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[Bronx-Man]

From screenwriter Michael Green a new interview with Entertainment Weekly:

So many studios and property rights holders have seen the success of Marvel, which we all adore and wonder how to replicate it. For me, the lesson of Marvel is: you don’t begin by building a universe. You begin by telling a story worth telling. And if it is a great story directed well and performed brilliantly and stays with people, it will become the black hole around which a galaxy can form. If you begin by trying to build the universe before creating a film worth watching, well, there be dragons. At no point in the creation of this story or script did anyone talk about spin-offs or how might things continue. It was always: what’s our story and make sure you have a story that is worth the title.”

Crazy how so many miss out on such a simple lesson. But it's no surprise that a piece of art as good as 2049 learned all the right lessons from the MCU.

 

[snap]

what have you done

 

[Toa TAK]

I just wish it capitalized on after-credit scenes.

 

[Avixph]

It seems that WB is getting that lesson with Wonder Woman.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

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[Fancyarcher]

Coming from the guy who worked on Green Lantern, I'm sure he knew how to properly set-up well at this point. Universal's The Mummy is a bad example of how to set-up a share universe.

 

[Toa TAK]

Coming from the guy who worked on Green Lantern, I'm sure he knew how to properly set-up well at this point. Universal's The Mummy is a bad example of how to set-up a share universe.

Let's stop here before it gets worse.

We don't talk about that movie here.

 

[Seesaw15]

This thread should be fun.

 

[robotrock]

Hampton Fancher tha god

 

[Ninjimbo]

Too bad that Marvel hasn't told a great story since Iron Man.

 

[Davide]

Ready for all the terrible hot takes

edit:

Too bad that Marvel hasn't told a great story since Iron Man.

and there it is

 

[ZeoVGM]

Too bad that Marvel hasn't told a great story since Iron Man.

lmao

 

[chrisPjelly]

I can already see the salt pouring all over this thread

 

[Chained Prometheus]

Too bad that Marvel hasn't told a great story since Iron Man.

We couldn't even get past the first page before the Hot Takes started flooding in.

 

[BocoDragon]

What it's interesting is that this is how the MCU started, but not how it is now.

Half the decisions in the MCU nowadays are absolutely about teasing the next movie.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Thor: The Dark World in particular was probably a major influence.

 

[Toa TAK]

Too bad that Marvel hasn't told a great story since Iron Man.

10 posts. At least you chose an even number.

 

[120v]

but mummy told an amazing story

 

[Fancyarcher]

Let's stop here before it gets worse.

We don't talk about that movie here.

It's been brought-up several times on GAF actually.

 

[Discotheque]

lol, disagree with him pretty strongly on his opinion of marvel films but eh nothing to be mad about.

this thread gonna shit itself pretty soon.

edit: oh wow man cowrote Logan and Blade Runner after coming back from that piece of crap Green Lantern mess. this is definitely his year huh, good for him. he wrote the best Marvel movie since Spidey 2.

 

[Toa TAK]

but mummy told an amazing story

I swear to God...

It's been brought-up several times on GAF actually.

But we can be a force for change. A force for good.

lol, disagree with him pretty strongly on his opinion of marvel films but eh nothing to be mad about.

this thread gonna shit itself pretty soon.

Where's your optimism?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

In before the shitstorm! I am curious how long it will take.

 

[jack_package_200]

Remember that part where Luv and Officer K resolved their differences when they discovered they had moms with the same first name?

Remember that time Wallace gave Robin Wright a jar of his piss?

 

[jon bones]

What it's interesting is that this is how the MCU started, but not how it is now.

Half the decisions in the MCU nowadays are absolutely about teasing the next movie.

well they needed to expand before wrapping up so many stories

 

[Ahasverus]

Who could ever forget those great, life changing stories from Marvel Studios that totally aren't forgotten at the moment the first step out of the theater is taken.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Who could ever forget those great, life changing stories from Marvel Studios that totally don't get forgotten at the moment the first step is walked out of the theater.

I mean, Mr. Green obviously didn't

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

If you make a great movie you can make a sequel. Incredible.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

He didn't take any lessons because Bladerunner 2049 is a leagues different than what the MCU puts out.

BR is also not getting an expanded universe after its box office flop.

He's giving credit to MCU for no apparent reason.

My guess is he wants to work in the MCU factory.

 

[Technosteve]

Did Francher take a back seat again on this film? Man where's On The Edge of Blade Runner 2049

 

[Prompto]

oh wow man cowrote Logan and Blade Runner after coming back from that piece of crap Green Lantern mess. this is definitely his year huh, good for him. he wrote the best Marvel movie since Spidey 2.

Also created and is the showrunner for American Gods. Dude is having one hell of a year

 

[7Th]

wtf, i hate blade runner 2049 now

 

[The Kree]

Who could ever forget those great, life changing stories from Marvel Studios that totally aren't forgotten at the moment the first step out of the theater is taken.

Are you mad that everybody thinks Blade Runner is boring?

 

[Aselith]

Who could ever forget those great, life changing stories from Marvel Studios that totally aren't forgotten at the moment the first step out of the theater is taken.

Tbf Blade Runner has never been about life changing stories and that's not what Blade Runner is remembered for.

 

[BocoDragon]

I think he's actually damning the MCU concept with faint praise. He's saying the reason by it worked was actually because it built on a series of solid standalone films, and the "universe" was secondary to its success.

It's a pointed accusation at those in Hollywood who are cinematic universe obsessed.

 

[Compsiox]

Bladerunner 2049 had a great story. It was a bit slow though so I could see that putting people off.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Are you mad that everybody thinks Blade Runner is boring?

It's not though, it's great


Not a single wasted frame

 

[torre_avenue]

Who could ever forget those great, life changing stories from Marvel Studios that totally aren't forgotten at the moment the first step out of the theater is taken.

Better a sweet dream than a torturous knightmare.

 

[Ahasverus]

I mean, Mr. Green obviously didn't

I bet he dreams of Doctor Strange every night. Such an unforgettable classic.

 

[Dr.Social]

He's a screenwriter, but he didn't know movies needed a "story worth telling" before the Marvel movies?

 

[ZeoVGM]

What it's interesting is that this is how the MCU started, but not how it is now.

Half the decisions in the MCU nowadays are absolutely about teasing the next movie.

Except that's not true. While many might throw in a scene or two, they usually tell a single story.

Doctor Strange ties into the larger narrative but stands alone. Spider-Man: Homecoming relies on previous movies for continuity but still tells a singular story. And Guardians 2 absolutely is its own movie and barely ties into "teases" for the MCU.

There are only two movies where you can make a valid argument for the "omg it's all about teasing the next movie" remark: Iron Man 2 and Age of Ultron.

 

[Poimandres]

What it's interesting is that this is how the MCU started, but not how it is now.

Half the decisions in the MCU nowadays are absolutely about teasing the next movie.

I don't this is a particularly contentious view.

The need to set stuff up actually started having a negative impact on some Marvel films quite quickly. It's fine in certain films, but sometimes it hinders rather than helps.

Iron Man is a great example!

Iron Man 1 = great way to kick things off. Self contained, but a big enough hit to help build a universe

Iron Man 2 = a lesser film for trying to set up the Marvel Universe too much

 

[DiscoJer]

I don't understand how it's at all comparable. Marvel is known for having dozens of characters that people know,. They can make a universe because most the characters they have are in the same universe. And people know them, even if it's just through osmosis. .

Blade Runner has what? It's based on a novel by a popular but very eccentric 1950s-1970s Sci-Fi author, although the name itself (Blade Runner) comes from a completely different novel by a different author that the original producers preferred, because they didn't think "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" was catchy enough.

I could see maybe a Philip K Dick shared universe, because due to his religious experiences, he wrote about the same themes a lot (the unreality of the world most notably), but it generally wasn't connected.

The original movie starred a grumpy, bored looking Harrison Ford and a handful of character actors (who actually turned in great performances).

 

[ZeoVGM]

lol, disagree with him pretty strongly on his opinion of marvel films but eh nothing to be mad about.

this thread gonna shit itself pretty soon.

edit: oh wow man cowrote Logan and Blade Runner after coming back from that piece of crap Green Lantern mess. this is definitely his year huh, good for him. he wrote the best Marvel movie since Spidey 2.

People are far too quick to dismiss writers for what they worked on in the past. While it can obviously be true that they end up only making bad films, the truth is that many of even the great writers will have complete trash on their resume at some point.

 

[HariKari]

He's a screenwriter, but he didn't know movies needed a "story worth telling" before the Marvel movies?

The story should be the lead at all times is his point. If you don't have a good story to tell and instead force a movie, it ends up worse for it.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

He's a screenwriter, but he didn't know movies needed a "story worth telling" before the Marvel movies?

No. Cinematic universes need individual stories worth telling. You can't just BvS/Justice League your way into one.

 

[Trey]

Crazy how so many miss out on such a simple lesson. But it's no surprise that a piece of art as good as 2049 learned all the right lessons from the MCU.

was 2049 positioning itself as the starting point of a cinematic universe?

 

[Moonkid]

was 2049 positioning itself as a starting point of a cinematic universe?

No, and the article says as much.

 

[Velocity:Design:Comfort]

Are you mad that everybody thinks Blade Runner is boring?

Yo this Marvel defensiveness/projecting is a riot. Minimizing some other movie cause you wanna be snarky is pretty low.

 

[broncobuster]

lol, disagree with him pretty strongly on his opinion of marvel films but eh nothing to be mad about.

this thread gonna shit itself pretty soon.

edit: oh wow man cowrote Logan and Blade Runner after coming back from that piece of crap Green Lantern mess. this is definitely his year huh, good for him. he wrote the best Marvel movie since Spidey 2.

To both give him credit and take some away, he had some strong writing partners on Blade Runner and Logan. Some shine under the right circumstances, and Green Lantern wasn't the right circumstance for anyone.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Yo this Marvel defensiveness/projecting is a riot. Minimizing some other movie cause you wanna be snarky is pretty low.

He's also replying to someone who has a known history of posts like that in MCU threads. It gets a bit frustrating at times.