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[ExpandKong]

It did and it was nice to see how conflicted he was throughout the first movie, but they carried it on for far too long in TLJ. He's definitely the best character from the new trilogy for me. I can't see how his arc will finish though; with redemption, death or maybe even becoming a new emperor?

He’s kind of the best by default though, since he’s the only new character they bothered to give any depth at all. Finn is about halfway there if they’d do something with his Stormtrooper past other than “hey I know where the shield generator is because I was a janitor, that makes sense right?” Rey might as well have been named Ma-rhi Suu, I don’t know what’s going on with Poe other than they decided to make him a complete fucking idiot in TLJ, I keep forgetting Rose even exists and that’s probably for the better, Snoke was little more than a prop, and Phasma is an action figure advert.

I actually didn’t really like Kylo Ren until the beginning of TLJ when Snoke points out how stupid his Vader fixation is, that was mildly entertaining.

 

[Fbh]

My bet is that he will somehow be forced into betraying the heroes but ends up making up for it by sacrificing himself to save them later on.

Since it's JJ writing he will be unable to not include a "hey, remember this from the old movies?!?!?!?!?" moment. But then they kill him to "surprise" us and because of course they'll kill him

 

[The Skull]

100% agree. The new trilogy has turned into a "let's methodically kill beloved characters" fest. Plus with Fisher being actually dead they're going to have to remove her character as well. Who is even left for the last movie other than Lando? Chewy? C3PO? Woo. Star Wars is pretending to be Game of Thrones and it's not a good look.

while I get that Ford wanted Solo dead, it actually made sense for KR's transition to the dark side but my god they handled Luke terribly and yeah they're really screwed with the unfortunate passing of Carrie. I mean Luke's death is literally just Obi Wan's. He distracts the enemy whilst the others escape on the Falcon and now most of the resistance is dead, but his on screen reunion with Leia was handled well and a a great moment, so credit where credit is due.

 

[Arkage]

Wicket,perhaps?

That would actually be pretty cool.

 

[King of Foxes]

So the fans will be racist anti Black Lives Matter incel manbabies after the next movie is shit?

 

[PerezDeCorcho]

They're desperate to find a reason for fans to return.

 

[Ichabod]

After TLJ my expectations couldn't be any lower. Maybe Lando can save the franchise through the power of his sexual fluidity.

 

[ChrisDude]

Well yeah, can’t focus on ultimate Jedi badass Rey with all those pesky lovable OT characters laying about. They’ll probably have Lando and Chewie die from carbon monoxide poisoning after they leave the Falcon running too long inside a hangar.



She’ll probably bankrupt the first order by winning all the money in the galaxy in a high-stakes space poker tournament.



My favorite part was when Luke, who tried to save Darth Vader and even the fucking Emperor from the dark side, jumped immediately to

Spoiler

attempted child murder

as a solution to the problem with his nephew.

Omg people still dont understand this? Luke never tried to kill Ben! He looked into his future and was shortly shocked by what he saw would happen that he lost controll for a second and turned on his light saber. He even said he immideatly felt ashamed and never intended to kill Ben. The same happend with Vader in Episode 6 when Luke shortly lost controll out of fear for his sister and actually tried to kill vader before calming down. Here he was just unlucky enough to have Ben woken up and see the light saber and immideatly defend himself before Luke could exlain himself.

 

[The Skull]

Omg people still dont understand this? Luke never tried to kill Ben! He looked into his future and was shortly shocked by what he saw would happen that he lost controll for a second and turned on his light saber. He even said he immideatly felt ashamed and never intended to kill Ben. The same happend with Vader in Episode 6 when Luke shortly lost controll out of fear for his sister and actually tried to kill vader before calming down. Here he was just unlucky enough to have Ben woken up and see the light saber and immideatly defend himself before Luke could exlain himself.

Slightly different, as he was fighting Vader and the emperor was trying to get Luke to give in to the dark side, as was Vader. I think this scene has become more a meme than anything now and I guess that Luke could generally act like this, but there's just too many unanswered questions and his character after that just seemed off. How did Snoke get to Ben? Was it through those force skype calls? Even after Luke "failed" Ben, it's incredibly unbelievable that he would abandon his best friend and sister after losing their son to the dark side.

 

[Darko]

Great so they can kill him and make a prequel noone watches

 

[ExpandKong]

Omg people still dont understand this? Luke never tried to kill Ben! He looked into his future and was shortly shocked by what he saw would happen that he lost controll for a second and turned on his light saber. He even said he immideatly felt ashamed and never intended to kill Ben. The same happend with Vader in Episode 6 when Luke shortly lost controll out of fear for his sister and actually tried to kill vader before calming down. Here he was just unlucky enough to have Ben woken up and see the light saber and immideatly defend himself before Luke could exlain himself.

Golly gee you’re right, I guess Luke temporarily losing his cool while fighting for his life against two powerful Sith lords is the exact same thing as contemplating murdering his sleeping nephew, to the point of actually turning on his lightsaber.

 

[MoFuzz]

Omg people still dont understand this? Luke never tried to kill Ben! He looked into his future and was shortly shocked by what he saw would happen that he lost controll for a second and turned on his light saber. He even said he immideatly felt ashamed and never intended to kill Ben. The same happend with Vader in Episode 6 when Luke shortly lost controll out of fear for his sister and actually tried to kill vader before calming down. Here he was just unlucky enough to have Ben woken up and see the light saber and immideatly defend himself before Luke could exlain himself.

Why would two people highly trained in the usage of the force have these silly "romantic comedy" levels of mistaken feelings? Wouldn't their intuition and sense of emotional attachment be heightened, particularly if they have a blood bond?

The whole premise is flimsy as shit IMO.

 

[manfestival]

I feel like the move is only to have some extra appeal for warm and fuzzy feeling in the trailer to win some fans over. Killing him isn't really a big deal though. The resistance is tiny enough as it is. If he dies... he dies

 

[Alfadawg]

I'm of the view that Disney knew TLJ was a turd but reshoots would have attracted unwanted attention ala Solo.

So they bought some hype

 

[prag16]

Wicket,perhaps?

Jar Jar

But wait nevermind he was Snoke so yeah he's already dead too.

 

[ChrisDude]

Golly gee you’re right, I guess Luke temporarily losing his cool while fighting for his life against two powerful Sith lords is the exact same thing as contemplating murdering his sleeping nephew, to the point of actually turning on his lightsaber.

He didnt loose his cool the entire fight and didnt really care for his life as he told the emperor to kill him before the fight, only when something he cared for came into play he went nuts for a moment.

 

[Derekloffin]

That is cool about Billy Dee but the big news is they might be bringing in Ventress which will finally put a legit villain in this thing and it makes everybody happy because she is a badass female.

Pretty sure Ventress already got killed of in some novel. Even if she isn't though, she'd be bloody ancient now.

 

[NiiloPielinen]

Rian and Kathleen killed any chance of that though.

JJ gave them a nice pass for a lay up and they shot a brick.

Luke is dead, so unless they have ghost Luke all of next movie there isn't anything that can be fixed. Rey's parents are nobodies. So unless they pull a huge retcon they killed that storyline as well.

Not to mention ruining Finn, Poe and Mazz and Snoke. TLJ was character assassination on the work JJ did. And TBH I didn't even really like TFA that much and could feel JJ's mystery boxes all over it. But expand on those boxes don't stomp on them and throw them in the trash.

I agree that JJ used TFA to set up several intriguing plots that TLJ then screwed up.

Though, Rey's parents could be fixed by revealing that Kylo was just talking out of his ass trying to bullshit her to join him. She still could be a Skywalker that was receiving jedi training until Kylo happened and everyone involved had their minds force-wiped to protect her. Maybe a daughter of Luke and Mara Jade.

IX has a lot of work to do to repair the damage.

 

[caffeware]

Rumors: Disney is already looking for Kennedy's replacement, but nobody so far has accepted the job. JJ was one of the candidates.

Supposedly, the staff is as divided as the fans.

 

[ruvikx]

I'm of the view that Disney knew TLJ was a turd but reshoots would have attracted unwanted attention ala Solo.

So they bought some hype

It still doesn't explain 'how' Rian Johnson was gifted another trilogy. Beyond all the crap associated with these new movies, i.e. the insertion of current-year culture wars, politics, shit tier wannabe Spaceballs humor written by morons, online spats between fans & Disney employees etc. I still maintain the single greatest clusterfuck & irredeemable error made by Dinsey was their inability to actually write a real trilogy with a real story arc. Love or hate The Last Jedi, but even its most ardent defenders must realize the second part of a trilogy shouldn't just randomly crap all over plot threads initiated in the first one.

For example when the smarmy, self-aggrandizing smug critics/media retorted "Rey parents don't matter, the force belongs to everyone!" in response to fan criticism vis-à-vis her parentage reveal in The Last Jedi (or lack thereof), I say "WTF, it was The Force Wakens which made people interested in 'who' her parents are!". Yep, J.J. Abrams's famous 'mystery box' which tricked people into believing their was some sort of intricate & interesting story arc going on underneath the surface when in reality there was zilch. Just a remake of A New Hope with a brat villain & a gender swapped hero without flaws.

Episode 9 is dead on arrival if it merely devolves into a "Rey defeats Kylo, does she kill him or redeem him?" plot. I've seen Saturday morning cartoons with better writing, by far.

 

[Jon Neu]

So the fans will be racist anti Black Lives Matter incel manbabies after the next movie is shit?

You forgot homophobic, too.

 

[Hissing Sid]

You forgot homophobic, too.

Don’t forget entitled.

 

[ChrisDude]

I agree that JJ used TFA to set up several intriguing plots that TLJ then screwed up.

Though, Rey's parents could be fixed by revealing that Kylo was just talking out of his ass trying to bullshit her to join him. She still could be a Skywalker that was receiving jedi training until Kylo happened and everyone involved had their minds force-wiped to protect her. Maybe a daughter of Luke and Mara Jade.

IX has a lot of work to do to repair the damage.

Why do people want Rey parents to be some big name or even a skywalker? If they would have revealed Reys parents to be Obi wan, Luke or someone else everybody would have been "HA called it! So predictable..." If thinks its way more interessting that her parents are nobodys. Many force sensitive children in SW had parents that werent connected to the force.

 

[TheShadowLord]

That would actually be pretty cool.

pretty cool because the ewoks were the most hated thing of the original trilogy, perhaps? Maybe older fans wouldn't mind seeing one die on sceen. lol

 

[cryptoadam]

Why do people want Rey parents to be some big name or even a skywalker? If they would have revealed Reys parents to be Obi wan, Luke or someone else everybody would have been "HA called it! So predictable..." If thinks its way more interessting that her parents are nobodys. Many force sensitive children in SW had parents that werent connected to the force.

Its not about who here parents are, its about paying off the mystery box JJ set up. We can argue JJ should never of set it up in the first place, but he did. And than TLJ just shat on it and basically made any excitement for the 3rd movie moot.

Rey's parents didn't have to be Luke or Obi wan, but pay off the set up with something interesting. Make her a clone, Finn's sister, Snokes daugther, or whatever. Saying your parents are no ones and your backstory is nothing is cop out and honestly to me just seems like Rian or Kathleen just wanted to shit on JJ and tell him to suck on his mystery boxes.

 

[The Skull]

Why do people want Rey parents to be some big name or even a skywalker? If they would have revealed Reys parents to be Obi wan, Luke or someone else everybody would have been "HA called it! So predictable..." If thinks its way more interessting that her parents are nobodys. Many force sensitive children in SW had parents that werent connected to the force.

I think JJ had the idea to make them connected to the Obi Wan or Skywalker Lineage, hence in the Force Awakens the sequence where she see's herself getting dropped off on Jakuu, hearing Obi Wan's voice "These are your first steps Rey"which was a big clue that she is connected to Obi Wan in some way, but like most things Rian Johnson disregarded almost all of TFA, hence why she now has nobody parents.

At this point though , who her parents were are the absolute least of the characters troubles.

 

[kunonabi]

Why do people want Rey parents to be some big name or even a skywalker? If they would have revealed Reys parents to be Obi wan, Luke or someone else everybody would have been "HA called it! So predictable..." If thinks its way more interessting that her parents are nobodys. Many force sensitive children in SW had parents that werent connected to the force.

A) because they were setting it up to be something and B) because her ridiculous affinity for the force, just one of her many inexplicable talents, requires a better explanation than Johnson's version of affirmative action that completely contradicts how the force has worked all this time.

Of course, even if her parents were powerful Jedi that still wouldn't explain her insane force aptitude by itself so maybe in the long run it doesn't matter all that much.

As far as Lando goes he was my favorite SW character, excluding his awful Solo incarnation, and Billy Dee Williams is awesome but I'm I'm watching another Disney SW film just for him.

 

[MoFuzz]

Why do people want Rey parents to be some big name or even a skywalker? If they would have revealed Reys parents to be Obi wan, Luke or someone else everybody would have been "HA called it! So predictable..." If thinks its way more interessting that her parents are nobodys. Many force sensitive children in SW had parents that werent connected to the force.

It would have given some leeway as to her now ridiculously overpowered status, but if she's truly just some anonymous schmo on a desert planet and is gifted at everything simply "because?" That's awful writing. She has zero development and endures no struggle whatsoever. To top it all off, she has no reason to be that good at anything, because she is in no way special.

It was TFA that made these things a big deal. It has nothing to do with fan expectations. Only a pretentious douche nozzle like Rian Johnson would take each and every setup and then shit on it. It was the film itself that repeatedly stressed the importance of her parentage, by having multiple characters whisper about her, having the lightsaber itself call out to her and withholding her last name from the story entirely.

If they weren't going to bother expanding on it, why bring it up at all? What a monumental waste of the audience's time while simultaneously violating Chekov's Gun. What is the point of a sequel that doesn't build upon the setups of the prior movie?

 

[ruvikx]

If they weren't going to bother expanding on it, why bring it up at all? What a monumental waste of the audience's time while simultaneously violating Chekov's Gun. What is the point of a sequel that doesn't build upon the setups of the prior movie?

The Last Jedi retroactively made The Force Awakens a worse movie because many of those scenes (i.e. lightsaber call out to her etc.) are now rendered null & void. I mean when people watch that movie again, the question "is this moment significant?" has been answered with a resounding "fuck no" in most cases. At this juncture there isn't even an actual story anymore, not in the traditional "we're awaiting the third instalment of this trilogy with huge anticipation" sort of way.

They should have simply fired Kennedy & put Star Wars on a 5 year hiatus whilst they reimagined Rey's story. Perhaps start a new trilogy out of the ashes of The Last Jedi & flesh out all these characters with a beginning, middle & end. It's certainly a better plan than 'pretending' Episode 9 is some sort of grand finale to a plotless clusterfuck whilst throwing 'another' nostalgia hook (Billy Dee Williams) at the fans to get their asses back in the cinemas.