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Fuck it, two more years of misery.
What does it matter if Sony lets them have a two year headstart? There's no rules written in stone where generations can't be disjointed. If Sony released PS4 this year to start the new gen then PS5 in 2013, would that signal the start of another new gen? Of course not.
I'm good with this, I still need time to check out the Gears series, Assassin's Creed, Batman, and the Halo games after 3 on my 360.
The PS3 will be deader than the PSP in North America by 2014. The 360 will be deader than the Xbox in Japan by then. Sony only had the luxury of extending the PS2's life as long as they did because it was far and away the best selling console. The 360 and PS3 aren't going to sell 15 million units a year for the next 4 years.
If the Wii U is even a modest generational shift, MS and Sony run the risk of losing HD marketshare and several franchises if 3rd parties feel that those franchises would be better served by their new controller or the hardware boost. Even the Dreamcast got Soul Calibur, SF3, and Code Veronica. The nightmare scenario is that in the 12-24 months that Nintendo is on the market alone, they create a Wii Sports/Wii Fit type killer app for the tablet controller that makes people start climbing over themselves to buy one. Those kinds of cultural phenomena are obviously not easy, but we're talking two years of unchecked experimentation.
The PS3 will be deader than the PSP in North America by 2014. The 360 will be deader than the Xbox in Japan by then. Sony only had the luxury of extending the PS2's life as long as they did because it was far and away the best selling console. The 360 and PS3 aren't going to sell 15 million units a year for the next 4 years.
If the Wii U is even a modest generational shift, MS and Sony run the risk of losing HD marketshare and several franchises if 3rd parties feel that those franchises would be better served by their new controller or the hardware boost. Even the Dreamcast got Soul Calibur, SF3, and Code Veronica. The nightmare scenario is that in the 12-24 months that Nintendo is on the market alone, they create a Wii Sports/Wii Fit type killer app for the tablet controller that makes people start climbing over themselves to buy one. Those kinds of cultural phenomena are obviously not easy, but we're talking two years of unchecked experimentation.
Questionable move by Microsoft. All Nintendo need is a mainline, hardcore hit on the Wii U to take off and capture a fuckload of that user base. They'll particularly be in a tough position if Nintendo's third party titles are consistently better, and their open online approach provides a better, more flexible experience for games like CoD.
late last night I posted what I thought was an interesting scenario into the mix, further up the page. Nobody commented on it lol. I'm starting to think that all of my drunk posting over the past 6 years has me on everyone's ignore list!
How long has facebook been on top though? It doesn't look like stopping anytime soon either. I don't think any of the services offered on consoles have come close to that level but once entrenched it can be hard to get people to switch over.
I'm still not convinced that wasn't some kind of fluke, or a one time type deal at least.
Well from my estimation, something along those lines has happened 3 times now - once with the wii, once with kinect, and once (to a much lesser degree) with the DS. Capturing the casual by the neck via disruption really isn't an easy feat but it's not a complete abnormality in the video game industry either.
Well from my estimation, something along those lines has happened 3 times now - once with the wii, once with kinect, and once (to a much lesser degree) with the DS. Capturing the casual by the neck via disruption really isn't an easy feat but it's not a complete abnormality in the video game industry either.
Show new COD
Mattrick comes out and acts all '360 is awesome bitches, Kinect is even better this year'
50 minutes of Kinect stuff
3 minutes of Forza
3 minutes of Halo
I don't put Kinect's impact anywhere near the Wii. I think it's being overstated. It wouldn't even exist if not for the Wii. The 'flukey, struck gold' stuff only really applies to the Wii, in my opinion.
Great opportunity for Nintendo, but they better not fuck it up by just letting developers release games on the system simply as a "WiiU" version of PS3 and 360 games. They won't convince a lot of people to "upgrade" when there's effectively no upgrade anyway.
Shame we'll have to wait for the next xbox for another year though.
None of that really addresses my point/question. You went off on a tangent.
What does it matter if Sony lets them have a two year headstart?
There's no rules written in stone where generations can't be disjointed. If Sony released PS4 this year to start the new gen then PS5 in 2013, would that signal the start of another new gen? Of course not.
I don't put Kinect's impact anywhere near the Wii. I think it's being overstated. It wouldn't even exist if not for the Wii. The 'flukey, struck gold' stuff only really applies to the Wii, in my opinion.
When talking about the WiiU stealing customers from Sony or MS everyone seems to gloss over the online factor. This isn't 2001, online is very important to core users. Without a real online service I don't see gamers jumping ship to the WiiU.
I'd say Sony's last several Japanese launches make the case that it doesn't really matter whether they make it before the year-end bump. You can be hot in March if people want you (PS2), not hot at the end of the year if people want something else (PS3, Vita), or stuck with too little supply to take advantage of the biggest time of year (PSP).Sho_Nuff82 said:There is no realistic scenario where Sony gives Nintendo two Christmas' uninterrupted in Japan, especially with the Vita being trounced by the 3DS over there. PS3 will launch fall 2013 as well.
When talking about the WiiU stealing customers from Sony or MS everyone seems to gloss over the online factor. This isn't 2001, online is very important to core users. Without a real online service I don't see gamers jumping ship to the WiiU.
Apparently they've worked directly with 3rd parties to build a central network with a unified gamertag, but nobody knows how it's going to turn out yet.
Besides, online didn't hurt the Wii sales one bit.
The more I read our threads, the less I think MS and Sony should release in 2013.
Those two will need some BIG hits if they want to kickstart next-gen and I don't think 3rd parties will have their big IP up and running on next-gen engines 20 months from now.
Just as I don't think 1st parties will have revolutionnary experiences to expose.
I'd rather see devs go experimental in 2013 and try and bring out games made on a budget but yet done so efficiently they look, feel and play AAA but with new stories, maybe try things things as regards to marketing and how they are priced.
I'm a big supporter of episodic content, and a steady flow of likeable IPs on PS360 would keep me playing on those all through 2013.
A 6-8 months games drought can be quenched with MP stuff.
And MS/Sony know hardcores will buy WiiUs anyway, so why try and mask it's where the enthousiasm is gonna go for a time.
Apparently they've worked directly with 3rd parties to build a central network with a unified gamertag, but nobody knows how it's going to turn out yet.
Besides, online didn't hurt the Wii sales one bit.
I still believe Nintendo is happy not directly competing with Sony and Microsoft and will instead focus on being the "stop gap" system each successive generation, offering upgraded graphics over the recent generation and new ways to play as opposed to full out graphical powerhouses.
]Does the 3DS have a unified gamertag? Voice chat supported?[/B] Online didn't hurt the Wii because it was selling to a new casual crowd that didn't care. I'm talking about the core users, the ones logging hundred of hours in multiplayer games. The WiiU will be a system they get and play but without a quality online network it will never be their main system.
Sorry, I agree with what you're saying, but I don't think the itunes model is going to make as much of an impact until maybe next gen. There's also the fact that there's a significant difference between replaying games and replaying songs. I can guarantee you that I'm still going to want to to listen to a big chunk of my current music collection 10 years from now. Most people only replay their games once or twice at most and then never again.
This year, we will build on that Xbox 360 momentum. With "Halo 4," "Forza Horizon," "Fable: The Journey," and other great Kinect games on the way, our 2012 Xbox lineup is our strongest ever.
I just read inbetween the lines.
Absolutely disgraceful, I really hope Nintendo capitalise on this.
This is most likely. When I said memory chips will double in 2013, I was mostly replying to the comment that there will be no important advancements that year.From a technology standpoint, if MS doesn't launch in 12 then 14 seems like a better year than 13. The memory improvements aren't going to be solid enough to bet a console launch.
The thing is, all of those cases were quite different from each other, and from now.The Wii U could sell anywhere from 6-10 million units in two years alone in one territory, anywhere from 15-40 million in two years alone WW. In this scenario, Sony releases a more powerful console with a sparse library, and is then attempting to convince developers that they should (for some reason) either ditch the Wii U altogether, or somehow give their new console preferential treatment in software support. How well did that conversation work for the PS3 versus the 360, which only had a 10 million unit lead? How did that work out for the Xbox, which price matched the PS2 despite being nearly a generation ahead in raw power? How is that working out for the Vita right now?
Fuck it, two more years of misery.
Actually if I were Nintendo I would take this as an indication that Microsoft may be willing to trade 6 months to a year for the ability to copy / better whatever it is Nintendo still haven't told us. I'd also be suspicious that this might not be true, and that they could try and spoil the party in June. I hope Nintendo are as paranoid as me and pack E3 with wall to wall awesome.
I'm cool with Kinect, but I'm thinking it should be more 50/50 or 60/40 between Hardcore to Kinect titles. Right now it's 90/10. It's being forced so hard that it's resulted in the death of Lionhead and Rare.
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I know of their XBLA lineup, do we have concrete release dates for any of them? Non hostile, I'm just genuinely curious, especially about Class3.
between Hardcore to Kinect titles.
Right now it's 90/10.
It's being forced so hard that it's resulted in the death of Lionhead and Rare.
It's being forced so hard that it's resulted in the death of Lionhead and Rare.
It's being forced so hard that it's resulted in the death of Lionhead and Rare.
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I just read inbetween the lines.
Absolutely disgraceful, I really hope Nintendo capitalise on this.
Rare lives on by name only, sorry.
I think 8 years is fine for Xbox 360.
rare died on the gamecube.
The thing is, network preferences can change. It takes awhile, but it does happen. You don't see people on friendster anymore, and when was the last time anyone talked about myspace? I do believe though that if nintendo's future network isn't serviceable, they're going to have a real tough road ahead of them, but if wii u hits it big, people will gladly switch over as the console itself becomes increasingly popular. What I'm saying is people aren't going to pass on it just because it doesn't have live or psn. It's not about what's not available, but rather the exact opposite.