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AusGAF 8 - Worksafe Wankers
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reptilescorpio
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DEAD MAN I DEMAND YOU MAKE A THREAD IN OFF TOPIC ABOUT THIS
HOW DARE WE BE LUMPED IN WITH THE AMERICANS
WE ONLY DISLIKE SMALL BREASTS I THOUGHT
HOW DARE WE BE LUMPED IN WITH THE AMERICANS
WE ONLY DISLIKE SMALL BREASTS I THOUGHT
reptilescorpio
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I see it has also disabled Instant Predictions when you start to type anything sexual
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A true Platinum fan would know better than to say something so silly. It means you missed out on Infinite Space by inference.
I didn't say that DS gamers were kiddy, only Wii U ones. Why would you be so insulting to all those DS owners?
reptilescorpio
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Infinite Space was brutal. Or I just sucked at it. Probably both. 
Would buy a sequel though!
Would buy a sequel though!
Infinite Space was brutal. Or I just sucked at it. Probably both.
Would buy a sequel though!
Definitely give it another try when you can. It's highly enjoyable for such an oft-overlooked game.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
First they came for the itty bitty titty committe and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a small breast aficionado.
Making a topic, want to see if this is the way it works everywhere now.
pieatorium
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pushed back to q2 along with pikman and nearly everything else that was supposed to be q1
shanshan310
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Unless that someone's beliefs infringe on other people, there's really no reason to challenge their beliefs. It can be invasive and even harmful, especially in circumstances where those beliefs are a coping mechanism for grief. I've seen idiots trying to follow Dawkins and seem to think that "challenging beliefs" equates to picking fights with people who want no fight. In the end though, its really not your business if people believe something else.
I started watching Archer a few days ago. Its seriously fantastic.Decided to watch Archer instead
Best Archer ever
Also maybe I drank this scotch too quick?
Do you have safe search turned on?
oooh, did you go to the Asia Pacific Triennials? I've been meaning to get over to GOMA, since the last one was really good.
reptilescorpio
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I for one welcome our Microsoft overlords.
Whats the price on that Nokia 920 at the moment? I hear it is quite a good phone!
Safe Search? LULZ
This is the internet. I embrace it's wildness in all it's glory!
Archer is the only cartoon-ish thing I still follow. I've even stopped watching South Park since they got too "hey, what's the flavour of the day?"
Whats the price on that Nokia 920 at the moment? I hear it is quite a good phone!
Safe Search? LULZ
This is the internet. I embrace it's wildness in all it's glory!
Archer is the only cartoon-ish thing I still follow. I've even stopped watching South Park since they got too "hey, what's the flavour of the day?"
shanshan310
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Thanks for ruining the page borders near the top of a new page, Markot
reptilescorpio
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I should have listened to you Stackboy, SSX is fucking incredible. Such a fantastic follow up to the IP. Just pure joy.
Even when I get my ass handed to me my face is covered in a shit eating grin and I am happy to replay again and again.
Once you get to grips with everything it is really hard to fault the gameplay. Controls are perfect. Music is fantastic!
EDIT: 1440x900 Shan?
Even when I get my ass handed to me my face is covered in a shit eating grin and I am happy to replay again and again.
Once you get to grips with everything it is really hard to fault the gameplay. Controls are perfect. Music is fantastic!
EDIT: 1440x900 Shan?
Well if that's (bolded) the threshold, then all religions are ripe to be challenged.
Beyond that, there is nothing wrong with a contest or discussion of ideas. I already outlined it in a context of being civil, so I dont quite see what the problem would be. Again, you are blaming Dawkins for things he hasnt done.
Primary colours dont make a game kiddy.
As shan alluded to, it is afforded a bit of protection because people use it as a grief/coping mechanism. I'd argue its not entirely healthy but then not everyone is and some stories are helpful. I won't argue that point, nor would I try and convince someone that the only afterlife their dearly departed is experiencing is a worm's digestive tract.
But the same thoughtshield affords all sorts of dangerous ideas equal amounts of protection (homophobia, discrimination against all out-groups, anti-science propaganda and patriarchal dominance) and apparently it is rude to challenge those ideas?
Please.
bodyboarder
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If the tennis wasn't still going I'd be playing it now. Great game.
shanshan310
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All religions? Really? There is nothing inherently wrong with believing in a higher power. Religious institutions are a different matter, but individuals themselves aren't necessarily doing anything wrong. I've met many 'religious people' (a pretty vague term tbh) who, for example, have no problem with gay marriage, and many non religious people who are completely against it. I guess I just don't see what's wrong with people holding different views.
I wasn't blaming him for anything (have I before?). I'm just saying some people I've met have idolized him and ended up being incredibly offensive. Dawkins himself I'll admit I'm not too keen on. He made some very good points when I saw him on qanda, but I do think he's also pretty obnoxious sometimes.
It depends on the circumstances obviously. You're putting words in my mouth. All of those things effect other people, and I definitely don't agree with letting shit like that slide. Is the belief that a big old man watches over you and you go live with him when you die necessarily harmful? I don't believe it is.
reptilescorpio
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Yeah my years on this earth has solidified my belief that religion is definitely a crutch for the majority of people in that boat. Which makes me less inclined to pick holes in their discussions unless they start to demean me.
Crapitalism
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Well it's that time of year again...
BRING ON THE GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT NATIONALISM !!!!!!!!!
BRING ON THE GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT NATIONALISM !!!!!!!!!
Now that the GIS crisis of 2013 is resolved I can resume normal gaffing.
The difficulty is that people that ascribe to the same set of beliefs will not keep to their own business. Family first type Christians make it very difficult to not discuss Christianity in a way that will force people to defend themselves.
The difficulty is that people that ascribe to the same set of beliefs will not keep to their own business. Family first type Christians make it very difficult to not discuss Christianity in a way that will force people to defend themselves.
Athiesm's a view
Bolded: why not? They are ideas ripe to be questioned. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If one cares to make an effort for appearances, take the time to make a logical argument. I know I have done so when debating with intelligent design advocates.
Nothing wrong with people holding views. Everything wrong with people holding religious views and having them imposed on society where people of multiple and no faiths exist.
And yes, people do do things wrong. They run for Katter's Australian Party equating homosexuality to pedophilia. They run gay conversion courses. They harras women on the way to abortion clinics. They monopolise education boards in public schools and prevent ethics classes from being taught instead of fundamentalist christian beliefs and how Hossam the Muslim friend of little Johnny will go to hell if he doesn't open his heart to jesus christ.
I said, in the beginning, that there is nothing wrong with having open, honest and critical debate. Keep it civil, keep it as a contest of ideas, and if you can't do that then you shouldnt be talking to anyone anyway. I have had, literally, two hour long discussions on the doorstep with JWs about what they believe and what I understand, and it went nowhere other than stating why we believed what we did, pointing out apparent contradictions in each others argument, and at the end of it we shook hands and went our way.
I think the problem is you seem to assume everything need be hostile and adversarial. This is one topic where it absolutely can and should be adversarial, but only adversarial between ideas. Not people.
"Idiots trying to follow Dawkins" is typically lazy invective used to apportion blame to him for things he does not do. Atheism is not a creed, church or organisation. He is a biologist-slash-philosopher.
Religion meanwhile is a creed (or group of), and people following specific belief sets can be frequently harmful. The catholic church's stance on contraception is a notable one. The anti-homosexual societal pressure (no doubt contributing to too many suicides) is another.
Personal belief is fine, but when it has the power for societal impacts, it absolutely MUST be held to account.
I'm doing no such thing. I'm pointing out that your criticism of Dawkins is due to nothing he has done, and is more to do with the actions of people who agree with some of his ideas. Obviously they haven't seen or read enough of him, because he is painstakingly polite.
He can be seen as obnoxious by some as he doesn't let people get away with espousing and vocalising utter nonsense. The constant hypocrisy and cherry-picking he has to deal with regularly would be enough to drive any other rational person to their limits.
In many of the situations I have seen him in, he has demonstrated a great deal of restraint and patience. Watch his interview with Wendy Wright and tell me you wouldn't want to throttle the woman within 5 minutes of its commencement.
On numerous occasions he has said that people having faith because it makes them feel good is one thing. Taking the teachings as an absolute truth is another thing entirely. Those who would believe that the Universe revolves around the Earth or that the Earth is flat would be challenged, even ridiculed today. Why should religious beliefs be any different?
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Com'on Federer!!!
shanshan310
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That's true. When people are using their religion as an excuse to be assholes it is a problem.
People get defensive when you call them/ what they believe dumb or false. But its hard to challenge someone's beliefs without them feeling that way which does make discussion difficult sometimes.
The problem is its often hard to distinguish the two, and an attack on someone's beliefs and lifestyle is often taken personally. I would also like to see these things debated, but there's a difference between that and harassing individuals who aren't doing anything harmful. What exactly is wrong with being religious?
Did I ever say it was? I did not mean to put blame on him. I suppose that's just where my thought stream lead when you mentioned Dawkins. Apologies.
I agree. I have never said that I disagree.
Read what I quoted. You were putting words in my mouth, and again in your most recent post insinuated a whole load of stuff that I don't actually agree with.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Fuck.
bodyboarder
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Yep.
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You said this:
I said this:
That's a pretty accurate representation of what you said (worms aside), all I did was extend the argument to say that my concern is the protection religion gets (in part for being a coping tool for some people) allows some of its more harmful traits to get a free ride.
As you said in the same breath
and I pointed out that it is often the case religious beliefs do start to impact on the lives of others.
There is no actual point of dispute here between what you posted or what I posted, except to say that I did not put words in your mouth. QED.
CrazedProfessional
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That was some fine ass Tennis.
Some fine fine ass.
Poor Rodger, the Curse of Andre Agassi will drag him down to Davey Jones Locker. He's still pretty damn bitching for a 31 year old. If he has another golden era he'll become some sort of immortal guardian of grand slams and play till his grave.
In a Gandalf sort of manner.
Some fine fine ass.
Poor Rodger, the Curse of Andre Agassi will drag him down to Davey Jones Locker. He's still pretty damn bitching for a 31 year old. If he has another golden era he'll become some sort of immortal guardian of grand slams and play till his grave.
In a Gandalf sort of manner.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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shanshan310
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I knooooooow
I just think everyone should be free to live their lives the way they see fit. Of course beliefs should be questioned if it leads to hatred and fear. Challenging someone over beliefs that cannot be proven either way is a bit more problematic than challenging someone over things that are proven false.
Funny you didn't quote the part I was actually referring to:
But (to repeat an example) a typical argument goes:
"I dont like gays they are the same as pedos" (I'm sure thats a direct quote of many bumpkins)
"How dare you say such a thing"
"ITS WHAT I BELIEVE YOU CANT TELL ME IM WRONG"
What can you possibly do to demonstrate to someone of that mindset that their worldview is not only wrong, but harmful?
Funny, neither did you. edit: oh, you did, but not at time of posting.
In any case it should be clear the second paragraph was speaking generally. If you thought it was accusing you of that mindset, I apologise.
shanshan310
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I don't know! Is that a rhetorical question?
That doesn't make any sense! I give up. I'm not keen on shitting up the thread further.
That's true. But gods or unicorns or kappas, if it makes them happy and doesn't hurt anyone I don't really care what they believe in.
I can't say that I don't care. If it is a belief system with a history hateful beliefs and making things worse for people because they don't follow the same beliefs, then I care a lot. I care enough to challenge those people and their beliefs. Sometimes I may upset someone else who holds a different version of those beliefs. That is just too bad. I don't go around to funerals and talk about god being a made up entity, that would be stupid. But because mainstream religious belief has been something that you don't need to defend for so long it is a shock to the system when you have to. I understand that. But the sooner they get used to the idea that personal belief that impacts others needs to be discussed and justified the sooner we can get past the bollocks with Christians feeling like they are under attack, when all that is really happening is most of the time they get asked 'why' and at worst get treated as they have treated other religions.
I see that turned into a rant, sorry. It wasn't directed to you, it was just in reply to you. But yeah, if what someone believes has no impact on me or society or the choices that people are able to make then I don't mind at all what they believe. But not many religions are like that. Many people subscribe to weak or watered down versions of those religions though. They often have beliefs that would not impact anyone else, but their larger organisation does so the feel attacked even though they are not the target.
People just need to get used to the fact that since religious views impact on society, and there is a plurality of religions, there will need to be debate, at the very least, about what the proper role for religion is.
You are not shitting up the thread. If you want to stop because you are getting piled on (sorry about that) that is understandable, but you are not thread shitting.
shanshan310
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CrazedProfessional
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Hitchens is far more entertaining than Dawkins, one minute he'd say some lovely poetic truth about humanity then turn to a crowd the next day and tell them that we should kill all Muslims.
Such an adorable fellow, really.
Such an adorable fellow, really.
I'm not going to accept an apology as none is needed. Put it down to the limits of text and add this context to my posts when reading them:
If it comes across as angry, its aimed at religion.
If it comes across as a bad attempt at a joke, or anything neutral or nicer, its aimed at specific people.
shanshan310
Member
I just want everyone to be nice to one another
Ideally it should be a private thing, and nothing more. I suppose that's not very realistic though huh.
reptilescorpio
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Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn Stackboy some of your scores/times will have to wait until this boarder chick levels up a bit. Plus I keep running into trees while button mashing. :/
Debate is good! Discussions is the savior of man kind. If we can't talk this stuff out people will resort to violence, which never sorts anything out.
Mannnnnnnnnnnnn that would be awesome. But instead I gotta defend myself to people in public every now and then or tell them that gays are alright. I like parts of religion, my son is growing up Uniting despite me being an atheist, just have to cherry pick the positive stuff from the bigotry. He is much more developed as a child from his interactions through religious activities than if I kept him at home.
Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Anathema is a pretty great band. Am I correct in remembering that someone in here saw them this year?
YOU'RE NOT RUINING THE THREAD
Debate is good! Discussions is the savior of man kind. If we can't talk this stuff out people will resort to violence, which never sorts anything out.
Mannnnnnnnnnnnn that would be awesome. But instead I gotta defend myself to people in public every now and then or tell them that gays are alright. I like parts of religion, my son is growing up Uniting despite me being an atheist, just have to cherry pick the positive stuff from the bigotry. He is much more developed as a child from his interactions through religious activities than if I kept him at home.
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