They won't know 100% until they do the weekend totals obviously but they have years and years of cinema data to work from so they extrapolate based one past movies based on what was earned on Friday/typical drops against the Friday drop/typical weekend attendance differences things like that. Unless this movie has a huge Saturday upswing (which I believe happened with Force Awakens it got a pretty big weekend bump after the estimates) or something, the estimate is probably pretty close.
Batman V Superman Takes A Dive With -70% Second Weekend
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They won't know 100% until they do the weekend totals obviously but they have years and years of cinema data to work from so they extrapolate based one past movies based on what was earned on Friday/typical drops against the Friday drop/typical weekend attendance differences things like that. Unless this movie has a huge Saturday upswing (which I believe happened with Force Awakens it got a pretty big weekend bump after the estimates) or something, the estimate is probably pretty close.
ElBoxyBrown
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Somewhat related, I just discovered The World's Finest TV Movie is on RT
WHY couldn't they just model it after this? WHY?!?
Less reviews that are positive will shoot you up to the top quick.
Ninja Scroll deserves that 100% tho.
To end a meta-debate running through the thread, new threads for new news is fine. It happens all the time for box office threads and provides a space for breakout discussion for those who might not check on the weekly thread. If not, we'd have locked it before the first page was full.
That said.
What a historic collapse. It's going be fascinating to see how WB responds, because they have to respond if they want this franchise to work. They can't build a cinematic universe with Snyder at the helm. Not beyond the opening weekend their marketing can buy.
Dropping from $1b+ to the ~$850m it's now tracking to is huge because that's about the level WB needed to break even on this. So they're watching their box office profits collapse. Making money when it hits video was not the plan.
Yep. That's why losing a few hundred million hurts WB so much. Well, that and poisoning their Justice League franchise before it even starts.
That said.
What a historic collapse. It's going be fascinating to see how WB responds, because they have to respond if they want this franchise to work. They can't build a cinematic universe with Snyder at the helm. Not beyond the opening weekend their marketing can buy.
Dropping from $1b+ to the ~$850m it's now tracking to is huge because that's about the level WB needed to break even on this. So they're watching their box office profits collapse. Making money when it hits video was not the plan.
Yep. That's why losing a few hundred million hurts WB so much. Well, that and poisoning their Justice League franchise before it even starts.
Jeffolation
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You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Zack. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.
broncobuster
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I know people love taking shots at the cast and crew of the film, but man, not all of them are taking it well. I'll say, funnier part of the sad Affleck video is seeing Cavill super optimistic. In a sense truer to the Bats and Superman relationship than what's in the film
Honestly, the only scenes I felt were unnecessary was the kryptonian bullet subplot. Nothing else stuck out as out of place.
No way, I loved the movie as is, and I'm eagerly anticipating the true version of it.
It just seems like the damage is done, no matter how good that cut may or may turn out.
Manmademan
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They're already responding by retooling suicide squad into Deadpool.
echoshifting
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Really? "Stop everything! Here are some trailers" didn't strike you as out of place?
I could argue for more but that scene is the most glaring example of something that should have remained on the cutting room floor
Here's some info if people want to see a little bit more about second weekend drops and it has some interesting historical worst/best drops
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_weekend_in_box_office_performance
Some of the info is a little misleading as as I think blockbusters tend to see bigger drops so I don't think 50-60 ends up being too bad as indicated in the article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_weekend_in_box_office_performance
Some of the info is a little misleading as as I think blockbusters tend to see bigger drops so I don't think 50-60 ends up being too bad as indicated in the article.
All I want is Snyder's JL film. After I get that, all the fanboys and MCU fans can burn WB to the ground and bask in the ashes. Just let me have the JL movie and I'll jump along the silly humor and not serious train.
Nah. If artsy comic book movies can't thrive, I don't give a damn about the genre. Y'all can have it.
I wonder if people share the same sentiment for all bad movies like Transformers or is the hate specifically reserved for BvS. And come on now this are big summer blockbuster not art type films. Cinema will be fine.
Gordon Shumway
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But isn't everyone saying this is false? Or is it just a whole lot of guessing on anyone's part?
echoshifting
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You believe BvS to be artsy?
Manmademan
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There is absolutely no shortage of loathing for the Transformers franchise. EVERYONE knows those are garbage.
The movie was terrible, the bad guy didn't have any motive and a poor Joker rip off, Batman wasn't terrible, it's even the best thing from the movie but its killing parts are terrible, the dream sequences are just out of place, the amount of destruction is ridiculous and the pacing from the movie is off, I won't talk about the miscasts ( Gadot and Jesse ) I hope Znyder will be fired.
imagine if Civil War:
imagine if Civil War:
Someone, in some oscure subreddit just put a price on your head.
Bruh did you read that?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm
It's solidly in the top 100 biggest drops since 1982, possibly in the top 50.
What part of "'Batman V Superman Takes A Dive With -70% Second Weekend" is remotely misleading?
Citation needed for the bold.
AmaterasuOni
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That's one way to put it: artsy-fartsy.
You just know Deadpool 2 is totally going to ape this.imagine if Civil War:
Okay, I haven't seen Bvs yet, but I can tell you right now if you think that's artsy, you're out of your mind.
The quickest way to kill my enthusiasm about DC movies is to turn them into MCU movies where they are cracking jokes in the middle of "life or death" fights. There's a place for light hearted CBMs but if we're getting that from both DC and Marvel count me out.
Naughty_Doge
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Oddly enough I liked the movie even after reading the reviews, spoilers and reasons why I should hate it.
Maybe it was the low expectations. I don't know.
Maybe it was the low expectations. I don't know.
Gordon Shumway
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Bias v Superman? 😉
50 Shades of Grey has the largest drop of all time for a film that opened over $50M. Number two was Deathly Hallows Pt 2. Valentines Day and New Moon were the only other films in that group with 70%+ drops.
So basically, two films that were heavily inflated by V-Day, two films that had huge midnight grosses (larger than BvS in terms of dollars and percentage of opening weekend), and all 4 heavily appealing to female audiences.
If BvS hits that 70% drop mark, it will be the worst drop of all time for a male-skewing major opener.
No I meant in the Wikipedia article... why would I talk about 50-60 in regards to BvS? My citation is that as I mentioned Age of Ultron had a 60ish% drop and still did 1.4 billion. By any estimation, 70% is absolutely a garbage fire.
Permanently A
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I bet they have a scene where Deadpool is just trying to guess the mom's name like "Mary? Debbie? Judith? Martha? Its Martha, right?"
They already released two serious Batman movies that made over a billion dollars, they had a formula that worked. More likely they will go back to that style rather than copying Marvel.
Snyder should ever have been given this movie after Man of Steel.
evilromero
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Just got back from seeing it and while I mostly agree with a lot of the shared criticisms, I still enjoyed it.
You say that. But the way the movies are so far, it's not really working out either. DC could've made darker movies successfully, but it's easy to get ridiculous by going too dark and they fell in that trap. We already have a nearly perfect Snyder movie for that overly dark kind of movie and we don't need an entire universe in that way.
Maybe I'm just hyped to see those guys on the big screen, but it really didn't bother me.
Then again, I was fine the Ragnarok teaser in AoU and other scenes of that sort in the MCU.
milanbaros
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Yes, they will be. They will have wanted $1.2bn.
The movie also needs to have no establishing shots. Or 10 minutes of establishing shots with a 4th wall break.
CosmicGroinPull
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There is and it was already done well by Nolan. Snyder just comes off as intentionally trying to make things grim dark for shock value. He admitted that's why he killed
Jimmy Olsen in the beginning of the movie
Yeah, I keep telling myself that but I'm worried. There's a place for humor but every 30 sec during a fight ruins it for me.
I watched the movie last night and kept thinking "When is this going to start sucking? I thought this movie was supposed to suck?"
I loved almost every minute of it. But it was divisive among my group of friends. I went with 4 other people. 2 people loved it (including me), 1 person merely liked it, 1 person didn't like it, and 1 person hated it.
I think I've come to terms with knowing the things that I love and hold dear to my heart won't win universal praise. That's fine. I saw Jupiter Ascending 3 times in theatres and felt that was a 10/10 and that movie was a huge bomb. I would give Batman V Superman a 9/10 personally. I loved the visual style and the music - I think visuals and sound can elevate almost anything into "watchable" when the visuals and sounds are so wonderfully compelling as in BvS - Snyder and Zimmer/JunkieXL killed it in that regard.
I loved almost every minute of it. But it was divisive among my group of friends. I went with 4 other people. 2 people loved it (including me), 1 person merely liked it, 1 person didn't like it, and 1 person hated it.
I think I've come to terms with knowing the things that I love and hold dear to my heart won't win universal praise. That's fine. I saw Jupiter Ascending 3 times in theatres and felt that was a 10/10 and that movie was a huge bomb. I would give Batman V Superman a 9/10 personally. I loved the visual style and the music - I think visuals and sound can elevate almost anything into "watchable" when the visuals and sounds are so wonderfully compelling as in BvS - Snyder and Zimmer/JunkieXL killed it in that regard.
TDK style only works for Batman. That's the rabbit hole that has lead to our current situation.
The problem isn't the darker tone, it's the fact that it's a bad movie. And Nolan's Batfilms are fun too, without being full of jokes
It's because these are beloved characters and the chance to set up a glorious DC Cinematic Universe-which has the potential to be the best thing ever.
But when Warner Bros puts people like Zack Snyder in charge of this-and seems to not even give a shit, it's easy to see why people hate it.
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