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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Zeliard said:
Jesse seems to have hardened up a lot but it's hard to tell, especially with him, how much of it is just hot air. His silence when Walt kept pressing him about Gale was telling, though it could be he really has decided it was simply necessary from their point of view.

But since the show has made it a point to show that Jesse can be very emotionally vulnerable, I don't know if we've seen the last of the Gale thing coming up as a problem for him.
Oh it would be utterly shocking if Jesse killing Gale doesn't reverberate in his character's psyche for the rest of the season, if not the series.
 

smokeymicpot

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U2NUMB said:
So what does everyone make of Saul in this episode. Am I forgetting something at the end of season 3? He looked like he was ready to be taken in.

Saul looked like he was going crazy. He knew something was up looking under everything.
 

B.K.

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purg3 said:
Am I the only one that hopes this Hank and Marie shit doesn't continue like this for the whole season?

I wish they'd write Hank and Marie out of the series. They've been the weakest link of the entire series all four seasons.
 

purg3

slept with Malkin
Dan said:
Oh it would be utterly shocking if Jesse killing Gale doesn't reverberate in his character's psyche for the rest of the season, if not the series.

yeah, he doesn't have too good of a track record when it comes to any type of emotional trauma. the guy just falls apart.

B.K. said:
I wish they'd write Hank and Marie out of the series. They've been the weakest link of the entire series all four seasons.

I actually really like Hank, but if they are just going to leave him as a helpless, sour asshole, he should have just died in the twins attack. I hope they have some good plans for him though.
 
Persona7 said:
What was with the guy banging on the window at Sauls?


I wonder if that was a precursor to something.


I think saul is trying to distance himself from walt/gus/mike?
A typical clien? It was supposed to be a joke that his clientele are mostly drunk hillbillies and poor people--they don't even set appointments or call in, just walk in and be serviced
 
Cornballer said:
“Are you sure it will do the job?”
“Trust us.”


Also, what's up with this from the Onion A|V Club review?She had some work done in the off season?

That's what I read from another forum. I always liked the way she normally looked
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
B.K. said:
I wish they'd write Hank and Marie out of the series. They've been the weakest link of the entire series all four seasons.

I don't I always liked Hank's character. It will be a good moment to see him ever walk again.
 
If you pay attention to Victor as he starts to cook and talks to Walt a bit when Gus shows up, you can see Victor is cooking for his life. Last season and prior he was very calm all the time, just chillin' and watching.

I think he knew he could be fucked because he was spotted at the apartment and he failed with keeping tabs on then. He was trying to prove he was more useful than Walt. The way he spoke wasn't naturally confident as much as anxious.

That's one of the reasons I thought he was done for while watching it. I actually thought Mike was gonna cap him after his line about taking care of business, which he just meant calling up Gus but at the time I thought he was gonna just shoot him in the head.
 

Zeliard

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Dan said:
Oh it would be utterly shocking if Jesse killing Gale doesn't reverberate in his character's psyche for the rest of the season, if not the series.

I don't think they'll have Jesse back to using again to cope since they've already played that card, so we could see his Gale problem manifest itself in even worse ways.

purg3 said:
uh, better than being you know, dead. Maybe he'll get some more of that Marie action to cheer him up.

From his point of view though he's a former cop - and a pretty energetic one - who is now a paraplegic. There's no reason he should be happy about his state even if he is alive.

Eventually we'll probably get Hank in a wheelchair, and he's also bound to find out about Walt, so there are a few ways they can go there.
 
Black Mamba said:
If you pay attention to Victor as he starts to cook and talks to Walt a bit when Gus shows up, you can see Victor is cooking for his life. Last season and prior he was very calm all the time, just chillin' and watching.

I think he knew he could be fucked because he was spotted at the apartment and he failed with keeping tabs on then. He was trying to prove he was more useful than Walt. The way he spoke wasn't naturally confident as much as anxious.

That's one of the reasons I thought he was done for while watching it. I actually thought Mike was gonna cap him after his line about taking care of business, which he just meant calling up Gus but at the time I thought he was gonna just shoot him in the head.

Still never saw it coming. Look at his face when Gus shows up. He's completely, 100% "You guys are so fucked now. Watch my man work. He is going to demolish you fucking clowns. I honestly can't wait to see it. If I wasn't such a bad ass I'd probably do like a little dance but I'm gonna be cool while he clomps down these steps. You guys are so fucking in for it."

That was, in short, the look on his face.
 

daw840

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Holy shit....this thread exploded. 4 pages between noon and now. Fucking nuts.

OT: Great, great episode. Makes me so excited for the rest of this season.
 

KarmaCow

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purg3 said:
uh, better than being you know, dead. Maybe he'll get some more of that Marie action to cheer him up.

Hank is all about being in control and he needs Marie to take a shit. It's not surprising he's kinda broken up about it.
 

Zeliard

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Black Mamba said:
If you pay attention to Victor as he starts to cook and talks to Walt a bit when Gus shows up, you can see Victor is cooking for his life. Last season and prior he was very calm all the time, just chillin' and watching.

I think he knew he could be fucked because he was spotted at the apartment and he failed with keeping tabs on then. He was trying to prove he was more useful than Walt. The way he spoke wasn't naturally confident as much as anxious.

That's one of the reasons I thought he was done for while watching it. I actually thought Mike was gonna cap him after his line about taking care of business, which he just meant calling up Gus but at the time I thought he was gonna just shoot him in the head.

Yeah, Victor even gives Gus this knowing nod and smile when Gus comes in, as if to try and reassure himself. He knew he fucked up.
 
KarmaCow said:
Hank is all about being in control and he needs Marie to take a shit. It's not surprising he's kinda broken up about it.

I honestly hope he doesn't recover soon. It would be so disingenuous if he did. Dude got fucking wrecked and he has a long as shit road ahead of him. I'm not a fan of either of them, acting-wise to be honest, compared to the rest of the powerhouse cast, but I'd rather the show stay genuine then just write Hank into a fuckin' rocket sled or some shit.
 

purg3

slept with Malkin
KarmaCow said:
Hank is all about being in control and he needs Marie to take a shit. It's not surprising he's kinda broken up about it.

Like I said originally, I understand why he is the way he is. But that doesn't mean it makes for an interesting story line. I'm just not buying into it.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Still never saw it coming. Look at his face when Gus shows up. He's completely, 100% "You guys are so fucked now. Watch my man work. He is going to demolish you fucking clowns. I honestly can't wait to see it. If I wasn't such a bad ass I'd probably do like a little dance but I'm gonna be cool while he clomps down these steps. You guys are so fucking in for it."

That was, in short, the look on his face.

Perhaps he talked himself into his position. I'm watching the episode again (AMC is reairing it right now here) and he just seemed a bit worried. Gus is about to come into the scene, so I will pay attention to his face, again.

I just got that feeling once he started to cook that Gus was going to take him out because of how he seemed and him being spotted. Plus, no way Walt/Jesse dies now.
 
U2NUMB said:
So what does everyone make of Saul in this episode. Am I forgetting something at the end of season 3? He looked like he was ready to be taken in.

He was assisting Walt and Jesse. The only obvious thing he could be worried about was giving Mike some address for Jesse that was in Virginia or Vermont. He could probably talk his way out of it if confronted but he's such a paranoid weasel it must have prompted him to get a bodyguard. Then when Skylar tells him Walt is missing it made his paranoia worse.
 

Snuggles

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I got the impression that Mike was planning on whacking Victor as soon as he revealed he was at the crime scene. It didn't show his call with Gus, so I assumed it was part of that conversation. So I kinda saw it coming in the lab when he grabbed the box cutter, but the throat cut was so damn brutal.
 
Anyone think the notes are going to be what sets Hank on Walt?

I'm guessing Gomie will bring them to Hank and the detailed reports will reveal that only a chemist could cook with such intricacy and the fact the blue meth appears even after Gale's death means there must be another cook. That coupled with Walt's connection to Jessie, his failing marriage, and the fact he payed their medical bills should clue him in. At least I hope; Hank needs a purpose.
 
Black Mamba said:
Perhaps he talked himself into his position. I'm watching the episode again (AMC is reairing it right now here) and he just seemed a bit worried. Gus is about to come into the scene, so I will pay attention to his face, again.

I just got that feeling once he started to cook that Gus was going to take him out because of how he seemed and him being spotted. Plus, no way Walt/Jesse dies now.

I see where you're coming from, I just never thought someone was going to die. Especially the way Walt was waving his fingers around. I literally jumped into my couch every time he started waving his hands around.
 
HIGH DEF JEFF said:
He was assisting Walt and Jesse. The only obvious thing he could be worried about was giving Mike some address for Jesse that was in Virginia or Vermont. He could probably talk his way out of it if confronted but he's such a paranoid weasel it must have prompted him to get a bodyguard. Then when Skylar tells him Walt is missing it made his paranoia worse.

Don't forget Walt told him at the end of last season his office/car might be bugged, which was the result of Mike bugging Walt's house.

I see where you're coming from, I just never thought someone was going to die. Especially the way Walt was waving his fingers around. I literally jumped into my couch every time he started waving his hands around.

Yeah, no way Walt was getting mutilated. How could he possibly explain that?

There was potential for Jesse, however.

Haha, Walt's confidence about the aluminum. I love how Walt does so much talking in this scene and Gus says just 5 words.
 

U2NUMB

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HIGH DEF JEFF said:
He was assisting Walt and Jesse. The only obvious thing he could be worried about was giving Mike some address for Jesse that was in Virginia or Vermont. He could probably talk his way out of it if confronted but he's such a paranoid weasel it must have prompted him to get a bodyguard. Then when Skylar tells him Walt is missing it made his paranoia worse.


Oh yea.. that is right. He mislead mike with the address. Can not believe I forgot that. Thank you for the reminder!
 
Black Mamba said:
Don't forget Walt told him at the end of last season his office/car might be bugged, which was the result of Mike bugging Walt's house.
Yes. It was after they drove to meet Jesse at the laser tag place.
 
Snuggler said:
I got the impression that Mike was planning on whacking Victor as soon as he revealed he was at the crime scene. It didn't show his call with Gus, so I assumed it was part of that conversation. So I kinda saw it coming in the lab when he grabbed the box cutter, but the throat cut was so damn brutal.

I did think Mike was going to shoot Victor right there when he said "Let's get this over with."
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Zeliard said:
I don't think they'll have Jesse back to using again to cope since they've already played that card, so we could see his Gale problem manifest itself in even worse ways.
Sure, I don't really expect Jesse to just go down the same road as before. I'm just saying I don't believe for a second that his act of murder is going to be forgotten or not have a significant impact on him. That's just not how this show operates.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I did think Mike was going to shoot Victor right there when he said "Let's get this over with."

Okay, Victor just gave Gus a smile and look away like he was saying "see, I'm useful...oh god I hope he thinks I'm useful." My interpretation, at least.

Of course, this is all so hard to pick up on the 1st watch.

Now Victor is somewhat in the background, but he looks a bit shaky.

Victor much more confident in his challenge of Walt, though.
 

Zeliard

Member
BenjaminBirdie said:
TOtally disagree. See above.

Seems Victor thought at that point he had proven himself. He said he knew every ingredient and it was just a matter of following it through and seemed to genuinely believe so, and probably figured Gus agreed. Remember that part where Walt was banking on Victor forgetting the aluminum and then become concerned when he didn't? Presumably they showed us that to convey that Vic at least had the right ingredients and the correct order down, and that was clearly worrisome to Walt.

Dan said:
Sure, I don't really expect Jesse to just go down the same road as before. I'm just saying I don't believe for a second that his act of murder is going to be forgotten or not have a significant impact on him. That's just not how this show operates.

I agree, I was originally responding to your "unnervingly rational" line, I guess. He sounded so but the whole thing is definitely eating him up inside.
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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Just love how sullen Jesse is the whole time. It's like nothing at all is happening around him. Even though he's barely doing anything, it's great acting.
 
Man, Walt is all over the place during this rant - blames Gus for Gale, tries to protect Jesse, goes into the chemistry, goes off on Victor, tries to appeal to Gus as a businessman.
 

smokeymicpot

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Cornballer said:
Man, Walt is all over the place during this rant - blames Gus for Gale, tries to protect Jesse, goes into the chemistry, goes off on Victor, tries to appeal to Gus as a businessman.

Walt did not want to die at all. He was sure he was gonna die at that moment.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Walt did not want to die at all. He was sure he was gonna die at that moment.
It makes complete sense - I just find it remarkable how many different approaches he takes within such a short sequence.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Zeliard said:
I agree, I was originally responding to your "unnervingly rational" line, I guess. He sounded so but the whole thing is definitely eating him up inside.
Right, it's probably all surface. He's pushing everything else away, sort of in a state of shock, but this ordeal will hit him later.
 

UrokeJoe

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Black Mamba said:
What do you mean?

Love how Jesse instantly "gets it," and Walt becomes queasy and scared shitless.

The significance of it. Gus looked really hard for it, it opened the new business..
 
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