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[Vilix]

Here he is. The bomber/suspect still at large. Apparently from Chechnya, but I fear the fact he is muslim is going to be tough for those who wish he wasn't. Please folks, terror comes in all shapes/races, don't be ignorant.

He identified himself as a muslim on his facebook page. Languages spoken: English, Russian, and Arabic. News agencies are interviewing as many classmates as they can find. He was a very bright student. He was involved in leadership clubs at school. Well liked. His former classmates can't believe it was him. He never gave any indication of being radical. He was on a short list to attend college.

http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive

 

[Scrooged]

It's becoming clear that they are radicalized Muslim Chechens. Especially the older brother.

 

[Protein]

I doubt most Americans even knew Chechnya existed before this. There's a mosque down the street from where a work that has been vandalized several times in the past. It would be terrible if this brings more vandalism or god forbid worse. I hope those people stay safe. There's a lot of hateful idiots/assholes out there.

 

[Count Dookkake]

The only "please don't be" that I engage in is "Please don't be a GAFfer."

 

[Platy]

 

[jstripes]

Ugh. Things are about to get bad for every Muslim in the US. Again.

It's sad how two people can ruin things for everyone.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

I doubt most Americans even knew Chechnya existed before this.

I doubt most of your neighbors know about some regional conflict half a world away either.

 

[The Awesomest]

I feel bad for fellow Sikhs in America. If it's not cold blooded murder at temples by Neo-Nazi's, it's poor convenience store owners getting gunned down, old Sikh seniors with a turban getting beat to death in a park etc.

These were the 9/11 hijackers. Normal looking people, clean shaven, wearing jeans and t-shirts.

Ignorance is never an excuse. Not every terrorist looks like Bin Laden.

Sshhhh, now they'll start going after normal-looking brown people too!

 

[wenis]

The only "please don't be" that I engage in is "Please don't be a GAFfer."

Have you lost yet?

 

[Stinkles]

Unfortunately, Fanatism & Shittyhumans .Inc is an equal oportunity employer. The fact that there are several undeniable problems and hateful ideas within some of the Islam's branches (salafism and wahabism to be more precise) doesn't excuse idiotic and vengeful vigilantism.

The whole "searching for people who looks like a terrorist" meme is retarded, as proven by the photos of this very topic. If you are a terrorist or a criminal of course your intention is to blend in with the masses, not to distinguish yourself and make you easily identifable.

Which is exactly why the 9/11 bombers were clean cut young men. Richard Reid on the other hand basically looked like a mad bomber and had a giant bomb shaped shoe with a fuse hanging out of it. So we get both ends of the spectrum.

And the Boston bombers were basically incompetent at everything except detonating their explosives.

 

[Azih]

Muslims, welcome to the "Pleasedon'tbe" club.

We've been there for 12 years now mang.

 

[LightOfTruth]

Have they been confirmed as Muslims?

I really hope not.

 

[HK-47]

Breiviks was deemed mentally ill because he rambled A LOT. While he is very clearly a far right extremist, his manifesto was full of nuttery of the kind you'd only find in places like Info Wars. His beliefs are nowhere near as developed and well framed as those of Timothy McVeigh or the Unabomber, to put two examples of non-muslim terrorirsts.

Breiviks manifesto even had large parts of the Unabombers manifesto and other pieces crammed into it.

 

[The Faceless Master]

I don't trust anyone with crazy ungroomed beards like that.

you don't trust me?

 

[besada]

you don't trust me?

Me either.

 

[Pavaloo]

Such a sad state of the world. My dad tells me when I cross the border from Canada to the states to shave my face just because otherwise I'll look middle eastern. It's both enraging and terrifying.

 

[timetokill]

"We're all on the edge of our seats praying that the person who did these acts isn't a Muslim. We're tired of being blamed for the actions of one person."

The people that would blame Muslim faith for this would be quick to point out that it's well beyond the actions of "one" person at this point.

Doesn't make it right of course.

 

[speculawyer]

Fortunately, most Americans are mature enough to not associate the actions of a few nuts with most Muslims. But sadly, I would not be surprised if they are some dumb-fuck a-holes that commit completely irrational and misdirected reprisals against innocent people. :-(

 

[RiZ III]

I'm honestly very frustrated by our community leaders as a whole. They don't do enough to speak out against terrorism and violence. I was at the Friday prayer sermon today.. no mention of this or violence. Just stories about famous men in our history. I was so frustrated I couldn't even look at him as he spoke for half an hour. In all my years of going to the mosques around here, I only recall one sermon being about extremism in religion and condemning it.

 

[phosphor112]

I've already accepted it to be honest. The younger one doesn't seem religious... but maybe the older one brainwashed him. I don't know.

Anyway, I said in the other thread, my local Uni's MSA (Muslim Student Association) is offering escort services and buddy systems for Muslim/Arab/etc students in the late hours. There have been threats going around.

 

[speculawyer]

I'm honestly very frustrated by our community leaders as a whole. They don't do enough to speak out against terrorism and violence. I was at the Friday prayer sermon today.. no mention of this or violence. Just stories about famous men in our history. I was so frustrated I couldn't even look at him as he spoke for half an hour. In all my years of going to the mosques around here, I only recall one sermon being about extremism in religion and condemning it.

Some certainly do speak out.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...Marathon-attacks-but-takes-jab-at-US-policies


But what you speak of worries me. It sounds like some leaders may be afraid of alienating some of the more hardcore for fear of losing customers. They really shouldn't do that and hopefully most don't. I hope in the coming weeks some sermons address this issue.

 

[phosphor112]

With the unfortunate and tragic events in Boston, I hope fellow Americans know that Muslims share your sentiments, and stand for the same values as our neighbors. We all are relieved that the alleged perpetrators were identified, but I am sure I speak for most Muslim Americans when I prayed "Please don't let them be Muslims". I know that Islam would be maligned, and hate crimes against Muslims may start. It turns out that they were Muslims, although it is not clear what their motive was. Innocent Muslims have already been attacked, including one physician.
Muslims participated in the marathon, were amongst the first responders, and were amongst the health care professionals working diligently to save fellow American lives.
Most Muslims I know are patriotic, law abiding citizens that contribute to society. We share the grief of innocent lives lost and feel disgust at the blatant disregard for human life that radical extremists have.

A friend of mine posted this. I 100% agree.

 

[vas_a_morir]

hey wait... I thought the race of the bombers should be the last thing on people's mind (according to privileged GAFfers)

This whole shit is crazy. I hope they catch the other suspect alive.

I hate this trend. Saying people are 'privileged' is a major presumption based on prejudice.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Wait, someone else was attacked? I read the story about the woman being harassed, have there been more?

 

[richiek]

Have they been confirmed as Muslims?

I really hope not.

I believe it's been confirmed that they are Chechen Muslims.

 

[antonz]

I believe it's been confirmed that they are Chechen Muslims.

Indeed the Older Brother based on online postings could likely be considered very hardcore in his beliefs

 

[Hsieh]

It seems like this has less to do with Chechnyan politics and more to do with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups recruiting homegrown terrorists in America. The bombings probably had nothing to do with Chchnyan politics, but rather the brothers' backgrounds and difficulty fitting into American society made it easier for homegrown terrorist recruiters to recruit them.

 

[Deified Data]

The only "please don't be" that I engage in is "Please don't be a GAFfer."

That would be amazing. As in shocking, not awesome.

No, I was definitely in the "don't be a Muslim" camp. If it was a white dude we'd all breathe a sigh of relief once he was caught and move on with our lives. No white kids being discriminated against in schools. No unfair racial profiling of whites in air ports. There wouldn't be random white lynchings. I actively hoped they'd be white because their crimes wouldn't be rubbed off on the rest of their race. But they're Muslim, and we're opening this can of worms all over again.

 

[antonz]

It seems like this has less to do with Chechnyan politics and more to do with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups recruiting homegrown terrorists in America. The bombings probably had nothing to do with Chchnyan politics, but rather the brothers' backgrounds and difficulty fitting into American society made it easier for homegrown terrorist recruiters to recruit them.

Oh yeah I mentioned it last night. All it takes is one Extremists in a local mosque or even online to get into the heads of the kids and they got the job done. Al Qaeda etc are always on the look out for minds they can twist in the US because it makes the job that much easier for them.

 

[RiZ III]

Some certainly do speak out.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...Marathon-attacks-but-takes-jab-at-US-policies


But what you speak of worries me. It sounds like some leaders may be afraid of alienating some of the more hardcore for fear of losing customers. They really shouldn't do that and hopefully most don't. I hope in the coming weeks some sermons address this issue.

No it's not that because there isn't really a group that is pro violence, so they aren't afraid of speaking out. They just don't talk about things that are relevant. I know there are speakers who give good sermons and do condemn violence, but it isn't as common as it needs to be. I'm actually going to write an email to my mosque now. So frustrated.

 

[bigboss370]

more so than muslims, its the brown skinned and arab ethnicities that will face most harassment. people don't even recognize its a religion of 1 billion+ people of all cultures and ethnicities. you wouldn't know that someone like Dave Chappelle was a muslim.

 

[phosphor112]

Indeed the Older Brother based on online postings could likely be considered very hardcore in his beliefs

I don't drink, smoke, or take my shirt off around women.. does that make me hardcore? :|

 

[Forsete]

I don't drink, smoke, or take my shirt off around women.. does that make me hardcore? :|

Just shy.

 

[Azih]

It sounds like some leaders may be afraid of alienating some of the more hardcore for fear of losing customers.

It's usually more of case of ignoring it and hoping the problem will go away kind of reaction.

 

[speculawyer]

I believe it's been confirmed that they are Chechen Muslims.

Yeah, this is the article I saw.

Each of them has left possible clues online.
Tamerlan, who was killed in a shootout earlier today, appears to have been sympathetic to Islamist radicalism. Five months ago he appears to have created a channel on YouTube called “Terrorists.” The channel features videos from the one of the leaders of the insurgency in Dagestan who goes by the name Amir Abu Dudzhan. YouTube appears to have removed two of the videos but in a third features Dudzhan calling for jihad. Holding a Kalashnikov rifle, he says, “Jihad is the duty of every able-bodied Muslim.” Among the other videos on his channel is one of Timur Mutsuraev, the bard of the Chechen resistance in the 1990s; it features his song, “We will devote our lives to jihad.”

http://news.yahoo.com/brothers-tsarnaev-clues-motives-alleged-boston-bombers-162101446.html

 

[Kane Zakharov]

Knowing that they are Chechens really shocked me. Firstly because I assumed that Chechen terrorists usually focus on Russia, and secondly because now me and my family might be considered to be associated amongst them by some ignorant people (me having a Chechen first and last name doesn't help either). My father also just very recently got a job after years of unemployment, I wonder if he would've still got that job offer if this happened earlier (he's all by himself for a few months as well because he had to move for the job). This along with the other events that happened makes for a very depressing week. =\

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Their uncle has denounced them in pretty absolute terms. It's very encouraging to see that, even if the rest of the family is not being so helpful.

The uncle of the two Boston Marathon bombing suspects told CBS that the men "do not deserve to live on this earth."

"Unbelievable -- he absolutely deserved this," Tsarni said between heavy breaths. "I always told those two, Islam has always been there, just do your business. Work, go to school, be useful. Know why you came to America ... I am not sympathizing with them."

He also described Tamerlan as a “loser.”

Tsarni later told reporters outside his home that he wanted his at-large nephew to surrender and ask for forgiveness.

"I say Dzhokhar, if you’re alive, turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness from the victims, from the injured," he said, according to Fox News. "[The bombing] has nothing to do with Chechen … He put a shame on our family, he put a shame on the entire Chechen ethnicity."

 

[liger05]

I'm honestly very frustrated by our community leaders as a whole. They don't do enough to speak out against terrorism and violence. I was at the Friday prayer sermon today.. no mention of this or violence. Just stories about famous men in our history. I was so frustrated I couldn't even look at him as he spoke for half an hour. In all my years of going to the mosques around here, I only recall one sermon being about extremism in religion and condemning it.

Mosques stay away from politics and thats the problem. I remember going to the mosque the day after Iraq was being bombed and it wasnt even mentioned. Same with any conflict involving muslims. Mosques stay away from it when they shouldnt!!!

I see on twitter Arabs saying they are pleased it wasnt Arab Muslims. How stupid are these people!!!

 

[RiZ III]

Mosques stay away from politics and thats the problem. I remember going to the mosque the day after Iraq was being bombed and it wasnt even mentioned. Same with any conflict involving muslims. Mosques stay away from it when they shouldnt!!!

I see on twitter Arabs saying they are pleased it wasnt Arab Muslims. How stupid are these people!!!

I understand not meddling with politics, but terrorism isn't just politics. It is a very real threat facing the Muslim community. When one of our youth goes off the deep end, it's our fault as a community for not doing enough to prevent it.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Their uncle has denounced them in pretty absolute terms. It's very encouraging to see that, even if the rest of the family is not being so helpful.

Helpful? I imagine it's pretty hard to be helpful when you're only just realising two sons/brothers/etc were responsible for the terrorist attack (through the news no less) and then hours later finding out one is dead and the other is on the run.

I'd say it's pretty normal for the immediate family to not immediately come out as the uncle did, who it appears isn't as close to the family. Let's not forget they are in shock too, their entire world has come down around them, just as it has for those people who lost loved ones.

 

[bigboss370]

I understand not meddling with politics, but terrorism isn't just politics. It is a very real threat facing the Muslim community. When one of our youth goes off the deep end, it's our fault as a community for not doing enough to prevent it.

why is that? how is it a fault of the community unless the community teaches that doing acts of terror is okay?

 

[Guileless]

As bad as this bombing and crime spree is, obviously 9/11 was exponentially worse and while there were incidents in a country of 300 million, the worst thing I remember hearing about was one Sikh guy being killed. Obviously one violent act is too many, but I would be surprised at any major backlash.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

I'd say it's pretty normal for the immediate family to not immediately come out as the uncle did

It's not just that they're not coming out, it's that they're out there accusing the government of conspiring against their family. This is not helpful to anyone except maybe Infowars.

 

[Freezie KO]

No, I was definitely in the "don't be a Muslim" camp. If it was a white dude we'd all breathe a sigh of relief once he was caught and move on with our lives. No white kids being discriminated against in schools. No unfair racial profiling of whites in air ports. There wouldn't be random white lynchings. I actively hoped they'd be white because their crimes wouldn't be rubbed off on the rest of their race. But they're Muslim, and we're opening this can of worms all over again.

Muslim isn't a race. It's an adherence to a religion, based on a book written by the followers of a 6th century warrior. That book, allegedly the infallible word of a god, dictates certain life principles.

 

[EightBitNate]

I'm so outta the loop right now, but one of the two is still alive, correct? I hope he gets put on trial so they can ask him what his motives were. Just because they were Muslim does not mean the bombing was caused by their religion.

The Facebook posts I've seen are pretty sickening. I've read statuses about a neo-holocaust, refusing service to Muslims, etc. Thankfully none of my friends have posted anything like that.

 

[RiZ III]

why is that? how is it a fault of the community unless the community teaches that doing acts of terror is okay?

Because they didn't do enough to prevent and stamp out such ideology within their youth. That's why we have all kinds of prevention programs. Drug prevention, crime prevention, helmet safety (Headstart, etc.), bullying prevention, disease prevention, anti-smoking campaigns, no texting while driving signs everywhere, and all kinds of other educational programs that are fed to us since we are kids. These are in place so that everyone clearly understands what is good and what is bad. It's a collective responsibility stemming from the household and going all the way up as far as it can go.

 

[Htown]

I hate this trend. Saying people are 'privileged' is a major presumption based on prejudice.

only if you don't understand what "privileged" means

 

[speculawyer]

I'm so outta the loop right now, but one of the two is still alive, correct? I hope he gets put on trial so they can ask him what his motives were. Just because they were Muslim does not mean the bombing was caused by their religion.

The Facebook posts I've seen are pretty sickening. I've read statuses about a neo-holocaust, refusing service to Muslims, etc. Thankfully none of my friends have posted anything like that.

Yes, one is still at large.


I'm glad I don't have Facebook, seeing that would be depressing. When you see stuff like that, you really do start to understand that ordinary people can do horrible things when they make bad associations.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

only if you don't understand what "privileged" means

It means you oppose DRM in games of course.

 

[victreeb3l]

Muslims, welcome to the "Pleasedon'tbe" club.

fuck man. thats the first thing that comes into my head when any tragedy occurs that hits the news. this club sucks