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[Snuggles]

The difference there though is that there are other items for $2.50. I mean, you could just buy another key if you like. My, and many other people's, major issue with Live spacebucks is that the pricing of content and points bundles is specifically engineered to require you to spend more money than you intended to.

Pretty much. It's the same situation with Bioware's DLC site for Mass Effect. It's not often that you can find an item and add points for the exact amount, you almost always have to buy a little extra to cover the cost of the content. And it defeats the whole purpose of impulse buying nickel and dime DLC (like $1-2 a pop) when you have to buy a minimum of $5-6 dollars worth of space bucks before you can make a purchase . It's a shitty system with no purpose other than getting you to spend more than you need to. It's cool that you can occasionally find discounted space buck cards, but it's not enough to offset all of the downsides of a system like that.

 

[Definity]

17GB required? High res textures right?

 

[morningbus]

Oh, I definitely agree about some of the funky pricing on the Live front. But I only wanted one key in my case (cause I had one crate) and I didn't want to waste another $2.50 on the game (this was before it became F2P and was around the time that I stopped playing). So in my case, it was similar as I spent more money than I intended to.

I believe one of the reasons there is a 5.00 minimum on the Steam wallet is so that Valve does not incur, or incurs lesser charges from credit card companies for the transaction. It is the same reason why Valve will often bundle games purchased within a short period of each other on your credit card statement.

There is at least a less scummy reason available to Valve for the situation. Whereas the Microsoft points are only there to confuse you and force you to spend more.

 

[Struct09]

17GB required? High res textures right?

Probably bloated from DLC that's already included (you'll just need to buy a key to unlock it all)

 

[Salaadin]

17GB required? High res textures right?

Pretty sure they said PC version will have high res textures

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I believe one of the reasons there is a 5.00 minimum on the Steam wallet is so that Valve does not incur, or incurs lesser charges from credit card companies for the transaction. It is the same reason why Valve will often bundle games purchased within a short period of each other on your credit card statement.

There is at least a less scummy reason available to Valve for the situation. Whereas the Microsoft points are only there to confuse you and force you to spend more.

The above is correct, vendors always absorb transaction fees for credit, which is why a lot of them won't accept AMEX.

 

[SlickVic]

Damn, looks like I won't be diving into this till Christmas break now.

Also hope they clarify if the game is Steamworks, or Steam achievements and Steam cloud are only for folks who buy it on Steam.

 

[RibbedHero]

17GB? I wanted more. Give me something to really test this new 100Mb connection Rocksteady.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Buy RAGE?

 

[Salsa]

17GB required? High res textures right?

yup, higher res textures than the consoles.

doesnt this game feature tesselation and dx11 and whatnot? says dx9 at the store page.. guess that's minimum requirements though

 

[petethepanda]

I do indeed! I, and several other GAFers, have bought codes off this guy on HardForum:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1640005

So this it/he actually legit? If so I think I might jump on this...

 

[Palette Swap]

Am I missing something? How can a game have Steam achievements and be GFWL? I don't know of any game that does that?

 

[Eusis]

It's got Steam Cloud support too, so I guess there's no need to go through extra steps moving around saves when playing on a new computer or whatever. Or worry about saves at all really.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Am I missing something? How can a game have Steam achievements and be GFWL? I don't know of any game that does that?

et voila:

One thing which confuses people is that Steamworks is actually:

- DRM
- Leaderboards
- Cloud saves
- Achievements
- Multiplayer
- Updates

And so on and so on. Developers don't have to use all of it to use some of it, if you catch my drift.

 

[TheExodu5]

So this it/he actually legit? If so I think I might jump on this...

Legit? I have no idea. He doesn't say how he came by the codes. If he is legit, he could be working at a PC shop and using codes that came with cards used for pre-built PCs. Considering he's a regular at a PC enthusiast community, I didn't really have any reservations about his legitimacy, so I didn't bother asking.

Many of us have bought a code from him without any issues.

edit: nevermind, not a regular...confused him with someone else. Seems like all his threads on [H] are FS: threads. Take that as you will.

 

[Palette Swap]

et voila:

Actually, I was wondering about the opposite: can a game be GFWL and not have GFWL achievements?

AC is already known to have Steam achievements, they're on the product page.

 

[Crescendo170]

Fuck you WB.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Actually, I was wondering about the opposite: can a game be GFWL and not have GFWL achievements?

AC is already known to have Steam achievements, they're on the product page.

Yes yes. But either the part of the product page which says "GFWL" is wrong (kind of likely when you consider it says online play, and the game has no online play) or it's very possible to make a GFWL game without Live cheese mints, as evidenced by the fact that we're discussing a game which claims to be GFWL but has no Live cheese mints.

Fuck you WB.

Yeah fu- wait, what?

 

[Sober]

Yes yes. But either the part of the product page which says "GFWL" is wrong (kind of likely when you consider it says online play, and the game has no online play) or it's very possible to make a GFWL game without Live cheese mints, as evidenced by the fact that we're discussing a game which claims to be GFWL but has no Live cheese mints.

Arkham Asylum has the same thing. Could just mean it's for leaderboards or whatever.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Arkham Asylum has the same thing. Could just mean it's for leaderboards or whatever.

The best explanation I've heard is that it's because of that silly Catwoman malarkey.

 

[Struct09]

Yes yes. But either the part of the product page which says "GFWL" is wrong (kind of likely when you consider it says online play, and the game has no online play) or it's very possible to make a GFWL game without Live cheese mints, as evidenced by the fact that we're discussing a game which claims to be GFWL but has no Live cheese mints.

Being a GFWL game it probably has Live achievements (even on Steam). This may be the first game to have both Steam and GFWL achievements.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Being a GFWL game it probably has Live achievements (even on Steam). This may be the first game to have both Steam and GFWL achievements.

It's not a GFWL game, though. The store page says "Online play requires log-in to Games For Windows – Live", it's not really clear exactly what that means. Especially considering that there is no online play!

 

[Salsa]

My money is on GFWL/Steam shared achievements as well.

Im cool with it as long as Steam cloud handles my saves instead of GFWL.

 

[morningbus]

In previous statements WB confirmed that it wouldn't be a Games for Windows LIVE game. It can still be Games for Windows and the requirements for that title are really, really loose.

Hell, Fallout: New Vegas was Games for Windows, technically.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

My money is on the games press being totally useless and incapable of understanding that there is a difference between GFW and GFWL.

Edit: damn it morningbus I've been jinx-posting with you all freaking morning.

 

[petethepanda]

Legit? I have no idea. He doesn't say how he came by the codes. If he is legit, he could be working at a PC shop and using codes that came with cards used for pre-built PCs. Considering he's a regular at a PC enthusiast community, I didn't really have any reservations about his legitimacy, so I didn't bother asking.

Many of us have bought a code from him without any issues.

edit: nevermind, not a regular...confused him with someone else. Seems like all his threads on [H] are FS: threads. Take that as you will.

Does sound a bit shady and I'm always paranoid of Steam copies being revoked if something should go weird, but whatever, $25 through PayPal is too good to pass up lol.

Edit: Made an account on the forum but I guess I'm in the activation queue or something. Hopefully he doesn't run out by time I can actually message him.

 

[morningbus]

Edit: damn it morningbus I've been jinx-posting with you all freaking morningbus.

Fixed.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

So does it have GFWL or not? Getting confusing

 

[Eusis]

I swore there was reconfirmation that it was GFWL afterall. Did we have anyone other than GMG disproving it?

 

[Struct09]

In previous statements WB confirmed that it wouldn't be a Games for Windows LIVE game. It can still be Games for Windows and the requirements for that title are really, really loose.

Hell, Fallout: New Vegas was Games for Windows, technically.

I believe it was some website reporting that it wouldn't be GFWL, but WB came through later to clarify that it would be a GFWL title. The box art also has the GFWL banner on it.

Search Google for "Batman Arkham City Games For Windows Live" and you'll see a bunch of articles about it.

 

[TheExodu5]

Does sound a bit shady and I'm always paranoid of Steam copies being revoked if something should go weird, but whatever, $25 through PayPal is too good to pass up lol.

Edit: Made an account on the forum but I guess I'm in the activation queue or something. Hopefully he doesn't run out by time I can actually message him.

Well he sends pictures of the voucher, and he's not selling video cards, so I'm assuming the video cards are being used for legit purposes.

 

[AgentChris]

Wrong thread.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I've seen retail boxes for the game with GFWL, GFW and no GF branding at all. A lot of the box art for retail games online is speculation on the part of retailers, I don't think I'd put a huge amount of trust in them.

 

[Bumhead]

Doesn't the Steam listing specify it requiring GFWL for online features?

Seems pretty vague and loosely fitting. I'd wager the bulk of the game will be Steamworks with optional or at least fairly limited support for GFWL for those that want it.

 

[Levito]

Pre-ordering as soon as I get home.

 

[deleted]

I got Arkham through the Nvidia deal. It activated as AC Retail.

Does that mean that I have to deal with GFWL? Please tell thats not true.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Out of curiosity, how big was AA's install size? That was only like 12gigs wasn't it?

 

[Mrbob]

I got Arkham through the Nvidia deal. It activated as AC Retail.

Does that mean that I have to deal with GFWL? Please tell thats not true.

I don't think there will be two different versions of the game on steam. It says retail because the game wasn't purchased from the Steam store.

 

[Agnogenic]

.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Out of curiosity, how big was AA's install size? That was only like 12gigs wasn't it?

Just clicked Install on Steam and it's saying 8.3gb installed size.

 

[snoopeasystreet]

Can a game have GFWL achievements and Steam achievements at the same time? That'd be crazy.

 

[petethepanda]

Well he sends pictures of the voucher, and he's not selling video cards, so I'm assuming the video cards are being used for legit purposes.

Got the code from the guy, but on the redemption page it's telling me "Your redemption code is not valid or has already been redeemed." Emailed the guy back, hopefully he gets back to me soon lol

 

[G_Berry]

That's a bummer. I'll still be balls deep in Skyrim by then. =/

Fixed

 

[Peagles]

Got the code from the guy, but on the redemption page it's telling me "Your redemption code is not valid or has already been redeemed." Emailed the guy back, hopefully he gets back to me soon lol

Try it again, if you already haven't. I bought a couple of codes from eBay and one of them said the same thing but worked the second time.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Just clicked Install on Steam and it's saying 8.3gb installed size.

Wow, so AC is huge compared to the install of AA.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Wow, so AC is huge compared to the install of AA.

Yes indeed, bodes well for high-res textures

 

[Yurt]

Pretty smart move.

I'm still going to wait for the PC version though.

 

[adg1034]

Got the code from the guy, but on the redemption page it's telling me "Your redemption code is not valid or has already been redeemed." Emailed the guy back, hopefully he gets back to me soon lol

I picked up a code from him last night- no problems at all. One thing, though: make sure you go to the Nvidia site first. The code on the voucher isn't a Steam key itself; you have to use the Nvidia site to use that key to get the Steam key. Convoluted, but it works.

 

[masterkajo]

So this RickyL guy seems to be legit? $25.- is still much cheaper than $40.-

Question is if everything works out right and you get the full game and all DLC and stuff. Should I do it?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

So this RickyL guy seems to be legit? $25.- is still much cheaper than $40.-

Question is if everything works out right and you get the full game and all DLC and stuff. Should I do it?

You get whatever you would get if you bought it on steam... It's just a voucher.