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Can't or shouldn't? Do studios frequently hire well known reviewers to write mock reviews?
codswallop
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I too like the idea of add-on BC. Don't want it? The system is cheaper. Want it? It's there. Your old system breaks? Here's a cheaper option.
I almost never use BC so to me it's a better way forward. I wonder whether (or more importantly, how long) the supposed device would play XBLA or XBLIG or on demand games though? Those are my biggest concerns with our all-digital future.
Though I suppose anyone found using "prior consultants" to provide reviews (as happened recently) would be looked upon unfavourably.
I almost never use BC so to me it's a better way forward. I wonder whether (or more importantly, how long) the supposed device would play XBLA or XBLIG or on demand games though? Those are my biggest concerns with our all-digital future.
The article, IIRC, says they "morally shouldn't". Although if they're already taking money for a mock review that's shredded I don't think they're worried about that.
Though I suppose anyone found using "prior consultants" to provide reviews (as happened recently) would be looked upon unfavourably.
reptilescorpio
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The Xbox mini is digital only. No disc drive. So it plays your XBLA games as they won't be compatible with Durango going by rumours. In order to play 360 retail games you need a mini AND a Durango I guess.
I would expect can't. The publication wouldn't accept it knowing that they have a conflict of interest (game developer gave them money) and the publisher then has the quandry of one score being higher than it would have been without the mock review (which could have cost Bethesda $1 million in the case of New Vegas).
You wouldn't pay someone to do a review of something they helped make if you were running a media outlet would you?
I would expect can't. The publication wouldn't accept it knowing that they have a conflict of interest (game developer gave them money) and the publisher then has the quandry of one score being higher than it would have been without the mock review (which could have cost Bethesda $1 million in the case of New Vegas).
You wouldn't pay someone to do a review of something they helped make if you were running a media outlet would you?
reptilescorpio
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As much as I hate the influence of Metacritic I agree it shouldn't tell us the weightings or change review scores after the initial review.
The first is just too messy and you can vaguely tell it is the big boys that get the strongest weighting any way.
The second means outlets should do the fucking review correctly the first time, don't rush it out. Test Sim City out once it is released and THEN release the review FFS. If you get a freelancer to do a review, get someone with knowledge of the game to proofread it FFS.
Sorry about that, I thought I included it but I was thinking of the first quote
The first is just too messy and you can vaguely tell it is the big boys that get the strongest weighting any way.
The second means outlets should do the fucking review correctly the first time, don't rush it out. Test Sim City out once it is released and THEN release the review FFS. If you get a freelancer to do a review, get someone with knowledge of the game to proofread it FFS.
Sorry about that, I thought I included it but I was thinking of the first quote
dishwasherlove
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LTTP but I started the free copy of The Darkness 2 that I got from GMG with BioShock Infinite and it's actually really good. Digging the comic book visuals too.
reptilescorpio
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Metacritic should be taken a little more lightly by publishers, it is still useful but not a hard and fast ruling on the quality of a game due to the subjective nature.
The producers at publishers should play more games damn it!
One of the best games of last year. I really should do a co-op run at some point.
(same with Far Cry 3 but that is just for the cheevos, need to find a free 1 month gold code somewhere)
The producers at publishers should play more games damn it!
One of the best games of last year. I really should do a co-op run at some point.
(same with Far Cry 3 but that is just for the cheevos, need to find a free 1 month gold code somewhere)
bodyboarder
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BC as an add on is good with me, I'm flat out replaying games I have recently bought (fighters/fps excluded).
Yeah, it's an incredibly useful tool for consumers, but the fact that publishers are using it as a way to set goals for a game in development is insane. Especially when they're using it for determining bonuses and things like that. You can't incentivise good work when your metric is something as unpredictable as subjective quality. Bonuses are a way of rewarding employees who helped make the company money. Moving bonus goals away from sales figures is just a way to fuck over hard working people.
From what I've heard, it sounds like a US phenomenon. In Australia, they generally cut out the middle man and just hire the reviewers as PR.
reptilescorpio
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Isn't that what happened with Choc? He started out in media didn't he.
Nice! I noticed JB have some great prices on instruments. Monterey MGE-14BK Electric Guitar for $96, no idea on that brand quality though. I really need to pick up an electric though to get back into it. Bass playing at night really isn't good when living in town
Nice! I noticed JB have some great prices on instruments. Monterey MGE-14BK Electric Guitar for $96, no idea on that brand quality though. I really need to pick up an electric though to get back into it. Bass playing at night really isn't good when living in town
reptilescorpio
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Same here! Which explains all my NeoGAF posting today lol
Kebab Friday again? Sure, why not!
Also, paging Shaneus
Nice! I noticed JB have some great prices on instruments. Monterey MGE-14BK Electric Guitar for $96, no idea on that brand quality though. I really need to pick up an electric though to get back into it. Bass playing at night really isn't good when living in town
Yeah, they have some pretty crazy prices on PRS guitars from time to time. I wouldn't buy a learner guitar without trying it first and seeing what you think about it, if it's comfortable etc. If I was to recommend a beginner electric, it would probably be one of the higher end Squiers, but they start around $300. Like one of these.
Planet_JASE
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Hmmmm, if I had to chose between the title of "Men's Room Madness" or the developer being ex-Sony Liverpool people as to the reason why you think Shaneus would be interested...
I'm picking the name.
Nice Jag Fredescu, love that grain peeking through man, looks wicked. Hows it sound with the P90s?
I didn't even know JB sold axes let alone PRS lol. Check this one:
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/musical-in...orina-electric-guitar-with-gig-bag-sku-99770/
Awesome value. I find PRs necks a little chunky and over-finished for my liking but there's no denying their quality.
Are you in Sydney by any chance? I should know that already, I must have forgotten. If you're in Sydney I've got a very tidy Squier strat kicking around that you can have for $100 if you want. I bought it to play at work in downtime but I don't work out of hours as much as I used to now.
Nice! I noticed JB have some great prices on instruments. Monterey MGE-14BK Electric Guitar for $96, no idea on that brand quality though. I really need to pick up an electric though to get back into it. Bass playing at night really isn't good when living in town
I didn't even know JB sold axes let alone PRS lol. Check this one:
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/musical-in...orina-electric-guitar-with-gig-bag-sku-99770/
Awesome value. I find PRs necks a little chunky and over-finished for my liking but there's no denying their quality.
Are you in Sydney by any chance? I should know that already, I must have forgotten. If you're in Sydney I've got a very tidy Squier strat kicking around that you can have for $100 if you want. I bought it to play at work in downtime but I don't work out of hours as much as I used to now.
That's... um... weird. No allusions to what sort of game it is? Sounds like something that Suda would put out.
I was nice to you last week, damnit
Ah crap, kebab friday. I forgot all about another food item for Friday. Maybe it should be something different.
Eat what you want friday today and then next week ... Something. Of course if people want to go kebabs go nuts!
reptilescorpio
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WOW that got destroyed :/
I live out south west Victoria sadly. My brother-in-law has a few extra guitars so I will end up borrowing one of his, thanks for the offer though!
Won't be a racing game going by previous interviews.
Also what have done for him lately? Got him that danish? That's right, nothin'!
Man they look delicious, my old room mate bought a Squier not too long ago and he loves them. I'm moderately competent on the guitar but haven't touched one in probably 5 years now so I'm mostly interesting in how I go in the new family setting with it. If it feels like a good fit and won't get ignored I'll look at saving up for a huggable one.
Yeah I was looking at that one too!
I live out south west Victoria sadly. My brother-in-law has a few extra guitars so I will end up borrowing one of his, thanks for the offer though!
That's... um... weird. No allusions to what sort of game it is? Sounds like something that Suda would put out.
I was nice to you last week, damnit
Won't be a racing game going by previous interviews.
Also what have done for him lately? Got him that danish? That's right, nothin'!
Jesus fuck, that's horribleGoddam at that crash in Brisbane this morning, Cabbie just died.
Cabs are orange up that way, I guess?Jesus fuck, that's horrible
Yeah, and they call them...Yellow Cabs.
Close, it's a Jazzmaster. To be fair, I think they have pretty much the same body and it's only the switches (and scale length) that are different, and this model has the switches removed completely. The pickups are these: http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/specialized/jazzmaster/1103435_36_anti/ . I'm still getting used to the sound, it's pretty different from my strat. The bridge position is amazing. Trebly but still meaty.
It probably wasn't quite that bad, although still pretty fucking horrific.
The roof and doors would've been cut off by the jaws of life.
Oh yeah it is a Jazzmaster! Lol almost forgot about them. I saw it and thought, well it's not a Mustang so it must be some kind of new Jag. Duh.
Those pups look rad from the specs. I've got a set of P90s in my Les Paul 50s tribute but damn they hum a lot with gain, way more hum than the single coils in my Strat, I keep meaning to upgrade them with some noiseless or something but I don't play it a lot anyway so I'll live with it for now.
Those pups look rad from the specs. I've got a set of P90s in my Les Paul 50s tribute but damn they hum a lot with gain, way more hum than the single coils in my Strat, I keep meaning to upgrade them with some noiseless or something but I don't play it a lot anyway so I'll live with it for now.
I like that they will take hotel rooms and plane tickets, but draw the line at cash :/
reptilescorpio
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Holy shit, what is in the water over at Capy this week?!?
Also the immediate backlash to Infinite is delicious. Can't wait for them to struggle to explain their thinking in 12 months time. This is one of the best fly-off-the-handle ones I have read. Shame as Golding has written one or two decent pieces in the past.
Also the immediate backlash to Infinite is delicious. Can't wait for them to struggle to explain their thinking in 12 months time. This is one of the best fly-off-the-handle ones I have read. Shame as Golding has written one or two decent pieces in the past.
bodyboarder
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Nice! I noticed JB have some great prices on instruments. Monterey MGE-14BK Electric Guitar for $96, no idea on that brand quality though. I really need to pick up an electric though to get back into it. Bass playing at night really isn't good when living in town
I've always wanted an electric guitar, $100 is mighty tempting.
codswallop
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I posted this comparison in the thread, it's a better comparison IMO. The idea is very similar (random channel changing, 80s cartoon theme), but it's hardly original.
? Is it not a brilliant game now? I haven't played it.
It's very easy to think of services as being 'part of the job'. Money, more difficult to rationalize.
The extracts I read seemed to be a reasonable critique, but I didn't read the whole article because I haven't played Infinite yet.
Did you mean to link to page 2? Is that page 2 @ 50pp or 100? Edit: I remember now, have seen both trailers. If they're talking about knocking off the concept for watching a VHS video, they should have a good look at Retro City Rampage.
Also, backlash to Infinite... is that re: violence/shooting, or something else? Why would people explain said backlash in 12 months?
Apparently some people even hate the idea of Bioshock Infinite being a shooter. What genre should it be then? Maybe these people would prefer it not even be a game. It's not often we get a decent story and themes in games after all, maybe it just feels unnatural to have quality writing contrasted with standard video game stuff like big violence.
reptilescorpio
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Similar idea that has been used tons of times lately. Hell, lots of Italo music contains that stuff in their clips since it is a cliche at this point.
THIS GAME IS NOT THE GAME I WANT IT TO BE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE for the most part.
I have read a few interesting critique of the game (strangely enough mostly on GAF) but for the most part a lot of media outlets are running the usual THIS GAME IS TOO FOCUSED ON BEING AN FPS IT SHOULD BE DEAR ESTHER 2 line.
It has flaws but most of the complaints are that it is an Irrational Games game. It fits into their formula of development since all the way back to System Shock 2. The fact that it is named Bioshock and is a FPS should have set that expectation but no, everyone thought it would be an intellectual masterpiece.
I must have missed the press release from Levine saying, BREAKING: INFINITE WILL GO INTO HEAVY DETAIL ABOUT HEAVY SHIT RATHER THAN JUST TOUCH ON SEVERAL THEMES AS THIS IS A BOOK, NOT A VIDEO GAME
I'll quote a few that were funny
Were the white people hanging out with the Vox Populi hypnotised or something then?
(Citation required please, most discussion from Irrational pre-release was about the Elizabeth-Booker connection)
Oh shit! I forgot every second of a video game should be one or the other!
Subtle or not subtle!
This is the same stupid reaction that Spec Ops The Line got. Why can't you be on the nose at any point? Why does it have to be a hard and fast rule that your game has subtle or heavy handed depth?
In the context of the moment it seems an insane reaction. The moment is there to show all is not well, that this place is not as magical as the walk to the park made it seem. There is another side to this place. It also works very well to establish Booker's reputation in that world, after that moment (regardless of your decision) you learn more about the person you are moving around the game. I also felt the moment was grey, rather than black and white as quoted above, it isn't a for/against moment.
In 12 months time plenty of critical analysis will be coming out that has actually required some time and effort to think through, rather than jumping to conclusions to get easy hits as close to the release of the game as possible.
reptilescorpio
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This is the Infinite tweet from another person at Capy that people were talking about too.
The follow up was hilarious too. Not sure what moron would think that a video game would miraculously fix all the industries problems.
The follow up was hilarious too. Not sure what moron would think that a video game would miraculously fix all the industries problems.
dishwasherlove
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Infinite is an interesting game but I can't see myself replaying it anytime. Same goes for BioShock and BioShock 2. Dishonored on the other hand.
I don't think opinions against the hive mind should be disregarded but when its the typical knee jerk reaction... its the same shitty cycle for any big AAA release these days. Hype, acclaim, edgy haters, fake controversy, rinse repeat
I don't think opinions against the hive mind should be disregarded but when its the typical knee jerk reaction... its the same shitty cycle for any big AAA release these days. Hype, acclaim, edgy haters, fake controversy, rinse repeat
shanshan310
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Maaan. But I just cooked some pork buns! Next week I guess.
I didn't mind it being a shooter, but I was kind of frustrated at the way it switched back and forth between story and "stop, wait! Shoot some doodes".
Oh. Those people. I didn't really enjoy Bioshock, so I didn't play 2, and probably won't play Infinite. But why in the hell should a particular game be a certain way? It's normal to want certain types of games, but it's not real useful to criticise a game for not being something it isn't trying to be.
Unrelated, but after much feedback from PCGAF over in the new pc thread, this is what I have now. I feel like it's gone a bit beyond what I wanted, but it's still under 1600 so I think I'm okay with it.
Better to criticise the hailers in this case.
Criticise the people hailing it, or the hailing itself. You can't expect a dev to be responsible for wrong thinking by other people.
Yeah, you can't, but you can avoid criticising the game for not being something it is not trying to be. Reference is not criticism.
You can't, but you don't need to, do you?
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