Then you should know shirk is worse than murder.
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At least 148 including 132 children dead as Taliban storm Pakistan school
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Lord Morairty007
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Its time that the Pakistani government to get rid of ISI who supports that Taliban in the first place.
They fucking burned a teacher alive and behead children. That is so fucked up! These groups act they are in the stone age.
RIP.
They fucking burned a teacher alive and behead children. That is so fucked up! These groups act they are in the stone age.
RIP.
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Deleted member 17706
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I imagine a radical follower would say the same thing to you or anyone else who disagrees with them about the faith.
Ninja Of Chaos
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There is no valid view. And therefore their views are just as valid as yours because of it.
Terra Firma
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No, it is not about Islamic fundamentalism. If Pakistan was a caliphate (lol), these animals would have done the same thing. Replace the TTP with something like the Assam Maoists of India and you get the same thing if both were in the same circumstances. Not even a fundamentalist Muslim can justify murder of children. The Afghan Taliban's condemnation is more than enough proof of that.
How have the TTP justified this action? Have they provided any religious precedence? No. They have said that this attack was in revenge for the army's operation in Waziristan.
This is more of a nationalistic issue than it is a religious one. There are countless people in Pakistan that share the same exact religious beliefs as the TTP but do not support the TTP. There are countless scholars in Pakistan that share the same religious creed but have spoken against this violence. The Taliban of Afghanistan also share the same religious creed but have spoken against this violence.
Fundamentalism is found all around Pakistan. The TTP is an extremely tiny group compared to the other fundamentalist Muslim groups in Pakistan. If this was an issue of fundamentalism, you'd see more groups and people trying to justify this attack outside of the TTP.
Maninthemirror
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Let me educate you
now read it all, not selectively
Then read the commentary if you STILL dont understand and cannot interpret
http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=251®ion=E1
Fitnah does not mean Disbelief in the Quran in the way you believe in this verse it means way different:
Fitna (or fitnah, pl. fitan; Arabic: فتنة , فتن‎: "temptation, trial; sedition, civil strife") is an Arabic word with extensive connotations of trial, affliction, or distress. A word freighted with important historical implications, it is also widely used in modern Arabic.
Fitna (word) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(word)Wikipedia
The Shirk you mention applies to forcing Muslims to forego their faith by conflict
Maninthemirror
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According to Quran there is which means all Muslims believe there is a right and wrong view. you cannot apply your non-muslim logic as to how Quran is asking Muslims to read Quran
I was thinking the same, people with agendas appear regardless.
Ninja Of Chaos
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What? Are you serious?
So if I preface everything with "I am right", all the wrong things I say are right because I pointed out that it's the correct way to hear what I said? Holy shit dude. There is no such thing as muslim and non-muslim logic. There is only logic and it applies to everything. Just because muslim texts are illogical and unsound, it doesn't change that.
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That would actually explain a lot of his posts...
TheLostBigBoss
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You can't reason with him, he's insane.
Well I expected words like Taliban and Pakistan to draw certain crowds out. There are crazy people regardless of time and age.
Maninthemirror
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smh. the logic i applied was in killing a person. its either right or wrong to kill a person. Taliban see killing any person they dont agree with as right and most muslims view killing any person who is not attacking you directly as wrong.
actually I am trying to reason you out of believing Taliban view could be right when it is clearly wrong
DoktorEvil
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That's the way I view it frankly.
Maninthemirror
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cold and hard facts that you are dealing with scum
This image is making rounds among Pakistanis on facebook and twitter
TheLostBigBoss
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Keep making shit up, I'm sure it's gonna work out of you in the end.
Maninthemirror
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im glad you view that Taliban are abusing the faith now, lets move on with the topic
Lamel
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30505504
The eye-witness accounts are harrowing. Graphic images so go at your own peril.
There are apparently vigils being held across universities in the US.
The eye-witness accounts are harrowing. Graphic images so go at your own peril.
There are apparently vigils being held across universities in the US.
m_shortpants
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Exactly. Smh.
"'God is great,'" the Taliban militants shouted as they roared through the hallways of a school in Peshawar, Pakistan.
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Pakistan has seen plenty of violence, much of it involving militants based in provinces such as South Waziristan, North Waziristan and the Khyber Agency -- all restive regions in northwest Pakistan near Peshawar along its border with Afghanistan.
It is the home base the TTP, an organization that has sought to force its conservative version of Islam in Pakistan. The group has battled Pakistani troops and, on a number of occasions, attacked civilians as well.
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Pakistan has seen plenty of violence, much of it involving militants based in provinces such as South Waziristan, North Waziristan and the Khyber Agency -- all restive regions in northwest Pakistan near Peshawar along its border with Afghanistan.
It is the home base the TTP, an organization that has sought to force its conservative version of Islam in Pakistan. The group has battled Pakistani troops and, on a number of occasions, attacked civilians as well.
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speculawyer
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Because we all have to be told that it is just a random coincidence that a lot of people seem to interpret the Quran in a violent manner.
I think that just about the only people who can justify a mass killing of children are people who think they've got god's blessing to do so. Either that, or you are a serious sociopath.
Maninthemirror
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No father should watch their son die. This father crying over the body of his son
image from the school days before the attack
The Principle of the school who was burnt alive
Parents are not looking at grades but the names of the victims to see if their child is on there
image from the school days before the attack
The Principle of the school who was burnt alive
Parents are not looking at grades but the names of the victims to see if their child is on there
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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At work, local conservative radio is having a field day using this attack as an excuse not only for past use of torture, but further and more extreme usage. Also, Muslims and terrorists are being used interchangeably.
I don't get to choose what is on.
I don't get to choose what is on.
Morrigan Stark
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Horrifying. I have no words.
DoktorEvil
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According to the thread, they are interchangeable.
TheLostBigBoss
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Probably shouldn't be listening to conservative radio, their main purpose is to say the most horrible things to gain attention.
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Point out a single instance of that being said in this thread. Some of you folks seem to have a weird victim complex that apparently makes it OK to lash out and make outlandish statements that are complete fabrications so that you can further wallow in a sense of persecution.
Back on topic, though... those pictures, man... So sad.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I'm no big fan of most organized religions, but equating a whole religion with terror is dangerous. This should be obvious, but it needs to be stated when the lust for revenge rears its ugly head.
I hate that it's on, but I'm not in a position to be able to ask them to turn it off. Even though I disagree completely, I find myself getting angry along with the host. He's really good at manipulating emotions.
TheLostBigBoss
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Technically we are in the most peaceful time in modern human history, you just hear these horror stories now because of how connected we are.
Could you imagine if we had some type of instant communication during the crusades, and the images of mass slaughter when cities were taken?
That doesn't negate these horrible events, but I like to personally keep things in perspective in relation to our past it keeps me from going mad when I read these stories.
Maninthemirror
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DoktorEvil
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I'm not a Muslim. I don't "wallow in any sense of self persecution". Try again.
I also don't quote the qu'ran out of context to bolster my arguments. It's Not my religion/culture to critique.
The information that I gathered, aside from that lovely diatribe you and a couple others have posted on a tangent, is that there are regional nationalistic problems in a country predominantly Muslim. The only indication that this was a religious attack was an attacker praising god.
If the sects of afghani Taliban are denouncing this attack, wouldn't it stand to reason that there is something other than a holy book that caused this attack?
http://zoa.org/wp-content/uploads/2...cket_fired_from_Gaza_hit_Israel-1-300x197.jpg
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Actual event is already horrible enough without us resorting to the lowest common denominator of social media.
lupe121283
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...e_after_rocket_fired_from_Gaza_hit_Israel.jpg
Well, my post was late. sorry
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Obviously. I, and others, even posted exactly that in this very thread.
edit: damn at the Internet being the Internet with that picture. Some people are fucking nuts.
Maninthemirror
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a father and the boys siblings coming to see his injured brother
A parent consoles his son
MetalFearSolid
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Sad news they were children, I am lost for words like many, sickening act.
Maninthemirror
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...schoolchildren.html?via=mobile&source=twitter
dat religious excuse...oh wait
a nut is a nut is a nut.
dat religious excuse...oh wait
a nut is a nut is a nut.
No, that just means that a bunch of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists don't all agree with each other regarding what is acceptable based on their different interpretations. The Aghani Taliban and Pakistani Taliban have different leadership, and different goals. Hell Al Qaeda in Iraq (which morphed into ISIS) was too radical for Al Qaeda, yet ISIS are clearly religious, they established their own Caliphate for fucks sake. Or "would it stand to reason that there is something other than a holy book" that causes ISIS attacks?
Stereogatari
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Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has announced that Turkey will have a national day of mourning tomorrow for the incident in Pakistan.
It's a pretty big deal, in Turkish Culture the national days of mourning (known as "Yas" in Turkish) are usually reserved for national tragedies (like the mining disaster earlier this year, which had 3 days of mourning) so this is a nice gesture by the Turkish government.
When a Yas happens, many TV channels put a black tag symbol on their broadcast and newspaper add the symbol as well.
Also, though I doubt this will happen tomorrow, with the Turkish mining disaster popular TV shows didn't air new episodes during the week of the Yas.
There's more to all of this than what the Holy Book says. ISIS for instance are out to gain political power, they are comprised of a lot of Saddam's old guard.
It's a pretty big deal, in Turkish Culture the national days of mourning (known as "Yas" in Turkish) are usually reserved for national tragedies (like the mining disaster earlier this year, which had 3 days of mourning) so this is a nice gesture by the Turkish government.
When a Yas happens, many TV channels put a black tag symbol on their broadcast and newspaper add the symbol as well.
Also, though I doubt this will happen tomorrow, with the Turkish mining disaster popular TV shows didn't air new episodes during the week of the Yas.
There's more to all of this than what the Holy Book says. ISIS for instance are out to gain political power, they are comprised of a lot of Saddam's old guard.
Okay, just because there are other motivations like power doesn't mean religion isn't involved. By that logic the Crusades weren't religious because certain people and groups were also out to gain political power.
BeforeU
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So they identified each kid and their parents who helped Americans? Fucking idiots.
Either ways, this is some next level brainwashing.
Miles Quaritch
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Newsnight reporting that Imran Khan is refusing to condemn the Taliban for the attack, which is pretty damn depressing.
They also had what sounded like an excerpt from the Taliban. Seemed pretty clear it was a response to attacks by the Army. Claims of the army slaughtering 600 people from their tribes and throwing their bodies into sacks from the Taliban.
I'm sure this is old news, but I thought I'd share anyway.
They also had what sounded like an excerpt from the Taliban. Seemed pretty clear it was a response to attacks by the Army. Claims of the army slaughtering 600 people from their tribes and throwing their bodies into sacks from the Taliban.
I'm sure this is old news, but I thought I'd share anyway.
Dreams-Visions
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image from the school days before the attack
The Principle of the school who was burnt alive
Bushel of onions officially sliced at Dreams' residence. Babies.
What is the mind of a man that can hurt babies and educators. Come the fuck on, humans.
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