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Boston bombings: Muslim Americans await bomber's ID

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It was right after 9/11 where I got a slight case of schizophrenia. I still think someone on the street will randomly shoot me in the back in some driveby shooting. I think that some government body is recording my conversations. Or someone will shout at me for being a Muslim. Or that there's a sniper with their laser pointed at me if I look out from my place's windows.

I was a teenager then, and obviously realize now that it's all delusions, but man was that and still is a weird time. I wouldn't be surprised if other Muslims got a bit paranoid.
 
Muslim isn't a race. It's an adherence to a religion, based on a book written by the followers of a 6th century warrior. That book, allegedly the infallible word of a god, dictates certain life principles.

I'm plainly aware. The people susceptible to this type of thinking are not.
 
I'm plainly aware. The people susceptible to this type of thinking are not.

But you compared it to profiling a white person getting on a plane. One is a race, the other is a set of beliefs. We profile people for their beliefs all the time. The FBI even got flack for profiling far right wing ex-veterans, but they were absolutely correct to do so as that group has more potential for domestic terrorism than elderly swing voters in Florida.
 

2San

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Muslim isn't a race. It's an adherence to a religion, based on a book written by the followers of a 6th century warrior. That book, allegedly the infallible word of a god, dictates certain life principles.
Yet when hate crimes do occur aimed at Muslims, it mostly ends up hitting brown people regardless of what religion they adhere too.
 

Cyan

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/study-majority-of-americans-not-informed-enough-to,32124/

HINGTON—Following FBI reports this morning that the suspects implicated in Monday’s Boston Marathon bombing are of Chechen descent, efforts to thoughtlessly stereotype the alleged terrorists were impeded by the majority of Americans’ lack of basic knowledge about Chechnya or the Chechen people, a new study has confirmed. “Our research shows that, while many Americans would like nothing more than to make sweeping, insensitive generalizations about these two individuals based purely on their ethnic identity, this process is largely impeded by the fact that 9 out of 10 Americans truly know next to nothing about Chechnya, including even the very barest details of what or where Chechnya is,” said lead researcher Dr. Tim Kinane, adding that a majority of American citizens are almost totally unaware of Chechen history and culture, how to locate Chechnya on a map, whether Chechnya is a country or a city or a region, or that a person from Chechnya is called a Chechen. “Clinical trials show that most individuals will make brief, fumbling attempts to stereotype Chechens based on what little they know about Russians, but eventually drop the subject entirely after running out of anything to say within seconds.” Kinane’s team was able to confirm, however, that once research subjects were told Chechnya is a predominantly Muslim region, they were “usually pretty good to go from there.”
 

spwolf

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i didnt see any of the major news reports mentioning he is an muslim, so everyone has been pretty careful on that... what I have seen is local media basically spreading fear - "Americans call for death of Muslims", and then reference some random tweet.
 

Codeblue

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Muslims, welcome to the "Pleasedon'tbe" club.

At first I didn't understand that people would be stereotyping me until I got asked if there was a bomb in my lunchbox then punched in the face when I was 12.

It's not even a matter of "Pleasedon'tbe" anymore because I'm empathetic to every group that has to put up with this. I find it's easier to just hope that the suspect is white so no one has to deal with it.

Edit: I will say that I've heard way more "Obama is trying to take away our guns" than "Muslims want to kill us all" this time around for whatever reason. I suspect it has something to do with that Onion link Cyan posted.
 
But you compared it to profiling a white person getting on a plane. One is a race, the other is a set of beliefs. We profile people for their beliefs all the time. The FBI even got flack for profiling far right wing ex-veterans, but they were absolutely correct to do so as that group has more potential for domestic terrorism than elderly swing voters in Florida.

You're looking for an argument where there isn't any. These actions won't inspire hate crimes against "brown people" - their skin color is incidental. It's the mistaken belief that A) all of these people are Muslim, and B) that all of these Muslims are extremists that will inspire unrest in xenophobes. Race, religion, ethnicity - to your average lynch mob there is no difference.

I didn't make a positive comparison between profiling a "Muslim" and profiling a white person. I said that profiling white people is something that simply doesn't happen.
 

ZiZ

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honestly, I don't care anymore.

Why should I and a whole religion, race, skin color bare the sin of a rogue asshole scum of the earth human being. We didn't help him, or persuade him, hell I'm sure we've done a lot more to try and prevent these things than the ones who blame us for them.

The irony is that the people who blame us have voted and elected a government that kills innocents by the thousands, that spends more money on war than everything else, financed by the tax payers money. They don't realize that every bullet and every missile was payed from their own wallets, or worse, some realize and are proud of it.
 

jimi_dini

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If Muslim = terrorism
If non-muslim = mental illness
???

Logic behind this is:

- Breivik killed people and is white + christian
- "I'm white (and possibly christian) and I know that I'm not a terrorist and my friends/family is white + possibly christian and they aren't terrorists either"
- ergo Breivik must be insane or something, because white (+ christian) people don't do this shit unless mentally ill or something

On the other hand
- News said that the latest terrorists were Muslim + brown
- "I don't know anyone that is Muslim nor brown besides those terrorists"
- ergo Muslims + brown people are terrorists
 

Scrooged

Totally wronger about Nintendo's business decisions.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580534/fbi-interviewed-dead-boston-bombing-suspect-years-ago/

FBI interviewed dead Boston bombing suspect years ago

The FBI admitted Friday they interviewed the now-deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev two years ago and failed to find any incriminating information about him.

As first reported by CBS News correspondent Bob Orr, the FBI interviewed Tsarnaev, the elder brother of at-large bombing suspect Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, at the request of a foreign government to see if he had any extremist ties, but failed to find any linkage.

Both Tsarnaev brothers were legal permanent residents of the U.S. There is no evidence so far that either brother received any tactical training.

CBS News correspondent John Miller reports it is likely Russia asked to have the elder Tsarnaev vetted because of suspected ties to Chechen extremists.

The FBI is likely to have run a background check, running his name through all the relevant databases, including those of other agencies, checking on his communications and all of his overseas travel. Miller reports that culminated in a sit-down interview where they probably asked him a lot of questions about his life, his contacts, his surroundings. All of this was then written in a report and sent it to the requesting government.

This is an issue they've had in the past. They interviewed Carlos Bledsoe in Little Rock, Ark., before he shot up an Army recruiting station in 2009. They were also looking into Major Hasan Nadal before the Fort Hood shootings.

However, the FBI has maintained in those incidents that they took all the steps they were asked to and were allowed to under the law.

Although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers' mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.

Zubeidat Tsarnaeva said her son got involved in "religious politics" about five years ago, and never told her he was involved in "jihad."

She insisted the FBI "knew what he was doing on Skype" and that they counseled him "every step of the way."

Tsarnaeva, who is a U.S. citizen currently in Russia, told Russia Today the FBI had called her with concerns about her elder son, although she did not specify when exactly she was contacted.

"They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me ... they were telling me that he was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him," Tsarnaeva said. "They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites... they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step...and now they say that this is a terrorist act!"
 

nib95

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Logic behind this is:

- Breivik killed people and is white + christian
- "I'm white (and possibly christian) and I know that I'm not a terrorist and my friends/family is white + possibly christian and they aren't terrorists either"
- ergo Breivik must be insane or something, because white (+ christian) people don't do this shit unless mentally ill or something

On the other hand
- News said that the latest terrorists were Muslim + brown
- "I don't know anyone that is Muslim nor brown besides those terrorists"
- ergo Muslims + brown people are terrorists

A very oversimplified summary, but probably partly true for many people lol. I've always found elements of media to be indirectly racist from time to time anyway. In every country really.
 
only if you don't understand what "privileged" means

If it wouldn't be too much of a bother, would you elaborate on this point? It's clear we have different interpretations of the term, and I would like to better understand it, as I hear it all the time on GAF.

As far as NeoGAF is concerned, I personally interpret it as someone having inherent social advantages that disqualify them from having a well-rounded and informed opinion about subjects regarding issues that affect those without said advantages.
 
Logic behind this is:

- Breivik killed people and is white + christian
- "I'm white (and possibly christian) and I know that I'm not a terrorist and my friends/family is white + possibly christian and they aren't terrorists either"
- ergo Breivik must be insane or something, because white (+ christian) people don't do this shit unless mentally ill or something

On the other hand
- News said that the latest terrorists were Muslim + brown
- "I don't know anyone that is Muslim nor brown besides those terrorists"
- ergo Muslims + brown people are terrorists

Basically this
 
Such a sad state of the world. My dad tells me when I cross the border from Canada to the states to shave my face just because otherwise I'll look middle eastern. It's both enraging and terrifying.

LOL, I shave too when I cross the border or fly. Three day stubble can really change perceptions.

But seriously, today's men need to learn to shave. back in the old days, people shaved everyday. So shaving prior to travel is duh normal
 
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IpsoFacto

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It's actually something like this...

Step 1: Terrorist act happens
Step 2: Western Media speculates or rather prays that it might be the act of a white christian/neo-nazi/right wing/sincretic that represents a group that the left wing blogoshere generally hates/sterotypes and profiles in the worst possible manner

Step 3 with a following fork:

Step 3a: Falls into the category from Step 2, hailed as victory to showcase how right wing is evil/insane/unstable, maintains aggressive proactive behaviour against people who disagree with their views and demands change, incluind shunning and marginilization of non-liberal and non-Democrat talking points.

Step 3b: Perp doesn't fit the profile, leftwing-leaning suddenly silent, becomes passive, attemps to create idealistic scenario for the perp, desperatly seeks justification forthe perps action, distracts people with calculated faux drama "this will be be bad for the minorities living in America" meme or whatever variant.
 
It's actually something like this...

Step 1: Terrorist act happens
Step 2: Western Media speculates or rather prays that it might be the act of a white christian/neo-nazi/right wing/sincretic that represents a group that the left wing blogoshere generally hates/sterotypes and profiles in the worst possible manner

Step 3 with a following fork:

Step 3a: Falls into the category from Step 2, hailed as victory to showcase how right wing is evil/insane/unstable, maintains aggressive proactive behaviour against people who disagree with their views and demands change, incluind shunning and marginilization of non-liberal and non-Democrat talking points.

Step 3b: Perp doesn't fit the profile, leftwing-leaning suddenly silent, becomes passive, attemps to create idealistic scenario for the perp, desperatly seeks justification forthe perps action, distracts people with calculated faux drama "this will be be bad for the minorities living in America" meme or whatever variant.

Just as Limbaugh surmised. Good job drone!
 

sephi22

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Not just for muslims, but for all brown people. While our names might be different, our appearances are similar, at least to white guys

I was born an Indian hindu, and while walking with my friend a couple of days back, a couple of white guys who were passing by said 'whadup gangsters? Salaam waalekum.'. I didn't think much of it, but when it comes down to it, the average white dude can't tell brown people apart.

So I hope with the rest of muslim-GAF that this doesn't lead to any sort of racial/religious violence.
 

Samyy

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Not just for muslims, but for all brown people. While our names might be different, our appearances are similar, at least to white guys

I was born an Indian hindu, and while walking with my friend a couple of days back, a couple of white guys who were passing by said 'whadup gangsters? Salaam waalekum.'. I didn't think much of it, but when it comes down to it, the average white dude can't tell brown people apart.

So I hope with the rest of muslim-GAF that this doesn't lead to any sort of racial/religious violence.

Especially Sikh people :(
They always seem to get caught up in this due to the beards and turbans.
 
Okay, so these guys are apparently muslins, but do they have any affiliation with Al Qaeda or any terrorist organizations?

We don't know. Hopefully we will learn from the Joker. Initially, I've been assuming no. But now that his brother's social media pages took on an terrorist appreciation bent after returning from a trip to Russia . . . well maybe.
 

Where is this from? It seems a bit dubious with the "others". Hmm, how come right wing militias like Ruby ridge, timothy mcveigh, that guy who flew his plane into an IRS building, etc. don't even merit a slice?

And who are these latino terrorists? I wouldn't put drug cartels fighting with each other in as 'terrorism' if that is what it is . . . they are not going after the general public.
 

VeeP

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I still remember, probably a month or two after 9/11, my grandpa took my cousins to the park. I went to the park on my bike to play on the playground/swings/etc. When I got there, these kids were throwing rocks on at my grandpa and screaming "Go Back" or something similar. I didn't really realize what was happening until after I went home and told my sisters about it.

I learned that apparently, because my grandpa is Sikh, has brown skin, and wears a turban, people are going to assume he's a terroist.

Now whenever I hear of national tragedies like the Bostom Bombings, I pray that the culprit isn't Muslim/Brown. It's terrible that that's the first thought that comes to my mind. Not that how many people have died or were injured, or if the culprit was attacked. I'm just sick of all this ignorance and hate.
 

TiVo

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Hope not off-topic but one thing I notice.

Islamists never proclaim Jihad against their own Islamist who corrupt the faith but will rail against non-Islamists who threaten the faith.

African Americans who should declare war against gangsta-rap, drug-dealers, thug youth, etc. but are quick to rail up against any non-black using the n-word or rallying to get an African American actor to join the cast of friends, etc.

Catholics won't hold their child-molesting priests feet to the fire and those that cover it up but quick to defend the faith against the war on the church.
 
It's actually something like this...

Step 1: Terrorist act happens
Step 2: Western Media speculates or rather prays that it might be the act of a white christian/neo-nazi/right wing/sincretic that represents a group that the left wing blogoshere generally hates/sterotypes and profiles in the worst possible manner

Step 3 with a following fork:

Step 3a: Falls into the category from Step 2, hailed as victory to showcase how right wing is evil/insane/unstable, maintains aggressive proactive behaviour against people who disagree with their views and demands change, incluind shunning and marginilization of non-liberal and non-Democrat talking points.

Step 3b: Perp doesn't fit the profile, leftwing-leaning suddenly silent, becomes passive, attemps to create idealistic scenario for the perp, desperatly seeks justification forthe perps action, distracts people with calculated faux drama "this will be be bad for the minorities living in America" meme or whatever variant.

Where have you seen this happening? Holy strawman.
 

Hindle

Banned
Isn't it tactless to play the victim card so soon after the attacks? An eight year old kid lost his life, and yet we have a thread like this? Nothing has happened to the Muslim community and probably nothing will happen, but that kids family will never see him again.

Frankly I'm disgusted.
 
Where is this from? It seems a bit dubious with the "others". Hmm, how come right wing militias like Ruby ridge, timothy mcveigh, that guy who flew his plane into an IRS building, etc. don't even merit a slice?

And who are these latino terrorists? I wouldn't put drug cartels fighting with each other in as 'terrorism' if that is what it is . . . they are not going after the general public.

Really, Latinos?


It was created by this link
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/


Using the list at the end of the page of this

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05
 

Nesotenso

Member
Isn't it tactless to play the victim card so soon after the attacks? An eight year old kid lost his life, and yet we have a thread like this? Nothing has happened to the Muslim community and probably nothing will happen, but that kids family will never see him again.

Frankly I'm disgusted.

how is worrying about reprisals playing the victim card ?

What tells you that the people expressing concern about possible fallout in this thread don't feel for the victims and their families ?
 

Prine

Banned
Isn't it tactless to play the victim card so soon after the attacks? An eight year old kid lost his life, and yet we have a thread like this? Nothing has happened to the Muslim community and probably nothing will happen, but that kids family will never see him again.

Frankly I'm disgusted.


http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/florida-mosque-bombed-fbi-calls-help-nation

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-attack-on-muslim-familys-home-189416181.html

Believe it or not, many live in fear and have to plan their day to limit potential hateful conflicts.
 

Hindle

Banned
how is worrying about reprisals playing the victim card ?

What tells you that the people expressing concern about possible fallout in this thread don't feel for the victims and their families ?

I'm pretty sure Amercians have more to worry about at this moment in time then getting revenge on Muslims? Thin also pretty sure it's the last thing they're thinking about as well. A bomb just injured umpteenth innocent people, it's not the time for threads like this.
 
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