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Battlefield 3 |OT| My Body is Advised
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sara_is_anxious
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MAG, 256 players, don't always believe what devs say.
The_Player
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But ComfyCouch!&Divius said:
Snkfanatic
Banned
TURNCLOAK said:
I do hope they do some kind of conversion like they did with Bad Company 2 (Vietnam). A classic WW2 style with this engine would be amazing.
BattleMonkey
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sara_is_anxious said:
It's MS and Live policy that keeps the player counts low from what I understand. MAG was a first party Sony game so they were able to do whatever they wanted.
The_Player
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Let me brag a little. First and only death at the very end of match. Got 7500 points from combat efficiency badges.
How is it a MS policy issue? Homefront did 32 and Frontlines back in the day was I think well over 50. I do not think this is accurate.
Here is the 360 art for Homefront
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3642594/Homefront-Xbox360CoverSleeve.jpg
Here is the 360 art for Homefront
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3642594/Homefront-Xbox360CoverSleeve.jpg
BattleMonkey
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U2NUMB said:
Actually think it's dependent on if there are dedicated servers set up for the game which could be the error. Games that are p2p have a limit, but if you have servers set up for the game then you can go high as you want. BF3 on consoles use dedicated EA servers no? If so then the game should be able to host more players in matches.
sara said:
theres the first party benefit as mentioned above but in mag you dont really play with 256 players, you are instanced in a much smaller battle that affects the overall outcome. (EDIT: i guess you do actually play with 256 players)
in battlefield vehicles and map destruction takes up a bunch of bandwidth. this is why you hear dice say they could do more players but destruction or vehicles would be cut.
all the data being sent and received during a multiplayer match has to fit under the size limit set by microsoft years ago. back then it was to ensure that players with bad connections could still play. however microsoft hasnt adjusted the limit along with ever increasing much higher internet speeds we have today.
EA runs the servers but they still have to adhere to microsofts xbox live requirements. it's stupid but people shouldnt blame microsoft. the limit likely hasnt changed because most developers dont need more bandwidth for their games. the dice guy admitted that they could request more bandwidth. here's the quote:
here's another quote that some might find interesting:
Jim E. Rossler
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Why does map destruction take up bandwidth? Shouldn't it just tell everyone player actions and the consoles themselves damage the maps based on those actions? I thought all you had to send was player coordinates and current action data, and the console would actually process what they mean.big_z said:
Metalmurphy
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I think the policy is about bandwidth and not just player amount. BF3 netcode most likely uses more bandwidth then homefront.
RibbedHero
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Regarding MAG, I think MAG might not download player co-ordinates, actions, etc for players a certain distance away.
E.G. Player A will not download Player Z's actions, etc until he is within 500 meters.
This is obviously pure speculation.
Additionally comparing MAG to BF3 is unfair due to the fact that
A)BF3 uses far more bandwidth per player than MAG and has destruction as well as vehicles
B)MAG was designed and built with 256 players in mind from the start, so the engine, character models, map design, etc were all catered towards meeting this goal. That was there USP.
E.G. Player A will not download Player Z's actions, etc until he is within 500 meters.
This is obviously pure speculation.
Additionally comparing MAG to BF3 is unfair due to the fact that
A)BF3 uses far more bandwidth per player than MAG and has destruction as well as vehicles
B)MAG was designed and built with 256 players in mind from the start, so the engine, character models, map design, etc were all catered towards meeting this goal. That was there USP.
OldJadedGamer
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Patrick Bateman said:
I just started playing Engineer again and it see,s like the RPG's are worthless against tanks versus C4. I am really fighting with it right now.
Metalmurphy
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big_z said:
They give different objectives to different squads but they can still choose to not follow them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_FEbTO8udg
BattleMonkey
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OldJadedGamer said:
Well C4 takes lot more work to use having to get in close. Some people are just more comfortable staying far away plinking away at the tanks than having to risk themselves getting close.
Metalmurphy
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abuC said:
Fix your filters?
I can find tons of servers servers with lots of people on all game modes.
The Faceless Master
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because there's a clause where the game is supposed to have feature parity with the PS3 version in certain areas and MS doesn't let the game pass cert.mcrae said:
bandwidth "problem" as in MS policies have a bandwidth limit on games that was laid out almost a decade ago and hasn't been upped to 2011 levels.derFeef said:
with the data from players, vehicles, destruction, etc, they're right at the limit.
The Faceless Master
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the policy is on BANDWIDTH USAGE, not PLAYERSU2NUMB said:
obviously, different games with different amounts of things to sync (players, vehicles, destruction, etc) will have different amounts of bandwidth usage.
there was a quote saying they could do way more than 24 players on console, but obviously, the framerate was worse and the bandwidth usage was beyond what the first parties allowed.
leng jai said:
Same here. Caspian Border and Kharg Island are the only two I really enjoy atm. Operation Firestorm is ok, but the CPs on the west side of the road are so same-y that I only have fun in aircraft.
I really wish DICE would rework the CPs on all maps to give them more strategic value. Make more vehicles spawn at certain CPs or something. Right now, teams just trade them back and forth and the only thing that matters is who holds more, which I understand is the basis of Conquest but it's not very strategic.
Getting rid of uncaps would be great too...at least make it a server option.
BattleMonkey said:
C4 used to get me when I was in a tank, but now I just listen for the stupid guy yelling "C4 planted!" I'm able to get out almost every time now, kill the dude, then continue on my merry way. It's a lot easier to kill a tank with RPGs. If the tank has a competent gunner and some cannister, forget C4.
Mag pretty mush was the best FPS this gen, ruined by the console player ethic of moving on when something new comes out and Zipper's reluctance to fix some shit before it was too late.
SVER easy mode etc etc.
Edit and MAG was full fucking 256 players, just check when I used to drop artillery strikes to help out other platoons, XP heaven, so please if you have not played the game shhhh
As for BF3 on consoles some of the maps do seem sparse to me, and not being able to climb the tower on Caspian is just BS
SVER easy mode etc etc.
Edit and MAG was full fucking 256 players, just check when I used to drop artillery strikes to help out other platoons, XP heaven, so please if you have not played the game shhhh
As for BF3 on consoles some of the maps do seem sparse to me, and not being able to climb the tower on Caspian is just BS
Anton Sugar
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Using a buggy/jeep to flank tanks and quickly plant C4 is such a rewarding art. Buddy in the jeep drops you off/distracts the tank while you plant C4.
The key is getting dropped off on the SIDE of the tank. Been run over too many times
The key is getting dropped off on the SIDE of the tank. Been run over too many times
PjotrStroganov
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I'm getting tired of chopper campers. Just make them spawnable like the jets.
OldJadedGamer
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BattleMonkey said:
It feels like it takes 5 rockets to do the damage of one C4.
commish said:
I usually never try to run away though. I blow myself up before they can get out. I have only been caught once or twice by a guy popping out of the tank. The folks that fail at C4 are the ones not willing to take one for the team.
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