kingfey
Banned
The split is 94.3% vs 5.7%.
Out of all the women working there only 4 women got the promotion offer. Out of all the men that is working there, almost 70 were offered the promotion.
I dont know how you can spin this disparity.
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Out of all the women working there only 4 women got the promotion offer. Out of all the men that is working there, almost 70 were offered the promotion.
I dont know how you can spin this disparity.
nush
Member
and that's the fact hill you've chosen to die on, even after being pointed out it's majorly flawed as evidence.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
How many men and women are working in that department? And what level job do the women have to start with?
kingfey
Banned
Not everyone is going to have the same numbers. Each field would have certain gender dominating. but not to a certain numbers, like the article is giving us.
The article is giving us the assumption that the company gave 94.3% of the promotion offer to men. It wasn't just 80% to 20%.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ok, you guys are using one, two anecdotal examples to counter this.
Meanwhile we also have verified cases as to how vile executives and employees can get against women in their offices at Activision, Riot etc etc etc.
You're not gonna tell me with a straight face that shit like this doesn't happen lol.
I'm not saying "believe everything women say", but some of the ways some folks are just outright dismissing them are pretty blatant examples of sexism in themselves.
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John Wick
Member
Depends on workforce. Gaming companies tend to be mainly male oriented. Just like if you go to a building site.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
And again, how many men and women were in the departments to start with? And what kinds of jobs did they have? And what kinds of promoted jobs were available which the pool was considered for?
kingfey
Banned
You can calculate the 70 men vs the 4 women. Since this is promotion, it means that there are alot of men working on this field. If you have 4k employees, then that means 3772 are men, and 228 are women. A rate of 94.3% vs 5.7%
That is etimate on number Marie Harrington gave us. She worked for Sony for 16 years.
AGRacing
Member
The burden is on them for proof. Today we have accusations. When we have proof I'm happy to agree with you... but I'm not condemning anybody based on a numbers game.
I'm happy to see them go down on evidence of a problem. Most want to see them go down on nonsense.
Vaelka
Member
Unwelcome advances I can understand women face more of.
But tbh I also think a lot of the time women will assume they get insulted BECAUSE they're a woman, they feel like everything is because of their gender.
In the end of the day demeaning comments and not getting proper credit for your work is something that happens to everyone.
And in a lot of cases I also think people maybe feel like they deserve more than they actually do, and they also don't know how well others are doing they only know their own situation.
While their employeer will have a better view of how they actually '' rank '' in the whole.
But tbh I also think a lot of the time women will assume they get insulted BECAUSE they're a woman, they feel like everything is because of their gender.
In the end of the day demeaning comments and not getting proper credit for your work is something that happens to everyone.
And in a lot of cases I also think people maybe feel like they deserve more than they actually do, and they also don't know how well others are doing they only know their own situation.
While their employeer will have a better view of how they actually '' rank '' in the whole.
nush
Member
It happens in boring "never heard of them companies" as well, it just doesn't get sensationalized for clicks that it's just a gaming company culture issue.
Craig of War
Banned
If it true fire the abuser but if false fire the false accuser
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The accusers aren't the ones sensationalizing it, the gaming news websites that are reporting this are.
And of course it gets more traction and a more trained eye from media when it's a big ass multi billion dollar company like Sony, Activision and not a start-up based out of Wyoming.
I'm fully expecting this to get quietly settled out of court in a few months as well.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Not saying it's always a lie. When did I say assaults or discrimination never happens? Show it.
Just saying when it happens and dont assume an accusation is true. You're getting into Twitter mob conclusions.
Just like when a random woman or women accuses a star athlete he drugged or raped her, it's not always true.
My real world story is a perfect example. If you are someone who would believe that BS woman go ahead. Word got out of the investigation because people have loose lips and I didnt believe he was wrong one bit as I knew she was a total loser on the firing line. I was right.
That story is crazy.
nush
Member
Make her run on a treadmill in VR while they watch?
John Wick
Member
I've done contract work where I have gone to different companies and the workforce was mainly men bar a few women. I can easily assume the shit that women would have to put up with at these male dominated workplaces. So promotion would be difficult and low for the women. Then again Sony could do better
Gexxy1
Member
If 2,000 men work there and 10 women do, that puts a much different light on these statistics. I'm willing to bet far more men work here than women do, and thus more of them are going to be promoted.
Notwithstanding how capable said individuals actually are.
recursive
Member
Do some research. Don't say we. It is you going off the article only. Tech fields are not 50/50 male/female per representation by college graduates so workforce will not be 50/50.
Anyway, this is a straying into political areas which are not allowed per forum rules. Not going to engage further. I recommend you don't troll further and get banned.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Sony was already acting like it was woke before this. Becoming more woke won't help things but I'll be dammed if they don't double down on it publicly because of this.
Hari Seldon
Member
There is definitely a significant problem with work culture in CA. Seems like everywhere else in the country and world men and women can work together fine but the freaks in CA somehow cannot manage this.
fallingdove
Member
Err. You don’t know what the distribution of men to women is. Throwing random numbers out doesn’t make your argument any stronger. What if all 10 of these women were on the same team or in the same organization?
“Hey, we have an opening for Director of Character Design but only men on the team. Let’s appoint that woman from marketing to appease some random gaming forum person’s 50/24 split rule!”
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Rampant frat boy-ish culture in the IT industry there.
Buki1
Member
On a side note of "sexism". When war started in Ukraine two weeks ago, Ukrainian men were suddenly forbidden to cross the border. Women were evacuated in milions. Men had to stay, fight and die just because of they were born with a certain gender.
Funny thing is that feminism suddenly dissapeared. No more protests for "equality", no more "my body my choice". Feminists just packed their bags and leaved the country acting like a fragile gender, while men were left behind.
So much for male privilage when the real problems arise. When this nightmare will end, its time to revaluate all this bullshit. If you were silent at the most brutal example of gender inaquality in human history, when only your gender decides if you can live or must fight to death, you should also shut you damn mouth about inequality in the times of peace. This war proved how much feminism is really worth. If im expected to die for my country in the times of war and you could just leave, that proves you are systematicly privilaged gender. No minor bullshit about your hurt feeling in the office or other gender gap that you bitch about will ever leverage that inequality - you have the right to choose if you want to live or die, I don't.
Funny thing is that feminism suddenly dissapeared. No more protests for "equality", no more "my body my choice". Feminists just packed their bags and leaved the country acting like a fragile gender, while men were left behind.
So much for male privilage when the real problems arise. When this nightmare will end, its time to revaluate all this bullshit. If you were silent at the most brutal example of gender inaquality in human history, when only your gender decides if you can live or must fight to death, you should also shut you damn mouth about inequality in the times of peace. This war proved how much feminism is really worth. If im expected to die for my country in the times of war and you could just leave, that proves you are systematicly privilaged gender. No minor bullshit about your hurt feeling in the office or other gender gap that you bitch about will ever leverage that inequality - you have the right to choose if you want to live or die, I don't.
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kingfey
Banned
What are you talking about? This is a promotion offer, offered to both parties. Its literally in the article. The female that have been working for 16 years for Sony gave us this info.
All you are doing is drop some nonsense here. The information she gave us, clearly shows 94.3% vs 5.7%. I dont know how you can this paint this differently.
Sentenza
Gold Member
Yeah, but these women have been spoiled by their social circles and they deluded themselves into thinking that every time people don't stand in awe and cheer when they open their mouth it must the Patriarchy at work.
But that's the thing with a lot of these reports, isn't it? They list a lot of awful-sounding shit trying to make it sound as if Mengele was opening a new laboratory at the office, then you got to the gist of it it's more often than not a pile of meaningless bullshit.
"Oh no, someone flirted with me". Yeah, you are human being interacting, it's bound to happen at some point unless you aren't a sack of unsalvageable trash. I bet it's a problem just because it was someone you didn't fancy a single bit.
"The flirting was awkward". Yeah, well, a lot of people aren't that good with that shit. And if it gets bad there's nothing that shuts down that type of behavior more quickly than being explicit in voicing your dislike for it.
"Someone dismissed my suggestion". Yeah, suggestions got shut down constantly. Hell, if anything it's far more common than having a suggestion embraced and praised for its brilliance. And I've seen plenty of women in a working environment making the dumbest and/or most pointless suggestions with the attitude of who thought they were sharing distilled genius with the world.
"Someone talked over me". Yeah, co-workers talk over each other and argue about shit all the goddamn time. You may be the only person in your office/studio/team who takes it personally, because you are nurturing your victim complex over the patriarchy. And when it's a boss? They talk over everyone and don't give a shit.
"I've heard co-workers making mean-spirited/sexist jokes during a coffee break". Jesus Christ, god forbit your maybe-over-wroked-and-underpaid co-workers were trying to relax and joke with each other when the Moral Police was around.
"Frat boy culture". Yeah, that's coded language for "You are bitter that your co-workers are in good terms with each other and joke all the time and then avoid eye contact when you are around" because you are notoriously a stuck-up killjoy.
"More men got promoted compared to women". Ok? Even ignoring that maybe men DO outnumber women in your field (and consequently in your company) by a wide margin, the rest of the difference MAY be related to the fact that maybe these men slave away 12 hours a day as a minimum for years, always overachieving and being on top of their job (because they are competitive in nature, passionate about it or just committed to providing for their families) when most of the women in the office maybe leave regularly at 5 pm each day, take regular vacations, maternity leaves, etc?
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kingfey
Banned
That could be plausible.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think you have bigger issues to sort than whatever this topic is about friend ..
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kingfey
Banned
Then explain the 70/4 split, that is stated on the article. Were those women on all women's team, which resulted in 70 men to have these offers?
The estimate I gave you, aligns with The lady that worked for Sony for 16 years.
- Marie Harrington, a veteran of Sony Online Entertainment and Sony PlayStation for more than 16 years, cited a lack of women considered for senior roles during “calibration sessions.” During one session, she said, only four women were considered for promotions, compared to nearly 70 men. She described hearing comments about female candidates’ family lives that weren’t made about male candidates.
Craig of War
Banned
I thought Woke was about race when did Woke become about gender ?
Buki1
Member
Yeah like a war at the border. First world problems of the privilaged seem really petty comparing to that.
remember_spinal
Banned
Hezekiah
Banned
Remember, you're not getting any MS Rewards for posting propaganda for them.Didn't Ryan or someone from Sony taking a huge public stand against sexism around the Activision reveal, and said that such things as these would never find place at Sony?
Edit: partly found it.
"Ryan said he and the leadership were “disheartened and frankly stunned” to see that Activision Blizzard has “not done enough to address a deep-seated culture of discrimination and harassment.”
Ryan reportedly said they reached out to Activision immediately after the article was published, to express “deep concern” and ask how the company plans to address the claims made. “We do not believe their statements of response properly address the situation,” said Ryan.
PlayStation head criticizes Activision Blizzard response to recent report
PlayStation chief Jim Ryan has reportedly said the response to a recent report on Activision Blizzard and its CEO is not enough.www.google.com
Now this is in no way Ryan's fault, but it just backfires every time someone takes a stand. It always bites them in the ass.
Just say you disagrees with their actions instead of looking like a Saint.
Also fun to see how people in here react versus when kotick got heated up.
recursive
Member
Lol. Use some critical thinking. JFC. Unbelievable.
nush
Member
When you are CIS white and looking for positive discrimination advantage?
Craig of War
Banned
that still don't explained why everything is being called woke when woke is about race not gender who making this crap up lol
kingfey
Banned
How about you read the article first?
nush
Member
Same people who made up 50 different genders.
Ladioss
Member
There are two kind of people in this world : suckers and grifters. Suckers are never in short supply.
Craig of War
Banned
I don't know and i don't really care but just google woke and it about race so when did it become gender
Craig of War
Banned
who are these people lol
kingfey
Banned
They mean those people who identify different gender. I suggest you dont get in to that rabbit hole. Everyday its some different nonsense. They keep adding new meaning of gender, that its hard to follow.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If that's the case, its going to be a bigger problem. Like why only 10 women and 2000 men
{insert code here}
Member
Misogyny
isogyny
sogyny
soyny
sony.
That should be enough evidence for a guilty verdict.
isogyny
sogyny
soyny
sony.
That should be enough evidence for a guilty verdict.