Splash Wave
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PhatSaqs said:
What level were you at when you beat those bosses? I have my party around level 21, but those bosses fuck me up.
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What level were you at when you beat those bosses? I have my party around level 21, but those bosses fuck me up.
FateBreaker
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For the people that have beaten (or at least gone partially through) the extra dungeon in the downloadable content thing for Japan's release, here's my question: is it good, worth it? Assuming US will get this same treatment, I am curious if it's still worth a purchase (that is, if it still costs like 3-5 bucks or however much it was for the Japan scenario). I remember Bebpo saying Eternal Sonata's "bonus" dungeon sucks. How about this one?
WHOAguitarninja
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Okay so I've been playing this the past couple days. Just got to
. Is this thing gonna get any better? So far I really don't like the characters and Nene is pretty dumb as a bad guy. Marumaro has the most incredibly annoying voice in history, also. Should I keep going or is this game just not for me? It's incredibly dissapointing because the music and graphics are amazing, and the art is (in general) pretty okay. It's just these damn characters are killing it for me.
the part where Marumaro's medicine doesn't work on the village
WHOAguitarninja said:
the game certainly gets better. it doesn't really come into its own until the 3rd disc though, but it starts getting better by the end of the disc.
if you can't stand Marumaro or Nene, you'll probably not enjoy it though. what changes do occur, don't really change either of them. the graphics and art do get better though, you've still got some of the most beautiful and detailed towns and villages left to visit.
WHOAguitarninja
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soco said:
I'll keep plugging and see if I get used to them. The game looks so god damned good and unique that I want to play just to see the sights..but man...that voice...
So I purchased this game today through the TRU deal but I also rented it because I'm kind of waiting to see how it turns out and if it ends up not being very good, I can exchange my purchased one for another game later. At least that was my plan.
I downloaded the hard mode patch and am playing it that way. I am really enjoying it so far. If I'm still enjoying it after spending a dozen or so more hours with it, I'll probably just end up keeping my purchased copy. It's amazing how the demo does this game such a disservice, but the music was HAWT so I knew it was at least worth checking out.
Like I said, I'm still a bit skeptical of whether I should keep it or not, but I'm starting to lean towards a keep. I really like how you can find hidden shit everywhere and the battle and level up system is well-implemented and fun.
The main issue I have is that the VA/localization is pretty frigging terrible. Also, the main character designs aren't that interesting at all. I'm three hours into the game and I think Shu has said "I'll never give up" 4 times already. :/ It's starting to grate on me.
I downloaded the hard mode patch and am playing it that way. I am really enjoying it so far. If I'm still enjoying it after spending a dozen or so more hours with it, I'll probably just end up keeping my purchased copy. It's amazing how the demo does this game such a disservice, but the music was HAWT so I knew it was at least worth checking out.
Like I said, I'm still a bit skeptical of whether I should keep it or not, but I'm starting to lean towards a keep. I really like how you can find hidden shit everywhere and the battle and level up system is well-implemented and fun.
The main issue I have is that the VA/localization is pretty frigging terrible. Also, the main character designs aren't that interesting at all. I'm three hours into the game and I think Shu has said "I'll never give up" 4 times already. :/ It's starting to grate on me.
WHOAguitarninja said:
Things never really change that much for the better. A few little wrinkles in the narrative make for some inviting gameplay sequences(Discs 2 and 3 have some nice scattered moments), but don't expect the characters or story to ever really break from their mold.
Not to dissuade you from continuing on as the game remains a solid experience and some of the visuals are just astounding. I literally stopped playing here and there a few times just to gaze at the stuff the 360 was outputting on my TV.
PhatSaqs said:
Those disc 1 endbosses were a total bitch on Hard mode. My levels were ~25 as well and I was almost worried I needed to grind more for a chance.
I did love the challenge though, all the bosses have subtle patterns to figure through, and the bomb guy was probably the most challenging for me. Instant kill for every standard atttack, and if I failed to stop his group multi-bomb strike...game over. It was a rush and felt so wonderful getting through it.
PowerSmell
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Brandon F said:
That's exactly where I am now, and I'm getting totally raped by the same boss. My party are all at level 24 and I'm currently backtracking to see if I missed anything that could give me the slightest edge. I'm starting to think that it might actually be impossible for me to beat this asshole.
PowerSmell
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I'm doing the same thing now for grinding.
Jiro's at lvl 20 Barrier magic, and I've got Reflect, Shell, Shield, Shielda and Wall.
Support magic spells I have are Slow, Slowa, Sleep, Quick, Deflect, Dizzy, Anchor and Poison.
Jiro's at lvl 20 Barrier magic, and I've got Reflect, Shell, Shield, Shielda and Wall.
Support magic spells I have are Slow, Slowa, Sleep, Quick, Deflect, Dizzy, Anchor and Poison.
KingJ2002 said:
Doesn't matter. They don't stack anyways. You can't even stack an Eyepatch with a Blackbelt - double is as good as it gets.
Quazar said:
Rather than grinding, I just restarted a New Game+ on impossible difficulty.
I just field barrier'd my way through the first disk, then played normally until the end. I wound up just a few levels under 99, did a couple extra fights, and shabang.
Lot more fun than just running in circles.
FateBreaker
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what is this TRU deal?
edit: sorry, found it. I'm on this!
edit: sorry, found it. I'm on this!
Generalist 15 for everyone should open things up a bit. I've got a nice balanced class attack going.
I'm still only about 15 or so hours into hard mode, but I was wondering how many of you beat that and then replayed on impossible. What are the differences as far as challenges and rewards?
I'm still only about 15 or so hours into hard mode, but I was wondering how many of you beat that and then replayed on impossible. What are the differences as far as challenges and rewards?
I bought the game today, played for about an hour and a half and thought "Damn, this is pretty easy..." And THEN I remembered to look for the Hard Mode patch.
So the question is... Should I restart on Hard or Impossible? I'm an RPG vet and I don't mind a challenge, but I'd rather not grind for twenty hours if I can avoid it.
So the question is... Should I restart on Hard or Impossible? I'm an RPG vet and I don't mind a challenge, but I'd rather not grind for twenty hours if I can avoid it.
KingJ2002 said:
Oh. I thought you wanted two per character - hence "they don't stack."
Yeah, you can only get three Lei's (that I know of), but you can also pick up an Eyepatch (Dude in the 3rd Sheep Camp area needs a letter of some sort - it's in the sanddune area with the crystal spikes in a random chest) which accomplishes the same thing as a Blackbelt if you haven't already.
Three Lei locations:
1. Upper Mecha Robo Base
2. Steal from the Moody Dragon
3. Get 1400 Nothings and talk to the Nothing Man
If you're trying to get the Lei's/Blackbelts to get up to level 99/etc achievements, you can always do a New Game+ and jet your way back to the Lei's with Field Barrier....you'll keep everything you currently have, making a total of 6 Lei's, etc...
Hard Mode with the original voices is the only way to go.
I just made it to Jibral Castle and I've had a great time playing all the way. This game really is a quality effort.
For anyone who has just started or still somewhat early on in the quest I can't stress enough how helpful it is to have at least one party member set with Double Item skill. I've done almost zero grinding so my levels are moderate. Double Item has saved me from certain death more than once.
I just made it to Jibral Castle and I've had a great time playing all the way. This game really is a quality effort.
For anyone who has just started or still somewhat early on in the quest I can't stress enough how helpful it is to have at least one party member set with Double Item skill. I've done almost zero grinding so my levels are moderate. Double Item has saved me from certain death more than once.
FateBreaker
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Man, the two mega bosses ARE quite tough. I think I'll get them tonight.
I kind of wish that the downloadable new dungeon would be available on Xbox Live, though. Didn't it come out just a few months after the Japanese release? It should come over here pretty soon then....=\...it's not like there's much at all to translate.
I kind of wish that the downloadable new dungeon would be available on Xbox Live, though. Didn't it come out just a few months after the Japanese release? It should come over here pretty soon then....=\...it's not like there's much at all to translate.
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I'm on the 2nd disc now
This is a great game.
Nene just took Kluke over that ravine in the snow
FateBreaker said:
There is a stupidly easy strategy to take them down, read ahead if interested...but really you should try on your own a few times first....
rope in a lesser enemy nearby along with the uber bosses and spend the entirety of that first dumb fight buffing up. Quickus, Magic UP, Shieldus, Previve, etc... when ready, kill the lesser foes and begin the uber-boss battle. Just spam spells like Flare 3 with everyone and heal as necessary(I'd recommend setting jobs to the most magic efficient classes, likely barrier class). Doing so I took down Gold Mecha Robo without him even claiming a single death on my party...on Hard mode. I did kill King Poo on my own which was a pain in the arse and mostly required lots of corporeal summons and lucky revives, but I assume this strategy would have made the fight as stupidly easy)
FateBreaker
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Brandon F said:
Indeed, that is the trick. They were a bit tough, but with that, they're quite cinchy. Thanks for the tips.
I ended up taking back the game to exchange for Folklore.
I was playing it on hard mode. So here's some of my pros and cons and things of note on the game after putting about 5 hours into it. Got to the underground hospital.
-Loved the music (Eternity was a cheasy but eerily catchy song)
-Loved how you find little trinkets and items everywhere but it also gets annoying when there is treasure in absolutely EVERY nook and cranny. It frustrates me that I might miss some really cool equipment or EXP. It should have an item index to help you keep track of the treasures you find.
-Liked how the class and accessory and spell systems are set up.
-The charge is also a neat concept but I think it needed a bit of tuning (inconsistent and unintuitive timing). I have great timing skills but if I can't get the sweet spot timing down 100% of the time 5 hours into the game, there's something wrong with the game design.
-There's a bit of lag between selection of commands and the action and also between turns.
-Gaining a level didn't really seem to give me much of a tangible benefit and with all the little niggles I have with the battle system, leveling became tedious.
-I had to use a lot of strategy for the boss battles, which I liked, but they were incredibly difficult and I died MANY times trying to get it right.
-Check points are a real nice addition for that reason but ultimately, it took a few too many times to figure out exactly what I needed to do to survive a boss battle. I don't know if it's because I was under-leveled (it's not like I skipped a bunch of enemies) or that they were extremely unbalanced, but it became really frustrating after awhile.
-The main character art is really bland. The costume design is about as basic as they could possibly be.
-Technically, the graphics are really good. Nice special effects too.
-Localization (script, dialogue and VA) is bad. It's just bad. Nene's voice actor is probably the only one I liked. I have a pretty high tolerance for mediocre VA performances. It's just a boring script compounded with even more boring deliveries.
This sounds pretty harsh but it is a decent game. There are a just a lot of flaws that end up marring the entire experience for me. That being said, I think I still might come back to it and purchase it when it gets down to a cheaper price.
I just hope Lost Odyssey gets a little more polish.
I was playing it on hard mode. So here's some of my pros and cons and things of note on the game after putting about 5 hours into it. Got to the underground hospital.
-Loved the music (Eternity was a cheasy but eerily catchy song)
-Loved how you find little trinkets and items everywhere but it also gets annoying when there is treasure in absolutely EVERY nook and cranny. It frustrates me that I might miss some really cool equipment or EXP. It should have an item index to help you keep track of the treasures you find.
-Liked how the class and accessory and spell systems are set up.
-The charge is also a neat concept but I think it needed a bit of tuning (inconsistent and unintuitive timing). I have great timing skills but if I can't get the sweet spot timing down 100% of the time 5 hours into the game, there's something wrong with the game design.
-There's a bit of lag between selection of commands and the action and also between turns.
-Gaining a level didn't really seem to give me much of a tangible benefit and with all the little niggles I have with the battle system, leveling became tedious.
-I had to use a lot of strategy for the boss battles, which I liked, but they were incredibly difficult and I died MANY times trying to get it right.
-Check points are a real nice addition for that reason but ultimately, it took a few too many times to figure out exactly what I needed to do to survive a boss battle. I don't know if it's because I was under-leveled (it's not like I skipped a bunch of enemies) or that they were extremely unbalanced, but it became really frustrating after awhile.
-The main character art is really bland. The costume design is about as basic as they could possibly be.
-Technically, the graphics are really good. Nice special effects too.
-Localization (script, dialogue and VA) is bad. It's just bad. Nene's voice actor is probably the only one I liked. I have a pretty high tolerance for mediocre VA performances. It's just a boring script compounded with even more boring deliveries.
This sounds pretty harsh but it is a decent game. There are a just a lot of flaws that end up marring the entire experience for me. That being said, I think I still might come back to it and purchase it when it gets down to a cheaper price.
I just hope Lost Odyssey gets a little more polish.
PG2G said:
If this was a Japanese release, I can see your point. But as it is a US release, I think standards should be higher and people should expect good localizations. Dual language is NOT an excuse for a shitty localization. If you don't understand Japanese, I don't see how "better" Japanese voices would make much of a difference.
duckroll said:
They make a difference becuase they provide an alternative, thouigh it's no excuse for crappy localized vo. Personally I never heard the BD english vo becuase I just prefer using the Japanese ones. Gives more authenticty to the game I'm playing or the movie I'm watching.
Playing through the game slowly on hard mode; I do have a life so that I only get a few hours of playtime a week. Hard mode is just that; it requires you to think about what you are doing, and it takes FOREVER to take down some of those bosses. Without the sleep spell, I'd have been absolutely screwed against the tigers in disk one. Support magic actually becomes necessary. And the barrier magic is vital as well to keep from losing the tanking characters in one hit.
Found that for the first disk, nothing beats a spell caster. Shu has barrier magic almost exclusively, allowing me to balance Jiro between black and white magic (mainly white), Kluke a black mage/support mage, and Maro as a sword master (better defense than the monk, including magical). This allows me to tank both Maro and Shu with surprisingly good stats, and deal massive damage with the spell casters. It's really the only way I've found to get through the first disk on hard without any real grinding.
I love this game. This and Mass Effect will monopolize my gaming time for the next six months or more.
Found that for the first disk, nothing beats a spell caster. Shu has barrier magic almost exclusively, allowing me to balance Jiro between black and white magic (mainly white), Kluke a black mage/support mage, and Maro as a sword master (better defense than the monk, including magical). This allows me to tank both Maro and Shu with surprisingly good stats, and deal massive damage with the spell casters. It's really the only way I've found to get through the first disk on hard without any real grinding.
I love this game. This and Mass Effect will monopolize my gaming time for the next six months or more.
Masta_Killah
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Diablos said:
Glad to see people still interested in the game.
BenjaminBirdie
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Masta_Killah said:
Yep. For as lackluster a performance as it's had, I've yet to see many people get the game and not be into it.
It's so awesome. Quite a shame that it's not getting much attention. It did get pretty mediocre reviews, though. I bet you that if Square-Enix published this, and it was exactly the same, it would get awesome reviews.
This could have definitely been a Final Fantasy before it got all Gackt'd up. Seriously, I could have seen Sakaguchi making something like this after FFIX if he was still calling all the shots.
It seems to take a lot from the older FF's (FFIV and V especially) and modernizes it.
This could have definitely been a Final Fantasy before it got all Gackt'd up. Seriously, I could have seen Sakaguchi making something like this after FFIX if he was still calling all the shots.
It seems to take a lot from the older FF's (FFIV and V especially) and modernizes it.
The 1up review I especially found to be ridiculous. They spent like two paragraphs bitching about the character designs. I hate DBZ but I find the character designs in this game to be great.
SO WHAT if the story isn't super involved and the gameplay is nothing groundbreaking? It's basically an updated traditional jrpg as the way you encounter enemies in the field is vastly superior. I like how you can see everything, and also pick a group of enemies for even longer battles, as well as equip a skill so you don't have to waste time fighting enemies that have low levels. Nobody seems to praise these ideas at all, but they're great, and somehow it still feels like a traditional jrpg -- just updated. FFXII should have been like this.
Also, who cares if the story isn't really all that sophisticated (at all)? Dragon Quest games aren't, and nobody cares. BD is really no different. After playing Eternal Sonata, which tried to be ten different things at the same time, it's nice to know Blue Dragon won't be attempting any of that confusing storytelling.
There's also a deep sense of exploration in this game that I haven't experienced in a long, long time.
All the hate this game gets is ridiculous.
SO WHAT if the story isn't super involved and the gameplay is nothing groundbreaking? It's basically an updated traditional jrpg as the way you encounter enemies in the field is vastly superior. I like how you can see everything, and also pick a group of enemies for even longer battles, as well as equip a skill so you don't have to waste time fighting enemies that have low levels. Nobody seems to praise these ideas at all, but they're great, and somehow it still feels like a traditional jrpg -- just updated. FFXII should have been like this.
Also, who cares if the story isn't really all that sophisticated (at all)? Dragon Quest games aren't, and nobody cares. BD is really no different. After playing Eternal Sonata, which tried to be ten different things at the same time, it's nice to know Blue Dragon won't be attempting any of that confusing storytelling.
There's also a deep sense of exploration in this game that I haven't experienced in a long, long time.
All the hate this game gets is ridiculous.
Psychotext
Member
On the third disc now... just sorted
and I'm just wandering around
. Good fun... will attempt to read the whole thread when I'm done. 
the ice village
opening barriers
Same here, I just reachedDiablos said:
Marumaro's village, which is just after
I'm using the Japanese VO too, and it's great to have the option. The game is just like Dragon Quest, which suits me fine.