault-12-break.html
AC on PC supports mods so Im not sure if someone in the community could mod the car you're after if it hasn't already been done. I think http://www.racedepartment.com/ has a list of mods.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Aside from Alpine A110 and Renault 5 Turbo, it's hard to find ANY old Renaults even in games like GT6 with (officially) over 1200 cars.
The closest thing that I've ever driven in a racing game is probably the Peugeot 504 mod for PC Assetto Corsa (one of the very few car mods that is actually really damn good).
WOW, that's some REAL shit! WTF, Kunos. Only way I can drive with a pad is triggers for gas and X+B for gearshifts, that way you can even use A for clutching.
So the unchangeable default setup has gas on the right stick then, where you can't brake and rev-up at the same time?!?
seattle6418
Member
Yep, there´s no reason to go console. I´ll buy GT Sport because i already have a PS4, but Pcars and AC are miles and miles better on PC. I have a G25 and it works fine for me. No reason to upgrade whatsoever. Console makers seem to be destined to make racing sims fail on their plataforms.
Fortinbras
Member
Xbox One
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Vega/video/20928654
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Vega/video/20928673
Both clips were recorded during the same session.
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Vega/video/20928654
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Vega/video/20928673
Both clips were recorded during the same session.
Jamesways
Member
Just going by the reports here. I pray the gas isn't on the stick. I use x and b to shift like you do. Like most do I think. Never got on with shifting with bumpers in games.
OK after 2 hours of tweaking some PS4 controller settings.
Steering sensitivity 10%
Steering speed 0%
Steering deadzone 5%
Steering filter 30%
Steering gamma 200%
As for the rest of the game, what a mixed bag, some tracks look great (Barcelona for example) others look a bit dull, car models look fairly good.
Not noticed any framedrops yet, noticed the track map is running at about 15fps though.
Sounds I am not a huge fan off, while they are visceral they have a synthetic feel to them which breaks immersion a little.
Physics shine though, outside of the really good tyre physics there is a lot of other stuff going on under the hood, first game I've played where you can actually feel the aero model increasing downforce as you get faster, take the Alfa 155 down a straight and you can feel the aero package forcing the car into the track.
All in all, after all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the game, I am pleasantly surprised.
Steering sensitivity 10%
Steering speed 0%
Steering deadzone 5%
Steering filter 30%
Steering gamma 200%
As for the rest of the game, what a mixed bag, some tracks look great (Barcelona for example) others look a bit dull, car models look fairly good.
Not noticed any framedrops yet, noticed the track map is running at about 15fps though.
Sounds I am not a huge fan off, while they are visceral they have a synthetic feel to them which breaks immersion a little.
Physics shine though, outside of the really good tyre physics there is a lot of other stuff going on under the hood, first game I've played where you can actually feel the aero model increasing downforce as you get faster, take the Alfa 155 down a straight and you can feel the aero package forcing the car into the track.
All in all, after all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the game, I am pleasantly surprised.
Jamesways
Member
Is the gas on right trigger? Shift on bumpers?
I can't believe you can't change the setup.
Throttle & brake on triggers shifting on X and Square.
You can customise the setup (damn LS3 horn!) but there are some preset profiles.
I also think a lot of settings from the PC version are missing in the console versions.
Heres what I use on PC with an X1 pad, its pretty much stock except gamma (default is 2).
STEER_THUMB=LEFT
STEER_GAMMA=3.5
STEER_FILTER=0.75
SPEED_SENSITIVITY=0.2
STEER_DEADZONE=0.22
STEER_SPEED=0.2
Jamesways
Member
Perfect!
Cooldawn dig in those menus deeper, you can change buttons.
Also Why would need a horn button?
The settings are different on consoles.
To sound the horn ;-)
Edit : also one thing worth pointing out, some cars really suffer badly with understeer if you apply too much steering in a corner, so if you're struggling with understeer reduce the amount of stick you are using to steer around a corner.
Jamesways
Member
TylerDurden4321
Member
Horns but no "flash lights", it kept popping up until Stefano implemented it. I think he mostly was annoyed because they planned on having lights that actually work as a light source and then add night racing.
In other news, the console UI doesn't seem to come to PC. I think I'm gonna write a list with questions for you guys about how stuff works and is accessed in the console version.If we work out the differences we can bug Kunos with what is needed on console. Like FOV not lower than 50(wtf?), what kind of joke is that? No FOV options at all would have been less of a fuck you in my opinion.
PC guys are lucky they arent getting the console UI, it's barebones as fuck!
farmerboy
Member
So it looks like my friend and I will be returning the game :-(
I'd be relying on him to race with but he is bitterly disappointed with it as he also has the pc version and can't see himself playing ps4 over pc. And seriously, you can't even make a lobby? Did I hear right?
In the past I would have persevered (hell, pCARS really burnt all the patience I had) but I haven't the time to waste time while the devs get their shit together.
I'll be back when it's right though, really want to get to grips with what many see as the best driving model. And I do really want to experience that.
I'd be relying on him to race with but he is bitterly disappointed with it as he also has the pc version and can't see himself playing ps4 over pc. And seriously, you can't even make a lobby? Did I hear right?
In the past I would have persevered (hell, pCARS really burnt all the patience I had) but I haven't the time to waste time while the devs get their shit together.
I'll be back when it's right though, really want to get to grips with what many see as the best driving model. And I do really want to experience that.