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theBishop

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J Tourettes said:
How can you have it 7 - 5 and then call robbery? 7 - 5 sounds like a close fight that could have gone either way to me. If it was 10 - 2 then fair enough.
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It was a close fight, I'm not denying that. But Malignaggi was in control of the ring in the last few rounds. They were going back and forth in the first half. Giving a unanimous decision to Diaz is suspicious, calling it 118-110 is downright corrupt.
 
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BigKaboom2

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theBishop said:
Giving a unanimous decision to Diaz is suspicious
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Uhhh...so you want the judges to have differing opinions on who won the fight? Why wouldn't you want it to be unanimous for the person you thought won?

118-110 was certainly not what I had, but most of the rounds were a toss-up and the judges were local. Not surprising.
 
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theBishop

Banned
BigKaboom2 said:
Uhhh...so you want the judges to have differing opinions on who won the fight? Why wouldn't you want it to be unanimous for the person you thought won?

118-110 was certainly not what I had, but most of the rounds were a toss-up and the judges were local. Not surprising.
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It was a close fight. I'm not pretending Paulie dominated Diaz. But he edged it out convincingly, and I'm hardly alone in saying it:

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=21078

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=164018&page=3

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299408

http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=1980147
 
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BigKaboom2

Member
I still think it's pretty easily defended by noting that Malignaggi only outlanded Diaz by 13, and was clearly not the one throwing the more powerful punches. More often than not the judges just give it to the guy who threw more in the round, but ironically in this case they probably scored it more intelligently because of their impartiality. :lol
 
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Quazar

Member
Been quiet lately.

Showtime tonight!

September 12
At Herning, Denmark (Showtime, same-day tape): Mikkel Kessler vs. Gusmyr Perdomo, 12 rounds, for Kessler's WBA super middleweight title; Cecilia Braekhus vs. Lucia Morelli, 10 rounds, female welterweights; Alexander Frenkel vs. Laszlo Hubert, 8 rounds, cruiserweights; Jaqueline Nowack vs. Vinni Skovgaard, 6 rounds, female welterweights; Kasper Bruun vs. Mihaly Telekfi, 6 rounds, lightweights; Ahmed Kaddour vs. Mike Ermis, 6 rounds, middleweights; Zoltan Borovics vs. TBA, 4 rounds, middleweights

At Temecula, Calif. (Showtime): Andre Ward vs. Shelby Pudwill, 10 rounds, super middleweights; James Toney vs. Matt Greer, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Francisco Santana vs. Tony Hirsch, 8 rounds, junior middleweights; Mike Dallas Jr. vs. Vincent Arroyo, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Rico Ramos vs. Victor Martinez, 8 rounds, junior featherweights; Terrel Williams vs. Joshua Zurflugh, 4 rounds, welterweights

Starts 10EST.

Lets laugh if one of them loses.
 
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Quazar

Member
xPowerPadDeathStompx said:
I don't know if the James Toney fight is going to be televised, but he has lost a shit ton of weight....hope he's not on the Chris Byrd diet!
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I was hoping it would be. I think you're right though.
 
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x Power Pad Death Stomp x

Member
from Fight News:

Toney destroys Greer

Pechanga Casino in Temecula, California

By Rocco Morales at ringside

Heavyweight James Toney improved to 72-6-3, 44 KOs, with a convincing victory over trialhorse Matthew Greer, who drops to 12-6, 11 KOs. Greer did try to apply some pressure but was unable to cope with the speed, combinations or defense of Toney. Toney dropped Greer in round two and continued to batter Greer with vicious left hooks to the body and overhand right crosses that he landed at will. The referee finally called a stop to the fight at 2:33 of round two to give Toney the TKO victory and keep him in title contention.
 
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Quazar

Member
xPowerPadDeathStompx said:
from Fight News:

Toney destroys Greer

Pechanga Casino in Temecula, California

By Rocco Morales at ringside

Heavyweight James Toney improved to 72-6-3, 44 KOs, with a convincing victory over trialhorse Matthew Greer, who drops to 12-6, 11 KOs. Greer did try to apply some pressure but was unable to cope with the speed, combinations or defense of Toney. Toney dropped Greer in round two and continued to batter Greer with vicious left hooks to the body and overhand right crosses that he landed at will. The referee finally called a stop to the fight at 2:33 of round two to give Toney the TKO victory and keep him in title contention.
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lol nice

So who are you people betting on in tourny? I think AA will win it. He's a fucking tortoise.
 
H

harSon

Banned
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4478216
Mayweather lashes out at perception
Floyd Mayweather, getting ready for his first bout in 21 months, has apparently lost none of the chip on his shoulder that made him one of boxing's most intriguing figures.

In an otherwise calm meeting with reporters on Tuesday, including ESPN.com's Kieran Mulvaney, Mayweather calmly and matter-of-factly lashed out at what he thinks is unfair treatment from the media and the public, in part because of his race.
"If you're rich, you're a rich n-----," he said. "If you're poor, you're a poor n----. If you're smart, you're a smart n-----. At the end of the day, they still look at me as a n-----."

Mayweather meets Juan Manuel Marquez in a 144-pound bout at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on Saturday night (HBO PPV). Mayweather, 32, hasn't fought since beating Ricky Hatton nearly two years ago.

Earlier in the conversation, Mayweather compared reception he received in England earlier this year to what he gets in the United States.

"This country needs to be more positive," he said. "We're already at war. We're in a recession, we're at war and we continue to be negative. The fans in the UK showed me more love than in my own country. That's crazy ... Sometimes I'll sit back, I'll be in my theater sometimes, and I'll think: 'Imagine if I was the same fighter that I am, and I was the same person that I am, and I was from another country. Can you just imagine how big I'd be?'

"But I wouldn't change my life for nothing in the world. There's nothing like being young, black and rich. But there are certain things you think about. If Floyd Mayweather was white, I'd be the biggest athlete in America. The biggest, the biggest. I know that for a fact."

Mayweather compared his public persona to that of Oscar De La Hoya, who he beat on a split decision over in May 2007.

"One thing you never hear. You never hear anything negative about Oscar De La Hoya," he said. "Anything he do negative, it gets swept under the rug."

He continued by complaining about two of HBO's broadcasters, who will be calling Saturday's fight.

"Larry Merchant don't know nothing about boxing," Mayweather said. "What's that other guy's name [at HBO]? [Emanuel Steward]. He's an Uncle Tom.

"One thing you can't knock. You can not knock my talent."

Tuesday, it was reported that Mayweather is being sued by a bank in Las Vegas for more than $167,000 unpaid on a loan for a half-million-dollar luxury car. Also, county records in Las Vegas show Mayweather has one unresolved lien with the Internal Revenue Service for $6.17 million in unpaid taxes from 2007. Other records show homeowners associations, the state of New Jersey and a trash collector have also claimed Mayweather did not pay bills.

Mayweather was not asked about the financial issues in his chat with reporters, but on a recent episode of HBO's Mayweather/Marquez "24/7," which is documenting the fighters as they prepare for Saturday's match, he said: "I got a good relationship with the IRS; they ain't took nothing away from me."

In late August, Las Vegas police investigating a shooting outside a skating rink seized two handguns, ammunition and two bulletproof vests from the home and two cars of Mayweather. He was not named as a suspect in the investigation and was never charged.
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Most of what he says is complete bullshit, although there's probably some merit to him possibly being more popular if he were White, but the reasons wouldn't be racism for the most part :lol
 
C

cthoaa

Member
I haven't kept up with the build to tomorrow's fight at all. I'll try to catch up on the first three 24/7s before tonight's finale. From what I read, the biggest reveal was that
JMM drinks his pee?

I don't know anyone that can watch with me this weekend so I'm going to one of the participating theaters just to see what that's like and find out what kind of people (if any) would go out of their way for this fight. Hopefully the undercard lives up to its potential because on paper those fights offer good support.

The weigh-in is in a half-hour @ 5:30 EDT/2:30 PDT; the weight to make is 144 pounds. ESPN will stream footage.
 
puebla

puebla

Member
i thought the fight was supposed to be a catchweight of 144? oh well, i hope juan takes it but he's not winning a decision and a ko is unlikely.

anyways

WARQUEZ!
 
S

SSGMUN10000

Connoisseur Of Tedium
My mind goes with Mayweather my heart goes with Marquez. Mayweather has all the advantages in this fight. It would be awesome if Marquez can pull the upset.
 
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SUPREME1

Banned
Mayweather was raised by criminals... He likes the life style, there's no denying it.

Now that he's f*cking rich, he thinks people will look at him differently... Even as he continues to surround himself with criminals?


Lol.
 
O

oneHeero

Member
Will be watching the fight Saturday but I expect Mayweather to run around the whole fight, thankfully Marquez isnt going to get beat up so easily like Delahoya did.
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
harSon said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4478216
Mayweather lashes out at perception


Most of what he says is complete bullshit, although there's probably some merit to him possibly being more popular if he were White, but the reasons wouldn't be racism for the most part :lol
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there is absolutely ZERO merit to what he says about race. Its not like the Klitchsko brothers, or Joe Calzaghe were lighting up the sports world. Nobody even knows who they are. Floyd has a fight style that just isn't very appealing to casual fans on top of the fact that boxing itself is on life support and that is the reason Floyd is not the most popular athlete on the planet. In fact, if you want to get into the race debate, i'd argue that america is MORE accepting of black athletes being flashy and cocky like Floyd is than white athletes. If he were white people would probably consider him an even bigger jackass.
 
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harSon

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
there is absolutely ZERO merit to what he says about race. Its not like the Klitchsko brothers, or Joe Calzaghe were lighting up the sports world. Nobody even knows who they are. Floyd has a fight style that just isn't very appealing to casual fans on top of the fact that boxing itself is on life support and that is the reason Floyd is not the most popular athlete on the planet. In fact, if you want to get into the race debate, i'd argue that america is MORE accepting of black athletes being flashy and cocky like Floyd is than white athletes. If he were white people would probably consider him an even bigger jackass.
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There is merit to it, and as I said, it doesn't have to do with ethnicity (Well, it does, but not in a negative sense). When its unprecedented for a particular ethnicity to dominate a sport (For example; Tiger Woods in golf, Serena and Venus in Tennis, Manny Paq in boxing, etc.) and then one dominates that sport, they tend to become pretty popular. If a White American dominated a weight division that mattered, I guarantee that person would be popular as fuck.
 
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SUPREME1

Banned
I have DirectTv, sans HBO. I must see the fight tomorrow. My name is Marquez for crying out loud.


Do I need to already be an HBO subscriber to order an HBO/Pay-per-view fight?


Help me Gaf, help me.
 
J

J Tourettes

Banned
harSon said:
There is merit to it, and as I said, it doesn't have to do with ethnicity (Well, it does, but not in a negative sense). When its unprecedented for a particular ethnicity to dominate a sport (For example; Tiger Woods in golf, Serena and Venus in Tennis, Manny Paq in boxing, etc.) and then one dominates that sport, they tend to become pretty popular. If a White American dominated a weight division that mattered, I guarantee that person would be popular as fuck.
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Which weight division has PBf dominated recently?
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
harSon said:
There is merit to it, and as I said, it doesn't have to do with ethnicity (Well, it does, but not in a negative sense). When its unprecedented for a particular ethnicity to dominate a sport (For example; Tiger Woods in golf, Serena and Venus in Tennis, Manny Paq in boxing, etc.) and then one dominates that sport, they tend to become pretty popular. If a White American dominated a weight division that mattered, I guarantee that person would be popular as fuck.
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not if its a weight division that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Lets not overrate the popularity of someone like Manny Pacquiao though. Yes he is very well known, particularly in light of his last two fights, but honestly I think someone like Floyd is just as well known, probably just not as popular, but that has more to do with his personality and fighting style, both of which can be off putting, than the color of his skin. You honestly believe that if Floyd was white he'd be up there with Tiger and Lebron in the current sports world pantheon? I just don't get Mayweather's beef. There really hasn't been a white boxing superstar since...Rocky Marciano? Since then we've had Muhammed Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, all considered at the top of the sports world. The reason you can't be a black boxer and be a huge sports superstar anymore isn't because you are black, its because you are a boxer.
 
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harSon

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
not if its a weight division that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Lets not overrate the popularity of someone like Manny Pacquiao though. Yes he is very well known, particularly in light of his last two fights, but honestly I think someone like Floyd is just as well known, probably just not as popular, but that has more to do with his personality and fighting style, both of which can be off putting, than the color of his skin. You honestly believe that if Floyd was white he'd be up there with Tiger and Lebron in the current sports world pantheon?
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Depends if that person revitalizes the sport, which would be very possible if it were to come true.
 
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Baby Milo

Member
oneHeero said:
Will be watching the fight Saturday but I expect Mayweather to run around the whole fight, thankfully Marquez isnt going to get beat up so easily like Delahoya did.
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run from JMM? a guy he is physically bigger and stronger than? JMM was having trouble with Diaz. its gonna be a long and painful night for him. I like JMM but its gonna be tough for him.
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
harSon said:
Depends if that person revitalizes the sport, which would be very possible if it were to come true.
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true, but I don't think the general public would discriminate when it comes to that next great boxer. If another black boxer came along and brought the same kind of excitement as say, Mike Tyson, people would embrace him like crazy.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Is there anyone out there that thinks this fight will be close? There's a slight risk of ring-rust from Mayweather but not enough to see Marquez win IMO. Marquez looked soft at 135, I don't think the extra weight at 147 is going to help him.
 
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Quazar

Member
September 18
At Miami Beach, Fla. (ESPN2): Guillermo Rigondeaux vs. Giovanni Andrade, 10 rounds, junior featherweights; Felix Diaz vs. Luis Adorno, 4 rounds, junior welterweights; Yunier Dorticos vs. Melvin Miller, 4 rounds, cruiserweight; Yordanis Despaigne vs. Micky Scaraborough, 4 rounds, light heavyweight; Yudel Johnson vs. Frankie Santos, 4 rounds, junior middleweights; Stalin Lopez vs. John Figueroa, 6 rounds, junior welterweights; Erik Leander vs. Eric Womack, 6 rounds, heavyweights

t Santa Yanez, Calif. (Showtime): Travis Kauffman vs. Tony Grano, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Chris Avalos vs. Giovanni Caro, 8 rounds, bantamweights; Rufino Serrano vs. Jose Luis Mares, 4 rounds, featherweights; Abraham Lopez vs. Noe Lopez Jr., 6 rounds, featherweights; Jose Guzman vs. Carl McNickols, 6 rounds, lightweights; Orlando Lora vs. Hicklet Lau, 8 rounds, welterweights; Archie Ray Marquez vs. Mario Galan, 6 rounds, lightweights; Darryl Hayes vs. Jose Pechago, 6 rounds, lightweights

ESPN 9EST
SHOW 11EST
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
J Tourettes said:
Is there anyone out there that thinks this fight will be close? There's a slight risk of ring-rust from Mayweather but not enough to see Marquez win IMO. Marquez looked soft at 135, I don't think the extra weight at 147 is going to help him.
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those excellent 24/7 eps always make me think the underdogs will have a chance for some reason. Part of me is rooting for Marquez, even though I really like PBF, but I don't think he has much of a chance to be honest, because if he did Floyd wouldn't have taken this fight.
 
V

Verano

Reads Ace as Lace. May God have mercy on their soul
damn. The Marquez fight is tomorruhs. Brix will be shat GAF if Marquez wins this shit.
:lol
 
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SSGMUN10000

Connoisseur Of Tedium
I was reading on eastsideboxing that there was some issues during the weigh-in. Mayweather weighed in at 146 and Marquez at 142. Supposedly they were going to fight at a catch weight at 144. This gives Mayweather even more of an advantage.
 
puebla

puebla

Member
last episode of 24/7 on right now. then a replay of Marquez/Diaz & Mayweather/Hatton will be shown on one of the HBO channels.
 
puebla

puebla

Member
According to ESPN Mayweather loses $300k per pound

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4485941

LAS VEGAS -- Floyd Mayweather Jr. weighed in at 146 pounds on Friday afternoon, two pounds heavier than the weight stipulated in the contract for his comeback fight against lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

The excess weight will cost Mayweather $300,000 per pound, meaning Marquez will get an additional $600,000 on top of his $3.2 million guarantee, a source told ESPN.com. Mayweather's minimum guarantee is $10 million, a figure likely to dramatically increase after the pay-per-view receipts are counted.

Marquez, who has never fought heavier than 135 pounds, comfortably made 142 pounds, two less than the 144-pound contract weight.

At Mayweather's request, nobody would speak publicly about the contract weight throughout the promotion that kicked off in early May and continued into the fall when the fight was postponed from July 18 because of a Mayweather rib injury.

However, several sources with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com all along that the contract maximum weight was 144 pounds, three less than the 147-pound welterweight maximum.

But after Friday's weigh in, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer finally addressed the issue, telling ESPN.com, "The fight was contracted as a welterweight fight with an agreed upon weight of 144 pounds. However, there were pre-negotiated weight penalties built in."

Schaefer would not disclose the dollar figure, but another source with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com that the penalty was $300,000 per pound if either fighter was overweight.

According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it.

Mayweather's contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh in. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday.

Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went.

"We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather's contract," Kizer said.

Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over (147 pounds), the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.
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I

Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
Shame it's on at the same time as the UFC, going to be a pain trying to watch both.
 
H

harSon

Banned
Still don't think Marquez has the speed to catch Mayweather, I don't think Mayweather is going to knock him out though, maybe stoppage in the late rounds.
 
B

BamYouHaveAids

Member
harSon said:
Still don't think Marquez has the speed to catch Mayweather, I don't think Mayweather is going to knock him out though, maybe stoppage in the late rounds.
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I don't see Mayweather stopping Marquez. This fight has UD written all over it.
 
T

TheCardPlayer

Likes to have "friends" around to "play cards" with
This fight is gonna be fucking huge. Holy cow. One of the biggest fights of the year in importance. Damn, this is exciting. Good luck to both men.
 
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