Last call, will the Switch surpass the PS2 or not?

BlueManifest said:
Anything over 160 beats ps2 there isn't question
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I agree in principle, because Sony stubbornly refuses to release exact sales numbers, while Nintendo is fairly transparent about that, but in practice you're definitely going to have a lot of people arguing that "over 160 million" could mean anything between 160 and 165.
 
blacktout said:
I agree in principle, because Sony stubbornly refuses to release exact sales numbers, while Nintendo is fairly transparent about that, but in practice you're definitely going to have a lot of people arguing that "over 160 million" could mean anything between 160 and 165.
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Over 160 million means more than 160 but less than 161, if it was 161 they would say that
 
Yeah I think it will. It will keep getting support for years because there are so many in the wild, like ps2 did. It is still outselling ps5 in Japan despite Switch 2 being out.
 
K' Dash said:
You're about to have your dreams shattered breh.
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Ouch


Deerock71 said:
I'm pretty sure, aside from units sold, the Switch has crushed all the other PS2 metrics measurable.
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I'm thinking in terms of market size. The gaming space is bigger now than it was 20-25 years ago, so I'd imagine there's some sort of ratio where PS2 did what it did despite a smaller market/population/whatever. But I'm happy to be wrong, I have no horse in this race
 
BlueManifest said:
Over 160 million means more than 160 but less than 161, if it was 161 they would say that
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Would they? I'm not trying to be confrontational here, because I agree the we should use the lower bounds regardless for ranking, since that's all that has been confirmed, but it seems like Sony rounds this data down to the nearest 5 million units, since previous they were saying "over 155 million units" and not something more precise.
 
If the gap is really just 5 million-ish sales, then I don't see how they fail to achieve that over the next two to three years.

It would be one thing if Switch 2 was more or less the same price, but given the price difference, there will still be Switch and Switch Lite buyers, especially over the holidays.
 
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Soodanim said:
Ouch



I'm thinking in terms of market size. The gaming space is bigger now than it was 20-25 years ago, so I'd imagine there's some sort of ratio where PS2 did what it did despite a smaller market/population/whatever. But I'm happy to be wrong, I have no horse in this race
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I confess I was thinking of $$$.
 
BlueManifest said:
Over 160 million means more than 160 but less than 161, if it was 161 they would say that
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blacktout said:
Would they? I'm not trying to be confrontational here, because I agree the we should use the lower bounds regardless for ranking, since that's all that has been confirmed, but it seems like Sony rounds this data down to the nearest 5 million units, since previous they were saying "over 155 million units" and not something more precise.
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We have an exact number. 160,636,885.

So, 161M needed.
 
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Gaiff said:
We have an exact number. 160,636,885.

So, 161M needed.
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Oh shit! I'm actually really happy to be wrong. It's good to have this mystery finally solved. Where's that number from?

Edit: Never mind, just googled it and I see Shawn Layden essentially confirmed this number, so it's almost certainly legit.
 
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Notorious_Roy said:
No.

PS2 had the dvd player and basically the whole console market to itself. Maybe if PS6 is going to bomb, which it will not.

Also, Switch 2 is nothing more than a stronger Switch 1. No unique features. It'll do just fine at around 90M in six years.
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They said Switch, not Switch 2. Switch 1 is definitely outselling PS2.
 
blacktout said:
Yep, I found an article about it on google. Looks like Shawn Layden replied to the tweet and confirmed the number though, so I think it's fair to say that it must be reasonably accurate.
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At least they can't come with a higher number now… But everything is possibly. 5 million more can come from PS2 minis.
 
PS2 is a home console, SW is a portable and If you dont believe me, look at SW lite (all Lite 25mil sales counts as SW life time sales )

The only one Switch can dethrone is DS.
 
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Lokaum D+ said:
PS2 is a home console, SW is a portable and If you dont believe me, look at SW lite (ALL Lite Sales counts as SW life time sales)
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OK, let's accept this premise. Even so, no handheld has ever outsold the PS2, so it won't be any less impressive if the Switch is the first one to do it.

The handheld/console distinction is pretty irrelevant here, honestly, since it seems like the size and constitution of both markets are very similar. Both have historically capped out around 155/160 million units, with the vast majority of successful consoles and handhelds since 2000 selling between 75 and 120 million units.
 
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It already has more than likely. Sony are dishonest fucking snakes who will keep finding another ten million PS2's down the back of the sofa when it suits them to do so.
 
Lokaum D+ said:
PS2 is a home console, SW is a portable and If you dont believe me, look at SW lite (all Lite 25mil sales counts as SW life time sales )

The only one Switch can dethrone is DS.
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PS2 is a hybrid DVD Player and gaming console, Switch is a hybrid gaming console and Handheld. Only one is dedicated only for gaming and that's a merit.
 
Not if they keep the price. After four years PS2 cut the price in half. Six years in it was 43% of the price. Switch didn't have that price drop. Switch is also a purely gaming machine. A lot of PS2 were used for DVDs as they were a cheap DVD player at the time. Not sure anything touches the PS2 since it was good hardware for the price at the time. Oh and Sony keeps adding to the total. As soon as Switch gets closer another random 5 million will show up lol.

Really though, PS2 was still supported somewhat after the PS3 came out. I don't think the same could be said for the Switch. That and no price drop will keep the Switch from beating it.
 
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Nerds will keep discussing the semantics of it, all that matters is getting that big number so you can market the switch 2 as the sequel to the best selling console of all time
 
Unlikely

The Switch 1 was a success because it was somewhat cheap, gaming was booming and the quarantines.

The successor is more expensive, gaming is slowing down and losing ground to social media and there shouldnt be any quarantines that have a lot of families locked in and with money to spent on a video console.
 
KenaiPhoenix said:
Unlikely

The Switch 1 was a success because it was somewhat cheap, gaming was booming and the quarantines.

The successor is more expensive, gaming is slowing down and losing ground to social media and there shouldnt be any quarantines that have a lot of families locked in and with money to spent on a video console.
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The OP asked whether Switch 1 will surpass PS2, not Switch 2.

EDIT: Fair points all though. I also doubt that Switch 2 can match Switch 1 in sales.
 
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Switch has it sold so much at full price where ps2 was $99 at the end.

If the switch would have hit $99 the last 2 years it would have tripled its sells.
 
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I'm kind of doubting it. Switch sales have dropped off a cliff now that the Switch 2 is out. As someone stated above, the market is going to be flooded with used Switches from people buying Switch 2.

We should get a real picture of it's possible after this holiday season.
 
I think PS2 wasn't necessarily a gaming console many were excited about its DVD aspects and the provable solution to that is bundle the next console with something of interest like VR, AI or some new media format
 
EverydayBeast said:
I think PS2 wasn't necessarily a gaming console many were excited about its DVD aspects and the provable solution to that is bundle the next console with something of interest like VR, AI or some new media format
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That novelty was the hybrid concept… VR is too expensive to be included in the package and AI is already in phones, the only thing that Sony or Microsoft can do, is follow Nintendo… And could be great.
 
LordOcidax said:
Very low chances for this year or almost impossible, is going to end this year probably around 156-157 Millions… 2026 Christmas is a safer bet.
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Ok. I'll slightly alter my post to say "in order to not match or surpass PS2, Nintendo would have to stop production by end of 2026. ***Which of course won't happen."

(Switch will absolutely pass PS2, there's just no doubt whatsoever).
 
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Dr. Wilkinson said:
Ok. I'll slightly alter my post to say "in order to not match or surpass PS2, Nintendo would have to stop production by end of 2026. ***Which of course won't happen."

(Switch will absolutely pass PS2, there's just no doubt whatsoever).
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That last 6 million it needs can be hard when it's sales slow down to 1 million or less per quarter because of switch 2
 
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