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[SlimySnake]

The more I think about this, the more mad this makes me. I'm just going to take a break because otherwise i will probably get myself banned.

There is being competitive which is what I've always wanted ms to be. I applauded them for acquiring playground games, obsidian and ninja theory but these kind of moves to create a monopoly is just going too far.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

We literally don't know what the email lays out, you're projecting too much lol.

We *CAN* definitely rule this part out at least:



The email is from 2019, the Acquisition discussions didn't begin until late 2021.





It would be more accurate than what it is right now

But it's way worse

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Honest to god question. Why does this site care about ResetEra so damn much? I literally ONLY hear about the site from Gaf.

Forum warz is part of console warz for many

 

[adamsapple]

LooooL at the new title... hope you are happy adamsapple

It's even more sensational now, even the article writer admits so

 

[dotnotbot]

The definition of competition is multiple parties trying to harm the other by taking their customers and money.
It's literally what it is.
We know Sony hates MS and wants to destroy Xbox, and I would hope that MS hates Sony and wants to destroy PlayStation.
The worst thing would be if Sony and MS liked each other and decided to work together and share the market as best they can. That would be collusion.

It's not, but I can clearly see why Xbox fans think that's the way it is. They don't know anything better.

 

[Pelta88]

Well we did go from "CMA right now" to "This preceeds any acquisition talk" pretty rapidly after-all.

In your quest to damage control you forget that Microsoft has to go through several regulators. Here in the UK, the execs stated intentions of using COD to foreclose Sony is pertinent information. Irrespective of how it plays out in the United States. And is in stark contrast to the "We're buying COD for the gamers." horse manure that we wish would stop falling out their mouths.

Bottom line: It's a wrap for this acquisition.

 

[Puscifer]

Long history tied to Gaf.

I mean obviously, but god damn it's in so many threads it's noticeble that it's living rent free in many a posters heads.

 

[Kilau]

You got any proof that they started in late 2021?Even if that doesn't change anything in fact it also put the Zenimax acquisition for that same reason too.Maybe buying 2 publisher would be their plan to destroy sony.How hard is it to understand, but if it has no connection whatsoever just reveal said email, it would be an easy solution right ?

 

[azertydu91]

It's even more sensational now, even the article writer admits so

And would you say that buying ABK is part of their general strategy or just an impulse buy like you can buy chips while going to buy milk ?

 

[bluecowboys]

And you want to tell us that these acquisitions are not in talk long before being publicly announced?Or even just reveal wwhat they want instead of games to more players?

Every company talks about potential purchases but it is a nothing burger.

 

[adamsapple]

You got any proof that they started in late 2021?Even if that doesn't change anything in fact it also put the Zenimax acquisition for that same reason too.Maybe buying 2 publisher would be their plan to destroy sony.How hard is it to understand, but if it has no connection whatsoever just reveal said email, it would be an easy solution right ?

wait, did you really just say "you got proof, even still it changes nothing"? lmao

anyway, here's your proof.

Microsoft reportedly began Activision Blizzard talks November – GamesHub

Microsoft reportedly began acquisition talks with Activision Blizzard just three days after damning WSJ report was released to the public.

www.gameshub.com

'On November 19, 2021, in the course of a conversation on a different topic between Mr. Spencer and Mr. Kotick, Mr. Spencer raised that Microsoft was interested in discussing strategic opportunities between Activision Blizzard and Microsoft and asked whether it would be possible to have a call with [Microsoft CEO] Mr. Nadella the following day,' the filing states of the beginnings of the acquisition process.

 

[Bernardougf]

I mean obviously, but god damn it's in so many threads it's noticeble that it's living rent free in many a posters heads.

Think this way... anytime you think that somethigns are bad here.. go there stay a little and comeback feeling automatically better

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's even more sensational now, even the article writer admits so

Oh sure. It was pure coincidence. Totally not connected to the current strategy.

 

[DrFigs]

 

[F0rneus]

That's news to a lot of GAF, apparently. Also many here seem to be oblivious to PR and deals.

I didn't post that much in the MBK acquisition thread so, I don't really know who said what, but of course MS trying to buy Activision/Blizzard was a move made to destroy Playstation and supplant them as market leader by sheer money. It'll probably happen, but what's sad is that MS already have a rich and deep catalogue from Perfect Dark, to Killer Instinct that they refuse they work with. PD reboot is in Metroid Prime 4 mode aka shit ain't workin'.

This is business, and it's cutthroat but if MS pulls it off (I think they eventually will) it's kinda game over in terms of who will be the top dog pretty much forever onwards. But me, I'll still stick to PS and Nintendo. It's just more my style and I can't really trash my 300+ digital collection into the bin you know?

 

[adamsapple]

Oh sure. It was pure coincidence. Totally not connected to the current strategy.

General strategy? maybe.

This specific acquisition like the original tweets fro Totilo and the topic title imply? no.

 

[Pelta88]

LooooL at the new title... hope you are happy adamsapple

He complains about XB thread titles a lot.

 

[bluecowboys]

? This wasn't brought to the court by FTC.

Never said they did. I used the conditional qualifier "if" you silly goose.

 

[Kilau]

Oh sure. It was pure coincidence. Totally not connected to the current strategy.

 

[DeepEnigma]

General strategy? maybe.

This specific acquisition like the original tweets fro Totilo and the topic title imply? no.

 

[poppabk]

The more I think about this, the more mad this makes me. I'm just going to take a break because otherwise i will probably get myself banned.

There is being competitive which is what I've always wanted ms to be. I applauded them for acquiring playground games, obsidian and ninja theory but these kind of moves to create a monopoly is just going too far.

What moves? None of us know what is in the email.

 

[azertydu91]

wait, did you really just say "you got proof, even still it changes nothing"? lmao

anyway, here's your proof.

Microsoft reportedly began Activision Blizzard talks November – GamesHub

Microsoft reportedly began acquisition talks with Activision Blizzard just three days after damning WSJ report was released to the public.

www.gameshub.com

So you believe reports now ?Or just when they suit your narrative?Because you were qauick to dismiss this mail as false an hour ago ....You gotta wait at least a few days to express double standards, it's too soon here people remember your posts.But let's take your words if destroying sony is MS plan and soon after they plan to buy ABK, why would their motive suddenly change ?

 

[In Cold Blood]

It's not, but I can clearly see why Xbox fans think that's the way it is. They don't know anything better.

It absolutely is.

 

[dotnotbot]

Never said they did. I used the conditional qualifier "if" you silly goose.

Lol, right

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So you believe reports now ?Or just when they suit your narrative?Because you were qauick to dismiss this mail as false an hour ago ....You gotta wait at least a few days to express double standards, it's too soon here people remember your posts.But let's take your words if destroying sony is MS plan and soon after they plan to buy ABK, why would their motive suddenly change ?

I don't remember him claiming it was false, but just wanting to see the context. Now we have the context and turns out he was right, it's not related to ABK. I understand your annoyance as it obliterates your narrative.

 

[adamsapple]

So you believe reports now ?Or just when they suit your narrative?Because you were qauick to dismiss this mail as false an hour ago ....You gotta wait at least a few days to express double standards, it's too soon here people remember your posts.But let's take your words if destroying sony is MS plan and soon after they plan to buy ABK, why would their motive suddenly change ?

How are you equating redacted content, the context of which has been updated since it was posted, with an actual reported thing accessible to everyone ?

 

[SuperSaiyanWithDreads]

Hey Microsoft, I got a secret for you.

Spoiler

The Activision/Blizzard deal wouldn't have put Sony's PlayStation gaming division out of business

You think they would of stopped there?

 

[azertydu91]

How are you equating redacted content with an actual reported thing accessible to everyone ?

Ain't that exactly like the tweet is ?An information that has been spread to the public, the difference is that the one in this thread will be borught to court, so if it is false we'll know.

I don't remember him claiming it was false, but just wanting to see the context. Now we have the context and turns out he was right, it's not related to ABK. I understand your annoyance as it obliterates your narrative.

We plan on destroying sony, goes to buy 2 publishers in the upcoming 2 years:
Bumblebeetuna clearly not related.
Don't you guys see that if it is MS plan of course it will happen before they start executing it, how is that so hard to understand?
Do you guys think that architects start pouring concrete then a few months later start to make the plans ?

 

[Puscifer]

Think this way... anytime you think that somethigns are bad here.. go there stay a little and comeback feeling automatically better

I literally have no reason too, hence why I'm trying to figure out why people care so much.

 

[adamsapple]

Ain't that exactly like the tweet is ?An information that has been spread to the public, the difference is that the one in this thread will be borught to court, so if it is false we'll know

The tweet is based on currently redacted content, and even that has been updated within the hour of it being posted to change the egregiously misquoted timeline.

The other thing, the part about ACVI and MS discussions starting in 2021 is a widely circulated news piece which was obtained via a publicly accessible regulatory filing.

They are not the same.

 

[Three]

I'm referring to this specific talking point about this being a targeted point of the acquisition. This supposedly redacted email is from 2019, far before the acquisition talk was a twinkle in anyones eyes.

Can you draw a parallel between this and the acquisition talk 3 years later ? just like how you can draw parallel's between anything if you stretch it thin enough.

It depends entirely on what it says. If it says "let's destroy sony by continuing to acquire third party developers" then would it matter if they convinced Activison after Zenimax?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ain't that exactly like the tweet is ?An information that has been spread to the public, the difference is that the one in this thread will be borught to court, so if it is false we'll know.

We plan on destroying sony, goes to buy 2 publishers in the upcoming 2 years:
Bumblebeetuna clearly not related.
Don't you guys see that if it is MS plan of course it will happen before they start executing it, how is that so hard to understand?
Do you guys think that architects start pouring concrete then a few months later start to make the plans ?

"We totally have a plan to destroy Sony."

Oh yeah, what's that?

"Totally not buying.the largest publishers and IPs in history less than 3 years later since these acquisitions take time and even brag that we're not going to stop, totes."

Oh, okay, makes sense. I eat glue.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Ain't that exactly like the tweet is ?An information that has been spread to the public, the difference is that the one in this thread will be borught to court, so if it is false we'll know.

We plan on destroying sony, goes to buy 2 publishers in the upcoming 2 years:
Bumblebeetuna clearly not related.
Don't you guys see that if it is MS plan of course it will happen before they start executing it, how is that so hard to understand?
Do you guys think that architects start pouring concrete then a few months later start to make the plans ?

Man, it really needs to be said again? The goal of all of these companies is to dominate the competition and be #1. Any move they make is a move towards that goal. We don't need an email saying MS wants to put Sony out of business.

But the original tweets and talk were tying that email directly to the ABK purchase and it turns out that was false. It doesn't change that the ABK move is a move to try and bury Sony, but the emails aren't related (apparently). It's not possible to make it any clearer. I don't understand why some of you are so tripped up here.

 

[adamsapple]

It depends entirely on what it says. If it says "let's destroy sony by continuing to acquire third party developers" then would it matter if they convinced Activison after Zenimax?

It can mean any number of things, Booty could have been talking about acquiring Double Fine to destroy Sony for all we know.

But it completely changes the context of how the thing was first reported, even Totilo has since retracted and apologized for wording it that way.

 

[azertydu91]

The tweet is based on currently redacted content, and even that has been updated within the hour of it being posted to change the egregiously misquoted timeline.

The other thing, the part about ACVI and MS discussions starting in 2021 is a widely circulated news piece which was obtained via a publicly accessible regulatory filing.

They are not the same.

Ah news piece that has circulated more....Probaly has nothing to do with it being a few years ago news and this one being fresh but will you revise your judgement once this has spread?Because it is your way of validating a report, how widespread it is....You must be on a lot of misinformation then.
And you still haven't explained how this changes anything.or isn't related to buying 2 publishers a couple of years later don't you see a connection there ?

 

[DeepEnigma]

It can mean any number of things, Booty could have been talking about acquiring Double Fine to destroy Sony for all we know.

 

[azertydu91]

Man, it really needs to be said again? The goal of all of these companies is to dominate the competition and be #1. Any move they make is a move towards that goal. We don't need an email saying MS wants to put Sony out of business.

But the original tweets and talk were tying that email directly to the ABK purchase and it turns out that was false. It doesn't change that the ABK move is a move to try and bury Sony, but the emails aren't related (apparently). It's not possible to make it any clearer. I don't understand why some of you are so tripped up here.

Dude you are literaly saying their goal is to destroy sony, buying ABK is a move to destroy sony but the 2 aren't related.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Dude you are literaly saying their goal is to destroy sony, buying ABK is a move to destroy sony but the 2 aren't related.

That email was (supposedly) well before they started talking to ABK. Again, I can't make it any clearer for you. That is as simplified as it can get.

 

[Kumomeme]

whatever the outcome is, i hope someone make a movie adaptation over this. gonna be interesting as the story would told from various perspective at a time. Sony, Microsoft, 'the gamers' and other related company like Google too

 

[adamsapple]

Ah news piece that has circulated more....Probaly has nothing to do with it being a few years ago news and this one being fresh but will you revise your judgement once this has spread?Because it is your way of validating a report, how widespread it is....You must be on a lot of misinformation then.

Mate what are you even babbling about lol, who tf cares how far and wide it is reported, the 2021 thing was obtained from an SEC filing. It is not something someone said and other people reported it ad-nauseam. You are welcome to check it yourself if you don't want to take my word for it.

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And you still haven't explained how this changes anything.or isn't related to buying 2 publishers a couple of years later don't you see a connection there ?

See my previous post.

Tim Schafer is worth $69bn

 

[adamsapple]

whatever the outcome is, i hope someone make a movie adaptation over this. gonna be interesting as the story would told from various perspective at a time. Sony, Microsoft, 'the gamers' and other related company like Google too

Kotik can reprise himself, thanks to his Hollywood acting chops.

 

[azertydu91]

That email was (supposedly) well before they started talking to ABK. Again, I can't make it any clearer for you. That is as simplified as it can get.

You haven't understood the architect analogy then, you don't pour concrete and then make the plans of the building.We had the intentions then the acts then when justified MS lied about their intentions.

Mate what are you even babbling about lol, who tf cares how far and wide it is reported, the 2021 thing was obtained from an SEC filing. It is not something someone said and other people reported it ad-nauseam. You are welcome to check it yourself if you don't want to take my word for it.

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See my previous post.





Tim Schafer is worth $69bn

Still not explaining anything about how if you say I'll make a building then make the building the two are not connected.

 

[bender]

Stephen Tortilla lied to us? I'll never eat nachos again!

 

[Three]

It can mean any number of things, Booty could have been talking about acquiring Double Fine to destroy Sony for all we know.

But it completely changes the context of how the thing was first reported, even Totilo has since retracted and apologized for wording it that way.

I'm of the opinion that it likely isn't that damning but honestly, its connection obviously depends on the context and we have little to no information on that.

 

[Dane]

 

[Fake]

Phil must be a huge final fantasy fan. He took that shit personally.

The power of the Cloud.

 

[feynoob]

Dont know how I feel about this.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You haven't understood the architect analogy then, you don't pour concrete and then make the plans of the building.We had the intentions then the acts then when justified MS lied about their intentions.

I understood the architect analogy just fine, it's just a poor analogy. Also, you're getting emotional claiming Microsoft "lied about intentions". I'd really love to live in this fantasy land some of you do where businesses aren't out to dominate one another.

I've yet to see a single person here claiming MS isn't trying to bury Sony. It doesn't mean the email is connected to the ABK deal. Try an electrician analogy next.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Exactly… he even admits it was a mistake to summarize it as directly about the deal and not about a "general strategy of Xbox". The guy who made the tweet gets it, why can't GAF

 

[azertydu91]

I understood the architect analogy just fine, it's just a poor analogy. Also, you're getting emotional claiming Microsoft "lied about intentions". I'd really love to live in this fantasy land some of you do where businesses aren't out to dominate one another.

I've yet to see a single person here claiming MS isn't trying to bury Sony. It doesn't mean the email is connected to the ABK deal. Try an electrician analogy next.

Alright an electrician put wires in the wall but then forgot the connect them to the fusebox and the outlets, just like you fail to make the connections.
Now imagine Sony's head saying they want to destroy MS then goes to buy take2 and EA but when antitrust inquire they say it is to bring games to more players would you believe them?Then neither should FTC and CMA.