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Battlefield 4 |OT2| Is it fixed yet?
- Thread starter Overdoziz
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Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
Yeah this is something that is totally ridiculous. Even in BF3 that had servers that rotated vanilla+DLC maps, so no excuses for this at all. Make some "premium" servers that rotate a little bit of everything.
Yep. Servers with all DLC is pretty much dead. They play the expansions for about two weeks and then go back to vanilla leaving the all-DLC/expansion various servers completely unfilled.
I'm not sure if the playerbase that is continuing to play doesn't have Premium or they simply don't care for all the maps. *shrug*
DICE should just give the maps out for free. Make guns or something Premium only or just drop Premium.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Pretty much this.
If you could quick match into official DICE Vanilla+All DLC servers then it would solve the problem, at least on consoles.
olimpia84
Member
That's exactly my plan for Hardline. Unless they offer Premium for very cheap I won't be touching it, vanilla maps should be good enough as far as content.
We should bombard their Twitter and battlelog forums saying how much we want all the dlc maps in one server; this is seriously stupid
Kane Zakharov
Banned
http://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield_4_CTE/comments/2tmu1a/no_dlc_servers/co0kkns
Looks like they'll be adding it next patch.
Looks like they'll be adding it next patch.
For consoles?
OdysseusVA
Banned
Should have been there with the last DLC. Better late than never, I guess.
Don't see why not.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Are emblems screwed up right now?
Just coming in to vent.
I cannot stand when people in my squad or not in my squad, grab the drivers seat of a vehicle/boat that I'm currently manning the gun and providing suppressive fire on the enemy so my teammates can go for the objective, and just start DRIVING OFF!
Stupid people who have no earthly clue how to play Battlefield.
I cannot stand when people in my squad or not in my squad, grab the drivers seat of a vehicle/boat that I'm currently manning the gun and providing suppressive fire on the enemy so my teammates can go for the objective, and just start DRIVING OFF!
Stupid people who have no earthly clue how to play Battlefield.
ElzarTheBam
Member
OdysseusVA
Banned
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!
Possibly.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
hopefully, mixing premium maps with vanilla will lead to more people playing the premium maps. Seems that since vanilla went on sale for $12 on the PS4 recently that those maps are always packed packed packed and the premium maps that aren't from Final Stand or BF3 can be hard to find a full server for at times.
kinda sucks because there are definitely some gems in those premium packs.
kinda sucks because there are definitely some gems in those premium packs.
Wishful thinking. If anything DICE adding mixed modes will just cause the mixed modes servers to be half-filled with Premium while the rest that don't give a damn stick with vanilla.
Wish there was a Mixed Sabotage server but alas the only one that is gets a max of 20 people on a good day, most of them being the server owners clan.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I can't help but keep noticing that you call Obliteration Sabotage every single time you talk about it despite being corrected.
There is no Sabotage in BF4, it is Obliteration.
There is no Sabotage in BF4, it is Obliteration.
OdysseusVA
Banned
He just really misses CoD
New patch today!? or is he talking about CTE. I really wish they would specify that stuff in their tweets. :|
There's no helping it. Same way he calls ranks over 100, Prestige 1-40 lol.
Kane Zakharov
Banned
The mixed DLC server thing is indeed for consoles, PC version had this since the beginning as far as I'm aware.
CTE ofc, and he does specify it.
Yeah but then people would no longer have to guess what he's talking about.
I'm not sure why you keep saying nobody plays with the DLC maps, there are several all DLC CQL servers that are usually near full and even have a queue right now on PC.
But saying the correct acronyms, modes, and ranks would make it easy for other people to understand what he's talking about and not look seemingly intentionally vague.
CTE ofc, and he does specify it.
Yeah but then people would no longer have to guess what he's talking about.
I'm not sure why you keep saying nobody plays with the DLC maps, there are several all DLC CQL servers that are usually near full and even have a queue right now on PC.
But saying the correct acronyms, modes, and ranks would make it easy for other people to understand what he's talking about and not look seemingly intentionally vague.
The Faceless Master
Member
y'all know Seks been on this obtuse name scheme kick since *at least* BF2MC right?
Looks like BF4 ($14) and Premium ($24) are on sale on both Xbox and PS4 starting today apparently.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=980666
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=980666
Bridge Too Fail is so much fail. I dunno why the playerbase for Modern Combat wants that to return. Blech.
Kane said:
Maybe in Conquest in other modes? *crickets*
Two servers of 8: 20% of the available servers are DLC enabled: 1 being ALL. That one being damn near dead. The other has 90% of the DLC maps: A bit better but still damn near dead compared to vanilla servers.
Let's remove the free spots available to find empty servers, shall we?:
28 available servers in North America. 13 of which are DLC enabled. 15 being Vanilla. So closer to 45% being DLC enabled. Of which:
Three are 5/5. 2 are 4/5. 2 are 3/5. 6 are 1/5 of the various map packs. No clean consistency.
I would not be surprised if Conquest has similar percentages of of DLC maps. I'm sure you'll go and try to prove me wrong by "SEE IT'S MORE POPULAR IN CONQUEST" and that's great but: The playerbase seems to prefer playing on vanilla and any DLC enabled servers are mostly dead outside of Conquest which I wouldn't doubt has a similar "Vanilla = populated. DLC = mixed bag" problem.
Oh and before I forget: At the time; 2 of the 28 DLC are filled. Of which One is max/server full.
The player base (even for Conquest I'm sure) would suggest a lot of people aren't buying the map packs OR premium and rather happy sticking with vanilla for the life of the game.
So... why should DICE sell Premium? It seems like the fanbase doesn't give a damn about the maps unless handed them.
SharpAttorney
Neo Member
It's not that they don't exist. Private servers can mix, but they won't auto fill and thus never seem to fill consistantly enough to make renting one worth it.
Are you saying that PC has official Dice servers with mixed content since the beginning?
No, he's saying what you're saying. Private/rent-a-servers can do it.
And like you said which is what I said about the PC base ("B-B-BUT CONQUEST!!!"-Kane): Most people don't play on those servers.
OdysseusVA
Banned
You poor soul. You've known him that long?
The Faceless Master
Member
That's not what I'm saying at all.
What I'm saying is that despite being a more popular mode (to counter Kane) the Conquest servers more than likely have the same "no one really fills the DLC servers" issues.
"OH BUT FIVE SERVERS ARE FILLED COMPARED TO RUSHES 1!"
Out of how many DLC servers for Conquest? Yeahhhhhh that's where I'm coming from.
Conquest may have more servers, but it runs into the same issue that other modes run into: No one wants to play those maps/fill those servers. You having a few more than other modes doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's not hard to see: Same shit happened in BF3 where "premium" was sold maps were played for two weeks on all modes and then everyone went back to Vanilla BF3. Same shit here.
Search (servers with players) and it's probably 50/50.
OdysseusVA
Banned
So no one is having issues with emblems showing up in-game?
Then good. The question then becomes: Why are people playing DLC servers on Conquest versus other modes?
Because DICE continues to shoe-horn modes into one map.
(Except I still believe that the majority of the playerbase doesn't have Premium. Otherwise there'd be a LOT more servers offering DLC maps.)
Probably this.
Then it comes back to what I was saying earlier: Since barely anyone plays (OH BUT CONQUEST!-Kane. Shhhhhhhh.-Me) the DLC maps because it's "Premium or Piece-meal:" DICE should just drop the Premium and give the maps out for free. I'd say the DLC servers they have right now would fill up a lot more than they do if the 80% of the playerbase that doesn't have Premium could actually access that content.
But then the question from EA would be: "So how do we sell Premium if we can't sell the maps?"
Well that's harder to answer but maybe the guns: more 2XP (maybe perma-on? IDK) weekends, faster progression. More stats or something. IDK." I, honestly, think Premium is a shitty service and the only "value" it has is getting the maps/guns for $15 less than piecemeal. Though, BF4 added the "Phantom" ARG/bow to attempt to give more value to the service.
Kane Zakharov
Banned
Then mention that you are talking about other modes rather than Conquest. It's not hard to add that tiny bit of information, you don't expect us to read your mind, do you?
At the time of this post there are at least 7 all DLC + vanilla Conquest Large normal mode servers in North America that are completely full and some even have queues, and this is with less than half a minute of checking the filters and browsing through the wonky server browser.
I never said the majority of the player base doesn't play vanilla, that wasn't my point at all. I only said there are a comfortable amount of CQL servers with all the DLC maps available that are at least near full. Saying nobody plays on the DLC maps is being disingenuous.
I know you're still bitter about Rush, but that doesn't mean you should expect everyone to assume you are talking about Rush rather than Conquest for this game. Either way, adding that information would clarify what specific mode you are mainly talking about.
We don't have any official DICE servers on PC, but we do have servers with the "official" tag that has mixed DLC and vanilla rotations.
I thought the issue was that players weren't able to have mixed DLC servers with official settings on consoles (since official servers are the ones that qualify for matchmaking/quick match, right?). Are console players unable to make servers on official settings with mixed DLC? Or does most of the player base generally prefer to play on DICE servers instead?
Premium for BF4 wasn't as good as the one for BF3, and the issues BF4 had for several months probably didn't help either. Since they might include the extra maps for this year for free for Premium members (while selling them seperately for non-Premium members), we might see more people pick it up, especially since it's only gonna get cheaper as time goes on.
Yes you did with your "BUT CONQUEST!" retort. No shit Conquest is a more popular mode. It doesn't change what I said: The playerbase does not play on DLC maps, no matter how popular/unpopular the mode is.
It's been like this since BF3. People prefer to play on [DICE]/EA/P# servers over rent-a-server. That said, I don't think DICE adding DLC maps is going to change the issue for the console playerbase. I'd love to be proven wrong and see that hey DICE actually providing servers for people instead of forcing people to rent would jump them up.
The only benefit (IMO) that PC has in regards to rent-a-server is the map vote plugin AND "active admins." Otherwise I'd vastly prefer DICE to give [DICE] official servers on PC like they do consoles where they have "base rules" like 32p Rush that can't be changed because no one admins the server and it's paid by EA.
Main issue is almost everyone quick matches (willing to bet a lot have never even tried to use the browser) into vanilla even if they have Premium because who wants to queue for just 4 maps, some of which you might not even like. A unified quick match for all of the maps would be used a lot more than the current queue for individual DLC.
Kane Zakharov
Banned
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Where exactly does it say that the majority of the player base plays on DLC maps?
What you said is irrelevant to the point I made earlier (it's also not true because I mentioned multiple times that there is a comfortable amount of full CQL servers with all DLC available), keep moving those goalposts though.
I understand the quick matches thing, I'm just wondering about whether or not it works for non-DICE servers that still have the official settings tag. Since you can have servers with official settings on PC and also have mixed DLC rotations available on them.
lostsupper
Banned
Quirks.
Kane Zakharov
Banned
I think Premium is one way in attempting to not fragment the player base too much by giving players incentives to get the whole DLC package. That way they get the DLC money they crave for and players are less likely to be buying specific expansion packs separately. Not to mention Premium gets really cheap as time goes on (24 bucks on Xbox One right now).
DICE has been selling several expansion packs ever since the very first BF game, if anything Premium is actually really nice for players who know they are going to be spending a lot of time on the game and don't want to keep buying the DLC separately, plus you get some extras on top of that as well.
adamsappel
Member
The reason people don't play DLC servers isn't because of modes, it's because only having four maps in a rotation means you play the crappy ones far too often.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
None of the map packs have been 100% hits. There is always a stinker or two in there, which sucks. I could play in a Back to Karkand server forever in BF3 but I can't stay in a Second Assault server once Firestorm and Metro pop up.
SharpAttorney
Neo Member
One of the greatest thing about karkand is that every map had variations of the same map. The large versions played very different than the small and on top of that they had conquest assault modes. Dice hasn't put anywhere near as much thought into a DLC since.