Yeah... gonna disagree with that, strongly. Jet pilots are mostly flying around and maybe taking one or two vehicles out unless they're somehow GDLK pilots and even then they're still flying around waiting for the next jet to come up to do another pointless mini-game-within-the-game jet-dogfighting sequence.
I know what I'm contributing to the team when I fly. Stealth jets are the only major problem when it comes to contributing to the team because they only have the shitty LGMs for Air to Ground capabilities once they have dealt with air vehicles. Of which having hydra missiles would be a better alternative because that means good aiming is promoted and encouraged to make the most out of them.
Yes. Double-so since all they do is fly around and wait for the next jet to pop-up in Rush. Might as well take them out.
Right, because taking down tanks and other armored vehicles, clearing enemy mines for your teammates and killing some infantry here and there is somehow completely irrelevant. All they do is just dogfight, totally.
"Helicopters are flying coffins now. Stingers are too strong! Flying coffins! Stingers!"
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"Helicopters actually are still powerful when used by people who are dedicated in flying them."
Make up your mind, man.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Fly an attack helicopter in a full conquest match and see how you do compared to someone who spent dozens of hours flying the things. And yes, stingers are too strong against helicopters.
Here's the thing:
Tanks and Humvees add support and can go to objectives and cap and arm while providing cover for said cap and arming.
Helicopters can provide some support roles and maybe start a cap support before flying away.
Jets? Uh... um... *crickets*. Dogfighting simulator with SAY THAT TO MY FACE FUCKER ONLINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS 1v1 MATE people.
But since DICE can't even balance the air vehicles to where they aren't useless/too powerful, they might as well take them out and make it ground vehicles/infantry.
Jets provide support for the tanks and humvees to get to their objective safely as well. You need to stop presenting that "jets only dogfight" argument when you rarely fly jets to begin with. Again, jets do their job well when being used by good pilots, just because you can't utilize them well doesn't mean they are pointless.
Sure. Helicopters, I can see (B-B-BUT FLYING COFFINS NOW</helicopter pilots and Kane>). Jets? No. Not really. Sure, they can take one or two tanks out per strafe run, maybe. But you're missing the point: They can't cap objectives, they don't really DO what you say they are supposed to do... they're pointless. Evolved had this opinion in BF3 and I was ambivalent to them but seeing them in BF4? I gotta agree. I don't see the point of them.
Tanks are pretty damn important assets to a team taking out one or two in a strafe is a pretty major blow to the enemy team, and not to mention the jet can quickly come back for another strafe on other targets as well.
What are jets apparently supposed to be doing that they aren't doing? I heard tanks can't arm an MCOM either. Stealth jets are the ones that need tweaking in their role, but that's pretty much it.
You don't see the point that jets take down important ground and air assets and help their teammates on the ground gain the upperhand and control the battlefield?
Ignoring the bold. No, the air mechanic is shit because it isn't properly thought out. It's either 1) overpowered or 2) underpowered while 3) not adding to the "sandbox" in the case of jets. In helicopters, you at least have them engaging and moving around efficiently to be air support. Jet's may support, but their ability is strongly hindered and so it's basically a mini-game of dogfighting.
Air mechanic is shit
to you because you never use them. The physics aren't realistic and are far from perfect, but thankfully at the end of the day this is a game. Dogfighting is another element of the game that makes it more than simply taking down other air and ground targets. You want pilots from both teams to agree to not kill each other instead just so they can play the objective that you keep demanding for? Shit we should do that with tanks, they're hindered by tank battles so we might as well just not let them fight each other and make them
play the objective! It'll be like a pacifist version of Conquest.
I've got to agree, to a certain degree. Planes are valuable if they have a lot of air support (helis + gunship + maybe other planes) and/or a Paracel/Water map. But if the entire team is on the ground capturing points, planes can be semi useless, agreed.
In my time with the Drunken squad, I've felt the impact if one of us goes flying (specifically Spl1nter). Multiple times I've asked him to get off the jet and help us control the points. Sure, he may be 30-0, but the other team is dominating the ground either way. Therefore, with basis on personal experience and 0 bias, I can conclude jets most of the time suck.
If the team isn't getting their shit together and are losing badly on the ground, you think 1 more soldier on the ground instead of in the air is going to change that outcome? Even if Spl1nter gets off the jet and gets in a tank instead, how is he somehow going to manage overcoming an enemy team that's flat-out playing better than his?
If spl1nter keeps using his jet he can still kill enemy tanks and other vehicles and help you attack or defend an objective, and if that still isn't enough help, then I don't see how getting on the ground instead is going to change much of that. Of course being on the ground means he can help better in certain scenarios, but that still doesn't change the fact that the enemy team is shitting on his.
Jets add another layer of fun to the game. Take those out and even though I rarely fly I'd probably just quit the game. That's part of the reason why I think the BC games are by far the worst games in the series.
They also add another layer of complexity in the game too, of one that very few people care to delve into. Removing them would be (dare I say) dumbing down the game.
I did think of you on Rush Kharg, but that was BF3.
...I sense a pattern forming. Back in BF3 when jets were 'OP' people thanked you. Now that they're more balanced, no one gives a shit.
Attack jets still kill every single enemy target in the game with a clean strafe, they are more balanced in this game than in BF3, but that doesn't mean they don't get the job done almost just as well as they used to.
