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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?

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Wait wait wait, Infrastructure involves more than just roads? I better tell Joe!

If anything newer than roads could be infrastructure then the NBN might be infrastructure and that would be terrible. It might also mean there's some publicly held infrastructure assets it might be a bad idea to privatize and that would also be terrible.
 

markot

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Those 'truth' ometers are such a load of shit.

Its not illegal, theyre not illegal. Nothing they do is illegal because they are seeking asylum.
 

wonzo

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Did not expect more seats in Queensland of all places.
The swings seen in the seat based robo polling have been very out of wack when compared to state/nationwide polling so it's safe to say Labor will most likely pick up a couple of seats (depending on preferences.)
hmmm, I wonder if Labor hitting 70 is a possibility.
It'd be a real stretch, I'm expecting 64-67 tomorrow.
I find it interesting that despite this, Rudd is still trailing in the polls for Griffith. Labor seems likely to win Brisbane too for some reason so Queensland is very unpredictable when it comes to saying who wins and who loses. Though, LNP losses are far more likely due to uh, the very very very thin margins in some of those seats. If Palmer picks up some HoR seats I will laugh hard.
I really do doubt Rudd will lose his seat (it'd be funny if he pulled a howard tho). Palmer has a surprisingly modest chance of picking up the seat of Fairfax though.
I don't mean to go around handing out false hope, but I thought this was interesting: Labor gains ground on Coalition, says new mobile-only poll
Sounds more like an outlier tbqh. Doesn't really matter as this circus will all be over tomorrow.
Mobile and internet polls will generally give an inflated values to Labor and the Greens just like landline polls will lean conservative , unless they are corrected. So I wouldn't place any more hope on that than you place on the idea that the landline polls are misleading.
Yeah, any decent polling tends to weigh out the biases caused by the way it's done. The only exception being Face-to-face polling which is always a crock of shite.
 
The swings seen in the seat based robo polling have been very out of wack when compared to state/nationwide polling so it's safe to say Labor will most likely pick up a couple of seats (depending on preferences.)

Apparently the local polling actually lists all Candidates and Parties explicitly while the state/nation ones do Major Parties then ask for specifics if Other is specified. Given that QLD is tending to go for Other this election that'll probably cause some weird stuff.

The senate is going to be a mess though, because of a lot of Queenslanders voting for minor parties and their preference deals being a web of horse trading rather than any kind of ideology if this keeps up then we're going to have a future election where analysis will show people successfully elected a Senator who's positions are exactly the opposite to what they voted for.
 

wonzo

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Apparently Channel 10 also has a Morgan Poll showing a late swing back to Labor so maybe the Guardian poll wasn't an outlier (unless it's another crappy face-to-face poll then l o ll.)

Apparently the local polling actually lists all Candidates and Parties explicitly while the state/nation ones do Major Parties then ask for specifics if Other is specified. Given that QLD is tending to go for Other this election that'll probably cause some weird stuff.

The senate is going to be a mess though, because of a lot of Queenslanders voting for minor parties and their preference deals being a web of horse trading rather than any kind of ideology if this keeps up then we're going to have a future election where analysis will show people successfully elected a Senator who's positions are exactly the opposite to what they voted for.
Optional above-the-line preferential voting would weed out most of this stuff but until that happens, it's gonna be a real mess for elections to come.
 
Apparently Channel 10 also has a Morgan Poll showing a late swing back to Labor so maybe the Guardian poll wasn't an outlier (unless it's another crappy face-to-face poll then l o ll.)


Optional above-the-line preferential voting would weed out most of this stuff but until that happens, it's gonna be a real mess for elections to come.

Huh. So what you're saying is that just maybe the LNP won't have a pet senate. I'll take that.
 

Jintor

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I found it (Australian Capital Television v Commonwealth), but I obviously misremembered it. It's about restrictions on political advertising on television and radio during certain times not monetary contributions. Having said that our implied freedom of political speech does leave the door open for some horrible Citizens United esque decision in the future.

Walk me through this wouldya?

I mean... let me see... given how limited political communications can be yoked under other laws (hell, even delegated legislation atm), how much worse could it be than current electioneering rights?
 

wonzo

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A More Normal Bird

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So about a month ago I said this:
Me said:
I'm of the opinion that whoever wins will be unlikely to get much more than 80 seats.

LOL. Looking more like 90-60 now.
 

DrSlek

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Well I just carefully explained things to my brother and swung his vote brother back to Greens/Labor from the PUP.

I feel like I've done a good deed.
 

Fredescu

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Out of interest, what were his reasons for voting PUP? I've seen polls putting him at 10%+ in QLD. I had no idea he was that popular.
 

bomma_man

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Walk me through this wouldya?

I mean... let me see... given how limited political communications can be yoked under other laws (hell, even delegated legislation atm), how much worse could it be than current electioneering rights?

I mean it's not particularly likely or anything but the court could feasibly use the same (terrible) reasoning as SCOTUS did. It would take a bench of extremists though.

Speaking of which, how many court positions is Abbott going to be able to fill?
 
Out of interest, what were his reasons for voting PUP? I've seen polls putting him at 10%+ in QLD. I had no idea he was that popular.

I think it is a great thing. If it wasn't for Palmer god only knows who that 10% would be voting for.

Dinosaurs and giant ships. I'll take over the alternatives any day.
 

DrSlek

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Out of interest, what were his reasons for voting PUP? I've seen polls putting him at 10%+ in QLD. I had no idea he was that popular.

He seemed to think Clive has a sound political and economic mind, and loves how crazy he is in all of he television appearances (chinese spies and such).
 

Dead Man

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I found it (Australian Capital Television v Commonwealth), but I obviously misremembered it. It's about restrictions on political advertising on television and radio during certain times not monetary contributions. Having said that our implied freedom of political speech does leave the door open for some horrible Citizens United esque decision in the future.

Ah, a glimmer of hope then, I'll take it :)
 

Jintor

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I mean it's not particularly likely or anything but the court could feasibly use the same (terrible) reasoning as SCOTUS did. It would take a bench of extremists though.

Speaking of which, how many court positions is Abbott going to be able to fill?

Let's see... 3 year Abbott gov unless a double dissolution goes horribly wrong... Justices retire at 70... looks like Hayne and Crennan JJ are up for retirement in 2015, and then next is French CJ in 2017.
 
He seemed to think Clive has a sound political and economic mind, and loves how crazy he is in all of he television appearances (chinese spies and such).

The economic stuff he's been putting on TV doesn't suggest he has a sound grasp of maths or the tax system, let alone the economy. I personally don't find his political policies noxious but he's got absolutely nothing concerning implementation or funding for them. Given that he's a mining magnate , and his economic principles seem to lean libertarian, I'm going to bet he's not proposing anything as socialist as increasing taxes on the rich (or a luxury tax), so I'm seeing only dark days there.
 

Fredescu

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Tony Abbott has told SBS News that there will be no cuts to the ABC or SBS.

So how long before they will be heavily cut? A month? Two?
 
6 month Abbott gov, 2.5 year Turnbull gov.

Believe.

Won't happen. Given Labor's disarray after knifing Kevin and then Julia and the Coalitions ruthless exploitation of such they won't do it. There's only two ways you'd even potentially lose Abbot 1) if he did call a double dissolution and it put him in a worse position or 2) the economy takes a nose dive following the implementation of his policy (and it'd need to be sustained, early short time nose dives would be blamed on Labor's poor budgeting).
 
Tony Abbott has told SBS News that there will be no cuts to the ABC or SBS.

So how long before they will be heavily cut? A month? Two?

ABC and SBS have been reclassified as adult content and will be opt-in. In a year they will be decommissioned for the good of the nation. #praisetony
 
What are the odds of a labor win tomorrow? I'm not optimistic but would still like to place a small bet just in case. We are going to lose a lot tomorrow, what's a few dollars? :p
 

mandiller

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That's the full quote? Wow. It's going to be worse than Howard.

No that's not a real quote. It's just what I imagine the thought processes will be. Hockey as already said that if there's waste at the ABC he'll cut it. Although, to be fair, that doesn't mean there is 'waste' at the abc to cut.

Also, some idiot Queenslander just mooned ABC 7.30.
 

Shaneus

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Oh god, that's fucking pathetic. Well, that and the fact that so many people are mindless sheep who believe what they read and not what they find out for themselves which makes me want to shoot myself.

Tonight will probably be the last night I go to sleep while the country is not under leadership from some grade-A fuckstick (for a while). I'll be dreaming of your daughters tonight, Tony. Probably.
 

Jintor

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In lighter news

This election has been a bit of a disappointment for everyone. Instead of a grand battle of policy and ideals, we’ve had two old men nobody likes tussling to be the very slightly lesser evil. The popularity of both parties is abysmal, and in the absence of anything real to offer, they’ve spent the election scrambling for whatever advantage they can get, no matter how cheap or contradictory to their supposed principles. Rudd’s become Globocop, stopper of boats, while Abbott’s been playing the role of feminist-in-residence. Frankly, that doesn’t work for anyone.

And if the major parties are desperate, imagine how desperate the minor parties must be.

But there’s desperate, and then there’s Desperate Enough To Accept Hitler As A Volunteer. I decided to find out who, if anyone, fit into the latter category. My challenge was simple: find a party so desperate for volunteers that they’d accept someone as repugnant as Adolf Hitler as a volunteer.
 

markot

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Ill do you a deal.

In return for TA winning house.

Simon shiekh wins the second senate seat in the ACT and greens hold the balance of power ^_^

One of my uni lecturers is running for the electorate im in >.<
 

markot

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I also love how the papers all pretty much ignored the coalitions 'costings' in the papers this morning. Indeed, the RUSHED NBN BOTCH JOBS was the lead on the tele...

This is why its hard for me to care that journalism is dying. Pretty much the only place you see it is 4corners.
 
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