BlueManifest
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Anything over 160 beats ps2 there isn't question
Last call, will the Switch surpass the PS2 or not?
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Lionel Richie
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I'm not sure friend, but it will get pretty close which is insane.
blacktout
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I agree in principle, because Sony stubbornly refuses to release exact sales numbers, while Nintendo is fairly transparent about that, but in practice you're definitely going to have a lot of people arguing that "over 160 million" could mean anything between 160 and 165.
Gaiff
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BlueManifest
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Over 160 million means more than 160 but less than 161, if it was 161 they would say that
BennyBlanco
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Yeah I think it will. It will keep getting support for years because there are so many in the wild, like ps2 did. It is still outselling ps5 in Japan despite Switch 2 being out.
Soodanim
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Ouch
I'm thinking in terms of market size. The gaming space is bigger now than it was 20-25 years ago, so I'd imagine there's some sort of ratio where PS2 did what it did despite a smaller market/population/whatever. But I'm happy to be wrong, I have no horse in this race
blacktout
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Would they? I'm not trying to be confrontational here, because I agree the we should use the lower bounds regardless for ranking, since that's all that has been confirmed, but it seems like Sony rounds this data down to the nearest 5 million units, since previous they were saying "over 155 million units" and not something more precise.
Dr. Wilkinson
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At this point they would have to literally stop all production in order for it to not surpass it by end of this current fiscal year.
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LordOcidax
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Very low chances for this year or almost impossible, is going to end this year probably around 156-157 Millions… 2026 Christmas is a safer bet.
Zannegan
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If the gap is really just 5 million-ish sales, then I don't see how they fail to achieve that over the next two to three years.
It would be one thing if Switch 2 was more or less the same price, but given the price difference, there will still be Switch and Switch Lite buyers, especially over the holidays.
It would be one thing if Switch 2 was more or less the same price, but given the price difference, there will still be Switch and Switch Lite buyers, especially over the holidays.
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Deerock71
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I confess I was thinking of $$$.
Gaiff
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blacktout
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Oh shit! I'm actually really happy to be wrong. It's good to have this mystery finally solved. Where's that number from?
Edit: Never mind, just googled it and I see Shawn Layden essentially confirmed this number, so it's almost certainly legit.
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LordOcidax
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A random image from twitter
. With a 3D printed stand.
Sooner
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It had plenty of competitors. Xbox, Nintendo GameCube and Sega Dreamcast. They just all bombed massively.
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SegaSnatcher
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They said Switch, not Switch 2. Switch 1 is definitely outselling PS2.
blacktout
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A random image from twitter
Yep, I found an article about it on google. Looks like Shawn Layden replied to the tweet and confirmed the number though, so I think it's fair to say that it must be reasonably accurate.
onnextflix5
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Maybe, won't be easy tho, they have like 8 million to go right,
LordOcidax
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At least they can't come with a higher number now… But everything is possibly. 5 million more can come from PS2 minis.
Lionel Richie
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Both are gaming hardware.
Lokaum D+
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Not the way it works, at least wasnt that way till last week
Also, If we are counting gaming hardware PC sold 224mil units as 2024.
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blacktout
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OK, let's accept this premise. Even so, no handheld has ever outsold the PS2, so it won't be any less impressive if the Switch is the first one to do it.
The handheld/console distinction is pretty irrelevant here, honestly, since it seems like the size and constitution of both markets are very similar. Both have historically capped out around 155/160 million units, with the vast majority of successful consoles and handhelds since 2000 selling between 75 and 120 million units.
Plies
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Calm down, pal.
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FoxMcChief
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LordOcidax
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PS2 is a hybrid DVD Player and gaming console, Switch is a hybrid gaming console and Handheld. Only one is dedicated only for gaming and that's a merit.
Sleepwalker
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Hey if they were to make a re release of brand new PS2s I probably would buy a couple.
Not if they keep the price. After four years PS2 cut the price in half. Six years in it was 43% of the price. Switch didn't have that price drop. Switch is also a purely gaming machine. A lot of PS2 were used for DVDs as they were a cheap DVD player at the time. Not sure anything touches the PS2 since it was good hardware for the price at the time. Oh and Sony keeps adding to the total. As soon as Switch gets closer another random 5 million will show up lol.
Really though, PS2 was still supported somewhat after the PS3 came out. I don't think the same could be said for the Switch. That and no price drop will keep the Switch from beating it.
Really though, PS2 was still supported somewhat after the PS3 came out. I don't think the same could be said for the Switch. That and no price drop will keep the Switch from beating it.
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ReBurn
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Jim found them in his desk drawer when he was boxing up his stuff.
KenaiPhoenix
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Unlikely
The Switch 1 was a success because it was somewhat cheap, gaming was booming and the quarantines.
The successor is more expensive, gaming is slowing down and losing ground to social media and there shouldnt be any quarantines that have a lot of families locked in and with money to spent on a video console.
The Switch 1 was a success because it was somewhat cheap, gaming was booming and the quarantines.
The successor is more expensive, gaming is slowing down and losing ground to social media and there shouldnt be any quarantines that have a lot of families locked in and with money to spent on a video console.
Zannegan
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The OP asked whether Switch 1 will surpass PS2, not Switch 2.
EDIT: Fair points all though. I also doubt that Switch 2 can match Switch 1 in sales.
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Gaiff
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And this matters because?
thismeinteil
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I'm kind of doubting it. Switch sales have dropped off a cliff now that the Switch 2 is out. As someone stated above, the market is going to be flooded with used Switches from people buying Switch 2.
We should get a real picture of it's possible after this holiday season.
We should get a real picture of it's possible after this holiday season.
EverydayBeast
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I think PS2 wasn't necessarily a gaming console many were excited about its DVD aspects and the provable solution to that is bundle the next console with something of interest like VR, AI or some new media format
LordOcidax
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That novelty was the hybrid concept… VR is too expensive to be included in the package and AI is already in phones, the only thing that Sony or Microsoft can do, is follow Nintendo… And could be great.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Ok. I'll slightly alter my post to say "in order to not match or surpass PS2, Nintendo would have to stop production by end of 2026. ***Which of course won't happen."
(Switch will absolutely pass PS2, there's just no doubt whatsoever).
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BlueManifest
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That last 6 million it needs can be hard when it's sales slow down to 1 million or less per quarter because of switch 2