Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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XAL said:
Nope. I just described ASM2. I haven't seen BvS yet.

So let me get this straight they took the Doomsday story and the Dark Knight Returns and smashed it together and then desperately tried to shove as much of a foundation into a cinematic universe that didn't exist before the movie?

Because that's what Sony tried to do and it failed spectacularly. Are they aware that they can't do in one movie what Marvel did over 5 movies before Avengers?

I've heard that the rated R cut is the true version of the film and that so much stuff was cut from the movie that they created a bunch of laughable plot holes in the movie, just a bunch of shit that happens and doesn't make any sense within the confines of the flick.

I really wanted this to be good, but it sounds like a total mess - occasional cool scenes aside.

People seem to be raving about Batfleck, but he kills people in this movie with guns? Is that right?
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Yes.
 
Iron Man 3 is a solid, solid movie.

Some people still argue that Tony retired... that shit makes my head explode. They all complain about how simple minded, formulaic and basic the Marvel movies are, but when it comes to things that are spelled out by the movie itself they suddenly draw a blank or completely miss the point.

I still remember this guy who was trying to argue Avengers didn't put any effort to show the fight happened in New York. This happened guys, not making this up.
 
Jigorath said:
It's a shame IM1 couldn't stick the landing but the first two acts are so good that the film still holds in spite up of the weak third act.

But yeah, IM3 is my favorite in the series. Top 5 MCU for sure. Maybe top 3.
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What would your top 5 look like?

Hell, make it your top 8 so I can see the order of the first few films you'd rank below Iron Man 3.
 
bad said:
Maybe Snyder can direct an adaptation to Frank Miller's original Batman pitch... Holy Terror Batman
What could go wrong?
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I have no doubts that Snyder would love to make this.

Which probably says a lot about whether or not we should even let him near these characters again, honestly.
 
Zeyphersan said:
THIS ALREADY HAPPENED

I'M PRETTY SURE THIS EXACT POST ALREADY HAPPENED
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If you want a ranking it's something like...

1. Guardians
2. Winter Soldier
3. Iron Man 3
4. Cap1
5. Iron Man
6. Ant-Man
7. Avengers
8. Age of Ultron
9. Hulk
10. Thor
11. Iron Man 2
12. Thor 2

Jack Remington said:
The villain they were building up before the twist was great.
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You mean generic as fuck. What we got was so much better.
 
Jigorath said:
If you want a ranking it's something like...

1. Guardians
2. Winter Soldier
3. Iron Man 3
4. Cap1
5. Iron Man
6. Ant-Man
7. Avengers
8. Age of Ultron
9. Hulk
10. Thor
11. Iron Man 2
12. Thor 2



You mean generic as fuck. What we got was so much better.
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Which Hulk?
 
Kalentan said:
Keep repeating? I've mentioned in this thread that I liked IM3 but this is literally the first time I've even talked about the villain in particular. So...
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You're not the only one who keeps saying it and if this is the first time you've said it, I'm sure it won't be the last even though it's wrong. I'm talking to all of you.
 
I think critics RT scores for Marvel movies are higher because MCU movies are cookie-cutter, low-brow entertainment. It's like watching a sitcom. Sure, it's not fine art, but it gets the job done. It doesn't offend.

I haven't seen BVS yet and thought Man of Steel was pretty flashy with no substance so I'm not trying to defend Snyder here. But what I feel is that because WB/DC are trying to be more serious/gritty, they have opened themselves up to more criticism.



Also, Iron Man 3 is fucking trash. Jesus Christ.
 
Been in this thread for a long time and shared a lot of laughs. Just want to say I got back from seeing it and I enjoyed it. Not great but good. 7.5/10 for me. It's certainly possible that my expectations were so low I went into a delusional state during the film, but I don't think so.
 
XAL said:
People seem to be raving about Batfleck, but he kills people in this movie with guns? Is that right?
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I'm torn.

I've yet to like a live action Bruce Wayne. He's my absolute favorite fictional character of all time. Particularly hated Christian Bale as Bruce and it ruined the Nolan films for me. (Well, among other things.)

I think Ben Affleck looks the part. He gets the body language right and the expressions. He looks a bit goofy in the costume but whatever. I enjoyed watching him and felt as if I was finally watching a live action Bruce.

The problem is that what he's actually doing is not what I like my Bruce to be doing. :(

So I feel like he has the most potential of all the previous actors to be the closest to what I want in a Bruce Wayne, but I doubt we'll ever get a movie geared towards that.
 
killertofu said:
I think critics RT scores for Marvel movies are higher because MCU movies are cookie-cutter, low-brow entertainment. It's like watching a sitcom. Sure, it's not fine art, but it gets the job done. It doesn't offend.

I haven't seen BVS yet and thought Man of Steel was pretty flashy with no substance so I'm not trying to defend Snyder here. But what I feel is that because WB/DC are trying to be more serious/gritty, they have opened themselves up to more criticism.



Also, Iron Man 3 is fucking trash. Jesus Christ.
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Marvel movies might be low brow. But BvS will make you a dumber person.
 
The Kree said:
Mandarin hasn't been that for like thirty years, but please, keep repeating this bullshit.
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It's not bullshit if the character needed to be reimagined in the first place, comics or movie.

In the ultimate universe, Mandarin isn't even a person. Because the character is outdated and racist.
 
So, having now seen the film, I can safely say the critics were right on point with this one. This is a bad film and an even worse superhero flick, to the point where I got the grim feeling that the people making BvS hate these characters and want you to hate them too. Well mission accomplished. Cavill's take on the Superman character is even worse than he was during Meh of Steel and while Gal Gadot is fine as Wonder Woman, her appearance in this film feels like it was on some committee checklist because they need to haphazardly establish the DCCU in as rushed and as messily a manner as possible.

While I fully believe Ben Affleck could make a great Batman, this version of Batman is
the definitive take on Crazy Steve Batman from ASBAR because he murders and tortures people (at one point someone is set on fire thanks to his actions and is presumably killed), thinks he's always right in his conclusion while being a completely reckless and xenophobic gun-toting lunatic. Heck, there was a scene where Perry White refers to him as the "goddamn Batman". I bet if Robin *was* alive in this universe, he would make derogatory remarks to him before feeding him rats in the Batcave. Also, what the hell was up with the bats lifting up Bruce as a kid? That is not how physics work, no matter how good you try to make it look!
Don't get me started on Jessie Eisenberg's character, who was the most insufferable scene-chewing thing to appear in any modern superhero film. I say character because they sure as heck weren't Lex Luthor!
Maybe that piss is just his father's: He did say he left everything in his father's room the same place as it was before so...

The film is essentially a 2 & 1/2 hour long advertisement for what a morose mess the DCCU will be in the coming years, with cameos thrown in that slow down this repugnant bile to a crawl when it isn't being incredibly obnoxious. It's poorly edited, badly written trash. To explain why it's so wretched, i've come up with a list of comic book/comic book-related things you could better spend your time with than watching this movie:
-Read Batman Hush: A great story that, among its other accomplishments, has a believable fight between Batman and Superman while showing their unique relationship.
-Watch Deadpool: Funny, crude and full of heart, something Batman V. Superman completely lacks. Speaking of...
-Read Ms. Marvel: Admittedly the last main storyline (the one about Kamala's identity being used to support a real estate takeover of her neighbourhood brought about via
Hydra
) felt like it rushed towards the finale and could have used more time to fully flesh out its tale, it's the small moments of each individual issue that make up for any shortcomings in the pacing and conclusion of the overall story. There are very few tiny details to appreciate about this film outside of minor aesthetic details and the ending will leave you shouting out "NO! You did not earn that ending movie, shame!". I sincerely doubt the R-rated director's cut will make any of this any more enjoyable or inspiring than a young woman punching people with expanding fists while dealing with balancing out their personal life and superhero duties. Also the latest issue was pretty great.
-Check out Ellis' run on Moon Knight: Smart and sharp-looking (Shalvey's artwork is a feast for the eyes, especially in issue 2 & 3), it's a great anthology of sorts that still manages to tell a coherent story over the course of six comics as opposed to the myriad of poorly connected scenes exemplified in this film.
- Pick up any of the DCAU series on DVD and watch them. Any of them. Even the Zeta Project was better than this because at least that series understood Batman as a character, even if it was future Batman
-Apologize to the small children no doubt crying by the scary imagery as an icon of hope that aspires humanity to be better is wailed on/cut up by a CGi monster and a psychopath in a cape. They need someone to make them feel better because this film is so thoroughly nasty and unpleasant to sit through.
Zero-ELEC said:
-Read All-Star Superman: It's one of Superman's best stories and for many a codifier as to what and who "jesus" Superman is. It also deals with (spoilers for BvS)
the death of Superman only in an interesting manner
.
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Short version: Batman v Superman only avoids being as bad as Fant4stic as a pretentiously stupid film that thinks it's smarter than it actually is by virtue of some well-shot scenes and for not being
as
boring. You have to aspire to make a film this bad. Much like Lex Luthor's piss, Batman V Superman blew up any good will the DCCU garnered up to this point.
 
The average MCU film is a Renoir. Pretty good craftsmanship, not really doing anything all that interesting, but inoffensive. You don't stand there wondering how that made it into the gallery.

BvS is like a Picasso. Lots of people aren't going to like it, but it's trying things Renoir couldn't begin to attempt.
 
CazTGG said:
So, having now seen the film, I can safely say the critics were right on point with this one. This is a bad film and an even worse superhero flick, to the point where I got the grim feeling that the people making BvS hate these characters and want you to hate them too. Well mission accomplished. Cavill's take on the Superman character is even worse than he was during Meh of Steel and while Gal Gadot is fine as Wonder Woman, her appearance in this film feels like it was on some committee checklist because they need to haphazardly establish the DCCU in as rushed and as messily a manner as possible.

While I fully believe Ben Affleck could make a great Batman, this version of Batman is
the definitive take on Crazy Steve Batman from ASBAR because he murders and tortures people (at one point someone is set on fire thanks to his actions and is presumably killed), thinks he's always right in his conclusion while being a completely reckless and xenophobic gun-toting lunatic. Heck, there was a scene where Perry White refers to him as the "goddamn Batman". I bet if Robin *was* alive in this universe, he would make derogatory remarks to him before feeding him rats in the Batcave. Also, what the hell was up with the bats lifting up Bruce as a kid? That is not how physics work, no matter how good you try to make it look!
Don't get me started on Jessie Eisenberg's character, who was the most insufferable scene-chewing thing to appear in any modern superhero film. I say character because they sure as heck weren't Lex Luthor!
Maybe that piss is just his father's: He did say he left everything in his father's room the same place as it was before so...

...
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While I agree with most of what you're saying, to clear up one of your spoilers
the scene in the beginning with the bats lifting him up as a kid was a dream, he says it right at the end of the scene
 
DryEyeRelief said:
It's not bullshit if the character needed to be reimagined in the first place, comics or movie.
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Damn near every comic book character who wasn't a straight white man needed to be reimagined at some point to be something other than a racist or sexist caricature. Acting like nothing of value was lost by white washing the Mandarin today is complete bullshit.
 
CazTGG said:
So, having now seen the film, I can safely say the critics were right on point with this one. This is a bad film and an even worse superhero flick, to the point where I got the grim feeling that the people making BvS hate these characters and want you to hate them too. Well mission accomplished. Cavill's take on the Superman character is even worse than he was during Meh of Steel and while Gal Gadot is fine as Wonder Woman, her appearance in this film feels like it was on some committee checklist because they need to haphazardly establish the DCCU in as rushed and as messily a manner as possible.

While I fully believe Ben Affleck could make a great Batman, this version of Batman is
the definitive take on Crazy Steve Batman from ASBAR because he murders and tortures people (at one point someone is set on fire thanks to his actions and is presumably killed), thinks he's always right in his conclusion while being a completely reckless and xenophobic gun-toting lunatic. Heck, there was a scene where Perry White refers to him as the "goddamn Batman". I bet if Robin *was* alive in this universe, he would make derogatory remarks to him before feeding him rats in the Batcave. Also, what the hell was up with the bats lifting up Bruce as a kid? That is not how physics work, no matter how good you try to make it look!
Don't get me started on Jessie Eisenberg's character, who was the most insufferable scene-chewing thing to appear in any modern superhero film. I say character because they sure as heck weren't Lex Luthor!
Maybe that piss is just his father's: He did say he left everything in his father's room the same place as it was before so...

The film is essentially a 2 & 1/2 hour long advertisement for what a morose mess the DCCU will be in the coming years, with cameos thrown in that slow down this repugnant bile to a crawl when it isn't being incredibly obnoxious. It's poorly edited, badly written trash. To explain why it's so wretched, i've come up with a list of comic book/comic book-related things you could better spend your time with than watching this movie:
-Read Batman Hush: A great story that, among its other accomplishments, has a believable fight between Batman and Superman while showing their unique relationship.
-Watch Deadpool: Funny, crude and full of heart, something Batman V. Superman completely lacks. Speaking of...
-Read Ms. Marvel: Admittedly the last main storyline (the one about Kamala's identity being used to support a real estate takeover of her neighbourhood brought about via
Hydra
) felt like it rushed towards the finale and could have used more time to fully flesh out its tale, it's the small moments of each individual issue that make up for any shortcomings in the pacing and conclusion of the overall story. There are very few tiny details to appreciate about this film outside of minor aesthetic details and the ending will leave you shouting out "NO! You did not earn that ending movie, shame!". I sincerely doubt the R-rated director's cut will make any of this any more enjoyable or inspiring than a young woman punching people with expanding fists while dealing with balancing out their personal life and superhero duties. Also the latest issue was pretty great.
-Check out Ellis' run on Moon Knight: Smart and sharp-looking (Shalvey's artwork is a feast for the eyes, especially in issue 2 & 3), it's a great anthology of sorts that still manages to tell a coherent story over the course of six comics as opposed to the myriad of poorly connected scenes exemplified in this film.
- Pick up any of the DCAU series on DVD and watch them. Any of them. Even the Zeta Project was better than this because at least that series understood Batman as a character, even if it was future Batman
-Apologize to the small children no doubt crying by the scary imagery as an icon of hope that aspires humanity to be better is wailed on/cut up by a CGi monster and a psychopath in a cape. They need someone to make them feel better because this film is so thoroughly nasty and unpleasant to sit through.

Short version: Batman v Superman only avoids being as bad as Fant4stic as a pretentiously stupid film that thinks it's smarter than it actually is by virtue of some well-shot scenes and for not being
as
boring. You have to aspire to make a film this bad. Much like Lex Luthor's piss, Batman V Superman blew up any good will the DCCU garnered up to this point.
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I'd like to add:
-Read All-Star Superman: It's one of Superman's best stories and for many a codifier as to what and who "jesus" Superman is. It also deals with (spoilers for BvS)
the death of Superman only in an interesting manner
.
 
Jack Remington said:
The average MCU film is a Renoir. Pretty good craftsmanship, not really doing anything all that interesting, but inoffensive. You don't stand there wondering how that made it into the gallery.

BvS is like a Picasso. Lots of people aren't going to like it, but it's trying things Renoir couldn't begin to attempt.
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It'd be more accurate if it was a half finished piece of Picasso art. With photographs of his other pieces plastered on top covering the original piece that's already hard enough to make out.

Edit: I agree with an earlier poster. This movie made me hate Superman. Thanks Snyder! He was only one of my favorite comic book characters.
 
Jack Remington said:
The average MCU film is a Renoir. Pretty good craftsmanship, not really doing anything all that interesting, but inoffensive. You don't stand there wondering how that made it into the gallery.

BvS is like a Picasso. Lots of people aren't going to like it, but it's trying things Renoir couldn't begin to attempt.
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This is a pretty good metaphor.
 
Jigorath said:
If you want a ranking it's something like...

1. Guardians
2. Winter Soldier
3. Iron Man 3
4. Cap1
5. Iron Man
6. Ant-Man
7. Avengers
8. Age of Ultron
9. Hulk
10. Thor
11. Iron Man 2
12. Thor 2



You mean generic as fuck. What we got was so much better.
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pretty solid list actually, kudos. would only swap iron man and iron man 3
 
Jack Remington said:
The average MCU film is a Renoir. Pretty good craftsmanship, not really doing anything all that interesting, but inoffensive. You don't stand there wondering how that made it into the gallery.

BvS is like a Picasso. Lots of people aren't going to like it, but it's trying things Renoir couldn't begin to attempt.
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LOL This movie ain't attempting to do shit other than trying to sell future movies.
 
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