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Blade Runner 2049 writer credits Marvel Studios influence
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I promise you my comment actually has zero to do with minimizing Blade Runner.
Oh boy, this thread will be fun. But he's got a point. The MCU established its universe a movie at a time before finally coming into being in the first Avengers. On the other hand, DC had Man of Steel and then, boom, BvS, which tried to do too many things at once. Maybe it would have been smarter to have an individual movie for the main characters before that.
SolidChamp
Banned
This. This is my problem with it now.
I go back to what James Mangold said when Logan came out. The guy was totally on point.
It's a bit frustrating because on one hand, I agree. They should have taken their time and built up characters in their own movies before something like BvS. It was such an obvious attempt at trying to jump into what Marvel had started.
I basically look at BvS as Iron Man 2 if Iron Man 2 was the first movie in the MCU.
(Ten fold.)
On the other hand, someone surely could have made BvS a good movie, so does it really matter? But instead, it was one of the worst the genre has ever seen so it's hard to look at many "what if" scenarios.
dancingphlower
Member
Lol so many people with bad hot takes in here, people desperately coming up with counterpoints to Green's nod towards the MCU. He never said the films were life-changing masterpieces, all he said was that he shares a similar storytelling philosophy. The Marvel hate is hilarious.
But it's not true. That's ridiculous hyperbole.
If you look at the last three MCU films, how in the world can you say that "half of the decisions" were about setting up the next film.
Hell, there were people who complained that Guardians 2 was too separate.
Theres some sequel bait in 2049. Plus all the shorts and anime, so you know WB has at least considered turning it into a franchise.
"Everybody". Who is everybody? The film has pretty near universal praise.
The only ones I see calling it boring are the low attention span generation who is calling it boring without even seeing it because they are too scared to see a movie without much action that is longer than 2 and half hours.
Those who have seen it seem to have praise easily 90% of the time.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
what have you done Bronx-Man
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Odd. The first Blade Runner did everything he mentioned, but sure.
Not sure why some people are getting worked up. All he says is that some people/studios take the wrong lessons from the Marvel Movies by making or dreaming about making 3-6 movies, creating a cinematic universe (Power Rangers, Mummy, BvS...) without having a solid movie first, while instead you should focus on one standalone movie... make it about that movie and then if it's well received you can build up a franchise/cinematic universe or sequels whatever.
I beg to differ.
The story isn't all that engaging at all, and the world building is really what made the movie memorable all these years (marred with the insane production design).
Have yet to see the new one, so i can't speak for it.
If you say so, but you're missing the point, it doesn't go around trying to build the world as the purpose of the film. The world is built by it telling a story set in said world.
I learned more about the world of Blade Runner just following Deckard around doing his job than I would have from any BvS style throwing shit at the audience to build their universe.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Oh wow, Michael Green worked on 2049? As some have mentioned, this is quite the come-back year for him. I liked his Supergirl run.
No matter how any of us feel about the MCU, he's right about worrying about the universe later. That should never be the priority, as demonstrated by BvS, The Mummy and many others. Although I do think Marvel has also missed the mark on that front from time to time with films like Iron Man 2 and Ultron but recently, Homecoming hit a really nice balance.
No matter how any of us feel about the MCU, he's right about worrying about the universe later. That should never be the priority, as demonstrated by BvS, The Mummy and many others. Although I do think Marvel has also missed the mark on that front from time to time with films like Iron Man 2 and Ultron but recently, Homecoming hit a really nice balance.
A hot take isn't any post you disagree with.
In my head I've decided that he's responsible for the dumb stuff like the android assassin lady and Wallace's villainous monologues and Hampton Fancher is the good one.
Actually since Fancher is credited for story and the base storyline of this movie is the best thing about it that might actually be true.
Actually since Fancher is credited for story and the base storyline of this movie is the best thing about it that might actually be true.
In that sense, i see your point (aside from a bit of world building preamble text, in the opening) however i don't see much of that reflected in Marvel movies.
Infact, i'd say having to build up that world, is often an hindrance for those movies.
Logan feels much more effective (and lean) because it doesn't share that concern.
One of the criticisms of the original Blade Runner is actually its story. It's a detective story without much of an actual mystery. (Something the sequel improves upon.)
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I would love a Blade Runner anthology cinematic series to be honest. Something that finally shows us C-beams glittering in the dark by Tannhauser Gate. Something off-world.
I mean....yeah. Was this ever in doubt?
All the lessons one could take from the MCU, and he took the one that was so obvious as to be a given.
Or any number of great stories.
All the lessons one could take from the MCU, and he took the one that was so obvious as to be a given.
One thing I love about both films is they never show the off-world. They talk about it but they leave it to your imagination.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Man that first page. Salty DC fanboys are always good for a laugh.
Baraka Obama
Banned
Okay
Gentleman Jack
Member
Marvel didn't invent this process tho
Gentleman Jack
Member
"writer credits Marvel Studios influence" is also a stretch. He's answering a question about the nature of sequels and franchises and chooses Marvel as an example without crediting them with influencing any part of the process used to produce BR2049.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
It's not our fault his statement is hat tipping is oddly attributed to a movie universe that has nothing to do with Blade Runner. If you sense of Team Marvel is too large to understand that then you may need to step away from the fandom for a bit.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I agree with this basically 100% of the time but now, after all these years, and after 2049 being so damn good, I'm ready.
This has been a pretty good year for him and he has come a long way since his Green Lantern writing days. This could be his way getting somethings off his chest publicly after keeping it for so long. Probably aimed towards some executives and/or producers.
Of course, this is just me idly speculatin'.
Every time, never fails.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Marvel Studios cured my cancer.